indicate to you
each student katie's starting off
i hope it without your conference so far it appears to be blood tests arrival
and very fine
day yesterday this is funny to me
heading out
pretty good overnight does not as many people as i might have guessed hanging
around outside
a pretty good
people wandering the streets in that
and i'm so far has been a very peaceful
conference
very responsible of the very important
try to keep that red wine
throughout uh... throughout the day
so i will be myself introduction here by that is great
anti cd running around a little bit of doing a few other things at the
conference um...
over the weekend
and managed to get talked
yesterday's dot handle and uh...
this talk actually is
separatism most overlap with the stuff we talk about yesterday
impetus for this talk really is
i see so much
very very
war
security
physical world
uh... just poorly implemented poorly thought out
we're related dialogue and i said well it would take a whole lot of just just
lose feedback
to really improve that
of course you have to
question while you're thinking about that well
babies it s on a_b_c_'s all worth it
to spend the extra effort spend the extra time
speak thing i wanted to address because we talk about the risks
cost-benefit analysis but they are a lot of addresses
what if we change our mindset
in the physical world
physical security or non computerized sense of security
to be where our minds already are
the computerized
because for the most part
weed out people in this room now
that security to obscurity
is not affected
allotments are
not even in the short run
in computer assistance
so as i said the impetus was looking at the best
security the physical world saying well
maybe we get decent restaurants a lot of fun to be transferred some physical
world computerized probative stopped
so this is actually
fairly simple idea
which i just described to you
but all work through some of the line
to be some samples some not some thoughts on that
and when it reshape your interviewees obv is that this just sounds completely
ridiculous because maybe they are going to happen
not picking up
where they should be more
and they they are good examples for or give them
concert that's all that
this is the world but
but i'll give you the argument that you can judge for yourself
to lay out my district maybe as i said i have now actually a fact
in the school of information
blackbird sign
at university
starting this month university of north carolina
had been there for about six years
i keep shop
dull thing still with information science elsa
course information security
i've done internet courses for a long time
sort of next moments
systems administration decent work
large-scale open source information people
search engines
or other countries
and no actually
slightly ahead
so long
what we're talking about a security obscurity
i think the most of the age to get to you
conference u_b_s_ securities through fsc here is that something that
document here
without
uh... one of the arguments
few minutes
for open-source software
we compare open-source selective
software notebooks
where you can see the source code
i would say well
in the open source
the airwaves security model is
by really anybody that wants to be told by experts
echo drive motivation desired skills
and if you don't have the source code
what we're doing is worse hearing
whatever the security problems are
making source code
oligarchy
security problems go away
securities your obscurity
is really something that that can work it so it does work
but in the short term
except it doesn't actually improve your your arm
involved all the different sizes tax call it does that makes it a tax
fourteen
we'll talk more about that
a little bit later on so he says it is a fairly competition
work for a lot of the uh...
we've got a false sense of security
security pacific both secret
therefore it's good
right now does this really
you know impact the actual
procedure that where you think
really talking about today
is making the procedure
so that in fact that it doesn't need to see
if works here we have a limited ability to verify its let's say and what leaves
a lot software examples but we're we're all going to do is make transfer train
let's see your company turbines software all they don't give you the source code
then you have
more difficulty if you want to do it code on it yet more difficulty trying to
access the bomber
that's estimated
here people have looked at photo for complex the sense that
i sent her a large tax
to look at
lifecodes operatives to solve it
they're the ones
point to you at the side
the vulnerability so it does happen sometime
but at the open birds the open source does help
more openings open standards
uh... you know
the discussions of the designs
and etc identity uh...
