1 00:00:16,218 --> 00:00:21,655 how you doing? 2 00:00:21,657 --> 00:00:22,923 thank you very much. 3 00:00:22,925 --> 00:00:25,592 how are you? 4 00:00:25,594 --> 00:00:28,896 thank you very much. 5 00:00:28,898 --> 00:00:32,400 people -- thank you. 6 00:00:32,402 --> 00:00:33,600 what a crowd. 7 00:00:33,602 --> 00:00:37,471 oh, my gosh, what a crowd. 8 00:00:37,473 --> 00:00:38,972 all right, listen to this. 9 00:00:38,974 --> 00:00:39,606 thank you. 10 00:00:39,608 --> 