the boulder police who's gonna look for these all over the lease
if we have a serious issue
let's let's do it as one of us air bag system right back
altogether bring the money in an hour
and security guards and stuff like that
all of it or not
but it's really saying that all of the everything the way the combination to
the bank of security guards home
home address work schedule and stuff
should be open for screaming about it and say this
that baby secrecy should be a part of our
let's think of the bank
who is a display study dot banget tribe discover their vulnerabilities
all you know it is a bottom it says
and uh... yeah okay
peaks or whatever
that he would be worried out of trouble sprite
whatever's exterior
someone just i want you didn't hear back in business
polyethylene nearly six years and i want to spend the effort
you know one incident
so that's where the obscurity doesn't
doesn't get you much-ballyhooed
so you can be a good
of security model
but ask yourself i don't think there's not much for you
when things are a lot of doctor saheb
problems like this morning
his notion of the insider
in everything from banks and businesses torn stuff like that because the world
coming here about this without these
airport security and stuff like that is the inside of someone else
knows
bought some news
penetrated the obscurity
often the person who's the perpetrator in america and all
retirees are not supposed to be doing
the outsider has difficulty in unveiling
that obscurity
the insider has previously villains here
so once again we have this tell you
industry doesn't help us
really that situation what would rather have
process
in which
about
almost everything you ever think about how the system works
doesn't make the process of the week
if that's the case you got something process
will mentioned uh... bandage dr congo crypto
bassett crypto
indian crypto
you don't have security
until your procedure has been examined
very very closely
and even then the trip to experts millions of dollars
doorbell wants a hundred percent does it all seems pretty good
it over there might be other things we have
uh... discovered
so i got the better
when someone physically
too doesn't it doesn't
obscurity and
uh... purposes dot com things
we have a lock the keypad here of course that
issue katie might
uh... but know that a lot picking at a stupid you
is less
then the lock picking presidents at cal two thousand
across the pond
fights goes that is
exactly exactly you're not even allowed to owned lock picking tools incident
some situations economics on situation can
well it would be a sport here to view could do it right
so on
but uh... i don't want smaller presence they and we actually spoken smile that
this is a reprieve the brutal octopi
that was an alibi that age to get used to be back here page to take two
they were interested in sitting around showing people how to do stuff player
also concerned about because they have
there's often a fine
kind of fear
between was
it did not bad
on premises is that what has happened
the idea that
that cell phones
and instead have cell phones which are
recently secured insulin more secure like that happens that yes outcomes
history making a legal issue of operated spam
or to purchase them
u_s_ except the cell phone three
right and the people at it
if the people i'd like to stop what should people and what he had some sort
of criminal intent to some sort of malicious intent
or a person wants that
it gets down from overseas
that that was there
stores of course palm i think are are pretty common
where you know that there's probably some watching
to make sure you don't steal stuff
we don't really know those cameras on their tactic you might have in mind
aren't stuff up
dom we'll see
i bring us towards a couple times but will see that
a lot of times there's this
cost-benefit
yes we can cut taxes every single state controversy politeness to work
we can make sure we have several cameras security people at the door
check your bags stuff like that
we can do this and some stories that you electron source pearce-lance
there's a possible see what's going on
not only cut the cost of the personnel and equipment to run that type of system
but also the cost of
you know i said in the person that's your occupation
so
so we'll talk about cost-benefit tradeoffs and i think that in stores is
there's often rinpoches
at least up
purposes that would make some plans
that we can do better
brocade level lost work for
are air force yourself no break and even acts
a lot of time
questions simple questions like
can this go on playing
because i have to do it and find out
all and i thank you
record i credit reports that the direction
under it
easy to pick them up
because they'd surely be such a
workshop
of on
of meeting
the needs when we'd like to have these things are here
the uh... the risk is so high
the costs are ready to sell high in terms of inconvenience during some point
that
that exchange for all that effort
we should have a very high level of security
and act as we know
it's not so good
okay that's salutes you getting it
papa example with
with the uh... conference to just examples of where i think uh...
uh... there's is there's a strong obscure component to the basics
what we have to secure
so we wanted systems more secure or try to talk about on digital systems a
little bit more digital examples
and we'd like a bunch of different things and
keywords verification trust one-half
on some sort of data integrity or verify ability
we want to have not heard creation
are legion
digital world
is uh... about
judicial signatures and stuff like that
but again you have a lot world in the the physical world we'd say hey
that you were you were into
times you wonder why not
and dinosaurs were feature that's fine
reassure ourselves everything
an example of your although security people are in this audience apply
familiar with the d_o_d_ orange book via
thing that gives the ratings of that and see if you would see one detour
the one so forth
for our security
clearances are securities or authorizations
of jesus
and that's now of course for you update me up talk tickets today
with the uh... open-source security model and excited about the kinds
we need better models processing judicial system
but he went on to something that you you're unlikely to breath
well they have their basically
something where the effort for the cost goes up
and security goes up
and people are interested in the system will say that about me
uh... organization or a school of business
and say all right
as i go out this feeling dot
more more security in the orange book levels were routinely
text since it's a used to
greater security
of my cost a lot because it costs were right i might have to have been peace
carrie personnel
the actual software hardware might cost more
i dedicate more my part
disk space itself today
at a higher levels
as he made a decision resistance worthwhile
and actually let me mention because at the top of the worked with a lot of
people on bizarre citizens of this error when i first saw
is the a levels
and that the a level
what happens is you have arm
uh... what they call a watchable proof
that there is security
so it's not that it's uh... ah shards but it's not that someone tells me this
is ok
is that you can actually sit down with a you know a lot of system
that model
about that exceeds
vacation stuff
or or some other benefit
and prove to yourself
what you don't want to happen
so we do have some pretty good models and i think to release a very good
models of the spirit world
did visual world visual site
for processing
spirit
uh... as i said i'll ask your systems that are like me
allah stronger through their security
there'd need possibly
more difficult to more time-consuming
probable politically although it is all there
in most cases
and i think what i'll do as a little bit of a a hard line to make but but we're
going to talk about superseded dvd worthwhile
a security guard
and on the other hand saying obscurity there's a problem
and of course experience secrecy are
rpm really upset
the same thing to stop
aberration villains disdain
but uh...
i think the idea
is your procedure in place instead secrecy fits in with the whole procedure
you can assure yourself that yes this is good
verses do you have really no insurance advisor procedure and all we can do is
open or finds out every secrets
so i hope that's that's not too difficult to uh... to use those two
words they're but i think it's a
is not realistic
possibly alternative courses something like we have an open source uh...
unscrewed
body
personnel
individuals
papi yes
really anybody might be able to find a vulnerability
yes in the trigger world
a lot of time the cryptology side of that looking at
out of the stuff like that
they're pretty highly trained uh... i a lot of mathematics
shot back
ob gyn might work in teams involved seizures
so these are real professionals experts
but that doesn't mean better not personal not expert couldn't find
problems wells related
computer labs in here
uh... you know people on some level of expertise but they're not
you know they're not
that's a professional's people that would be
contracting out of hired to do a securities that's been so i think more
more than ever
more people are looking at
maranda back as i said it might be transferred to retire
outmoded alarms but the sources crypto
and down
and uh... as i said that the more the merrier for doing so
this examination
and so question you might ask at this point as well get over red rock with
obscurity
armies that fought say they are
trying to say
obscurity itself is not enough because the people that you really want prevent
other people are going to be able to work towards that
especially insiders
especially your
his intruders
fraught makers whether it is a you're really trying to keep out of the
security
uh... that we have more people working what what we hear all the time to read
by the track meet slashdot digital world
at all times in your book
and there's no extra step of it
and people with source code hostile you asap
actually people of the source code hustle
you get out how to fix that you've got a quite right
and by the time people are exploiting
that security hole
people he said that when i'm paul
are able to get them to get access to your
in the obscure world
we might be faced with god nobody being able to identify involved
who is waiting to happen acted we helped me capability without the explains
because a person that works for the obscurity by
and of course that the other ideas
uh... visual began throughout source code however liquidation
dash something since the open-source
so this is where we think the open-source
where does your security
uh... advice
to be learned from
so more people
will grow up
foresee any problems
and mike
tension always actor
but very large
percentage of
with the skills the interest
and so forth to engage in
at new england
dot maybe possibly healthy
yuppie possibly healthy skepticism
and stuff like that
but out by the people in this room that five or italy or not
in my opinion
and my experience very likely
to be the people that go to bed
you're trying to go on saturday
target cells find decent
and yes there are some
but as a percentage of bus antiquated send is one of the general public
probably not right so if the percentages
wave in favor of people that have no one wants
you're really interested they're discovers being useful and candid
that were coming out ahead
they were coming out ahead
as i say that people with ill intent
are are going to work hard
so it was or software
uh... as we know
sometimes open-source software as they saw open standards so we can actually
look at them
adulterous office would find them
and if we had a source code
could also do a drop of doing testing
if want to enforce it
that situation but if you want to go ahead set up a more formal test
of that
but that's awful
and we actually see happening
yet the types of companies and individuals
as as i say i i think it was pretty well
the committee's these couple of other uh...
except when we don't miss a thing and bought a small print there which is that
the entire
number bucks in software
statistically is more or less consistant
with the ont-size
this is just something
computer scientist at work too
mathematical models of work pretty well
they've done curable you know measurements of
number bugs
and what we're talking about
uh... rusty nails something like one of my profound
novels but savimbi security related or something to be processed related
you know caught some sort of
uh... malfunction cost
sedona security about
but if we talk about on the average us tonight want but the thousand lines but
thats
through the evaluation
theory by professional
that if we have
thousands or millions of lines of code which we do
the complex software systems
we're talking about thousands of players
thousands of bucks okay
those thousands of bugs are going to be there complex opp operating system
well we don't get the source code
they're going to be there
unix operating system internals
or we can get source
the differences how we all have also other look at them
and also force was to proceed
now there are ways to follow up on a little bit there are ways to decrease
the number of books
decreasing bugs used three tests
to set up a a a
basically regression
sweet where you make changes to the code
you've got all your test to make sure you pass health that's what happens to
be tereko gmail
benefits one bug
you create a radio covered up
so it's not good enough to you
run the test
fixing bugs you can't
and ship the products that being said
statements remain
it better procedure is right here testing cycle drug test
the sexism
and maybe do this war of words might
we very complex systems
you are suddenly unable q test everything you need to test
your resolve period of time
and pick up the expensive
she would look at the output of the test decide what to do with the site design
young fixes to solve these problems like serious especially in europe
erations
and improve things so terribly happy about
of understanding from companies like but software boats that
it's not a big software
is so
they do a few erations
three four five
what happens with the bugs
is there is lots of it
updates as they sit talking ever get rid of all
period that you never claimed the cotton ball acceptance of lots of soccer
systems
and as you keep falling
you keep getting rid of world war two points
accept this mission returns
the problems
of course that's a cut off right uh... this is this is an acceptable
coffeehouse
i think my bottle eliminated some
eighty or ninety percent
started this process
the problem is
you know what software system that will take a look at it for soviet bloc
this could be of service
maybe more
history
so
so you can do u testing to get that was errors down
but could never be able to make sure
begets more expensive seventy so far
open-source
you carry out that quite ubiquitous a problem that will be another problem
that you might not have the same infrastructure doing
obstruction estimates
however
how much progress with it going
to go through the bob
so we c_e_o_ software like
ambivalence colonel charlie
yes why
it releases and saying
with what about fences so we see it a lot of effort
releases
i think this would work just fine
jackpot
possibly work better
because they had software system
you might have billions or
complex operating system
into a store
you know we talked
ten twenty percent
different you know
to me it's a much more practical problem
and you could actually have
we'd solution
software
on accomplices
assurance ever really
that is fine
uh... secretary mentioned trip there already
uh... with crypto
you have no security
at least as far as the critical
communities concern maybe within
visa retrieved
decisions right but as far as the crypto
experts are concerned
you don't have to do with her and recruiting
until your process
probably our algorithms endure
and the outcome of your doubts this is an expert's analysis of that hundred
has been exam
closely by experts
if you go to read any literature books pick up like to talk to you by shire
or are
they'd look through some of the uh...
publication picked up
people still wonder criticisms that use
for thirty years
anyhow
undiscovered
problems every once in while they discover one
i like the one
uh... we heard that job problem pgp
a little while ago pgp adolescence my pap yesterday pgp pretty good privacy
and kids are system
email files and so forth
is not as pretty good it's really really good because it's been excessively
revived started out pretty
a pretty good
called the culprit yet right
but what it said that this person
patient pgp
very serious plots
but it's gone through you know something like twenty years revisions to me
and yet
this year
art there was a serious problem
that wasn't covered
the whole thing exactly
the whole thing dot blotting
surrender
parents recruiter trip produced by michael their careers at all of your
question
yet what is basically the ethical system because we are americans and the
implementation of the other the might be sad
there might be something else going on
and apparently yesterday we talked about the uh...
the fact that dr
windows system you have anything that's
invulnerable
sorry intolerable
in windows system to cope with in addition to your own self
our children
all right
uh... i'm still not only about the are consistent with the criticism
and so too
years ago that was the clipper chip in particular
and it was a shared with me in fact uh... they had to leave viewers look at
the algorithm
and even as a ship since they were given enough time
but uh... but was moved to texas
yet review review review itself
enough time to do the review
and ongoing review because up
improved over and i think this would this happen
go across the board
is uh... you know
people's you got my faith in god
note that the club
yes iraq i personally think that that uh... that it's usually have crypto
there
uh... pgp
uh... software that's just got better and better and better
it's really easy to use your daughter
junkets we can talk about
but uh... as far as
by than you think
good examples of things that p_c_p_ is supposed to be made
we think it's not able to
are we able to
passages
it steps up to get a test
uh... allotted on twitter com i wanted to mention
a book that yesterday
you're interested
redeployed photography but
regardless of
any of your interest must read secrets and lots
is now standing but
website starts out with
in that book
for the press
he says
his
thought when you look like the park
the closest thing we have to buy votes
who won close to one of one of the few books and intelligence up there
what he said was that he thought crypto was the answer
and it turned out that there was only part of the
and you have to look at the whole order system
luggage tried to do
with security mess with the book is about
schematic
actually presents
applied for copies of the classified pensioner
and secrets and lies visits to your book i think it's
because of two thousand
are released
her its
mike boorda was line
what
property
writes that since property reports
i sound like he doesn't represent what size bottles are owned by love to talk
first
it's more like
the bible of people of one of the sailor
yeah thanks as ever
okay so whatever the public trust me
i did not come up with what time
in twenty dollars
whatever dollar bills coming up
we saw some newspaper article said what old security procedures
i didn't see that
and told it was done
about thinking of a lot of examples ob and i want to help me to try to press on
we have tonight uh... robert skills of the song last night on
are he's going to
at nine o'clock
public several
spots you know
is uh... an expat
he's got all this inside information
ekeus fighting his life's mission yes institute yet
books he's talking here's socket
is to say
government it specially but the other agencies businesses as well
that secret
effective
too costly
too difficult
and evro
really utilize
the vast majority of cases he's not saying shit you know secrecy
he's saying is way way too much secrecy it's possible see what it is not the
effectiveness create problem
and so forth that successful
install argument
so he's out
he's a big proponent
decreasing obscurity
indivisible
respond
procedures
agencies and things like that
okay so this is applied here right
one route towards the hope of reviewers
like an open source i model
of uh... security agency
this world
as i say that for all the other
official qualified people do it which
for some reason might be appropriate
uh... that losing out
and uh... as a
that same secure dot cc might be a
and as i've been saying
any results basically
janet's life here is
thus up up and talk about
digital read-out
this program
and this is shire slide
okay this is this not exactly advances were less type of uh...
seizure grassroots secrets and lies
he says
it's a system
it's a security system
it's a system that exists in time
space is a system that interacts with some outside barber
this is an active waldholtz people
communication
things like that just begun
hardware and software
and uh... so i think this works really well for the
of our coordinator soulless what could go wrong
one of the things were worried about
what are we trying to protect
of what is a procedure that we have
uh... as i said i think that uh... today yet but try not to buy a report airports
know what cedras lifetime
or changes certainly can't find out
and i'm just last week i call the shots bt airline safety tips
okay bring this out playing
there was no answer forthcoming
there wasn't a yes or no it's just that you know it was here's what you're
allowed to do and and
at interpretation of what's allows up to that
where the perception over after that
plane someone x right back
the content of the last important because there are costly expert
you might want to do backer costs involved setting up the whole security
process
and at some point by what's that about
but nothing else is this looks pretty good pretty good stuff
always start talks about a whole lot
i think people about
marxist dance traders that her out getting packers tools
on here's isn't
think like the person trying to break a nuisance
try to use of the samples
we actually see that's about the airports
undercover floats through
ought to see if they could bypass procedures
this would be great
they were getting better at
not be able to bypass that
still has a lot of problems
to insist on steroids getting out there
repeated just like i said
reduced number of
about sourcebook
uh... so restore what are the risks with players got some stuff about customers
for that
repeat what we have
poppies curie people generally
employees we have no
you know we have contractors mike
compile-time
was a procedure that we got got countless cargo was right or would not
want to do that
apart that's telephones here and there was a little bit of change
until we get ready
things like that
were you talked to know what it was being sold
who lost his job
that were worried about
i like the others might just be despaired catherine sir
expensive items or what
our inventory doesn't seem to match we don't really know what's what
and all those things are going on
what we do a street maps and stuff
that my dress of those problems
what's assess how well
intended solution
my dress
sort of reality check
and im go ahead
come up with the details
deployed some
some reasonable time scale denial once
and uh... i know they say
if you're not a value
expiry system
might be good
right might not be good and i hope weightier is and i i don't know the
media stories is really
in need of putting up their whole procedure
on uh... people six people to know
it's a walk-in
might work for
if part of it is
to stick it out
yeltsin's that got the side that says
people we have tactics
process was actually do
i think that might help
but i think the
get their procedure allen therefore sleeping on their website
conference in a trade show
uh... you know what happened with consultants
let's talk about other one uh...
the deal here
we thank you katie
as i said i was involved with the uh... planet
conference
and what they can do is fairly early on
was that as one of the fires
had no idea
shirts securities firms
i realized earlier
right
and when things were worried about these cards are actually pretty good reports
making something that looks like this and that has been sold fifty dollar bill
this is what gets me
soho
so in that procedure
there's uh... and the whole sources said there
there was about who secrecy component
that was effective
the main reason it was effective
it's finally
what we were basically saying
by keeping secrets all no thursday night friday
what particular colors itself it's that white wine
forts to save himself at the box might possibly sell
get told friends
possibly create a revenue problem
if we just keep it secret teleconference
uh... i don't want that pays out fighting haven't sent it
i want to do this
and there's only one or two days
friends with that
so that's where it is the secrecy worked
barbara
for example
but we think secrecy work
on top of the bases as part of our security bob
address that issue
to sketch expected
colors with teachers
that we did not become a lot of public scrutiny for this
ob gyn think that if i would be perfectly appropriate
we got us out under pollack mailing list for more scrutiny
we didn't do as far as of now
we might have identified
interest in it
they probably would have had some some pretty good
uh... as it was it was at least um...
uh... the scrutiny of the uh...
or trying to come up with it
singers
okay so we don't have a security challenges we know that
things like security guards of cameras are physical stuff
might be more possibly an
uh... more costly to scale
possible additional sisterhood
and of course we also down
and i've argued
you know through out here
that i think that's about reviewing security process in different places
we have the web
we don't have to have
no posters and walk through
of astonishment seemed to uh...
you know to get some feedback that might help
our webpage for for us to work
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people have stuffing
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students say they are
to reiterate party insiders are often the biggest risk even personal security
dextrous
on in the physical world
uh... overhearing is about all the stuff
white-collar criminals stealing billions and billions from
stockholders of companies
i would be that they were inside
they were not sent
tickets to be
might even see coming out of all of the house
uh... and on and follow along
might see something like some public scrutiny
sumter county south
soledad a bridge between the visible
visual world dispersal counted sounds like fun
and yet where you can four
goods and services
so uh... so that's just my stride
do this uh... let's split c_e_o_ suggest
we can't even be about seizure work
adapting
some of what we have
indiana
due to the world that's really think work very well
t_v_ out here
that we have
better security in our physical realm
very big pink
in our last about six or eight months
he keeps the program
lose about this
so that's why i by email
my personal webpage
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expanding network television
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we have are probably about five minutes for questions of what we like to ask
sports the packers
if you have one at the keepers for a little bit more
and if there are no questions we can properly
i think we're going to have a little children
secrecy stirred
i'd like to see
i don't know of any kind of good
uh... security system doesn't bounce internship secret
you you've got to have similar ones are a lot of some visualizer object that is
not something that that nobody else is that no except
two-thirds of the dayton today
um... but then obscurity isn't it
it's perhaps a different
the fact that secret sucks
is being skewered
and uh... but in a series of
david litchfield came up with
box office tools
just a simple uh... password pastel cracker packed at g_t_o_
and when he discovered was that they
lucas alternative
but that wasn't done
what you had with him
souls were not
large enough in the certainly weren't rent
your you handed the very bleak
so that obscurity it seems to be the effort
to provide some of them are already out how bad something it's great secret
itself has got to be there absolute
uh... basil attitude
people are always using
obscurity in secrecy interchangeable
use these very difficult to speed up
star quality
yeah i mean i i think that's what it means is that huh
well you know this is what i said i don't think roe versus wade one zero
zero so to argument at all
and you wanted to see to it
and i think one distinctions that's fairly easy to make
is whatever
mihir data
once a year
obscuring data
or information
really talked about seizure
there are only i think
advanced skills are
some cases where there needs to be an element of secrecy to your procedure
expects a trip to the people off
if you don't want
process
effective
peeps in town
if you are the system
doesn't survive
people going
uh... where the cameras are your sister mrs
right and i would like to use it
situation
sophocles
if it works
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secrets out of
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basically correct you're sustaining missions trip
basically you see the explanation
meet source code
i think one of things now
keeping in mind that's political
it's a lot of
it's to someone
uh... basically
he probably
eat interferes with their business model
intel and microsoft and its or school
lots of company
anta mindset and i think that it was the last i think that there are some things
that means you don't use it
really believed it was
potentially about the civil
still provide words companies
you change your consistently
until support will have been told me
weapons
i think this is that i i'm absolutely
agree with you but i think in the physical world
it's not quite that much is it
could be bought himself
in those cases
but you're usually make your own security
so i think it actually there is some
they don't necessarily need a trade-off
cider higher independent
they don't necessarily have to say well
under close doors are open source said
darkness at that point
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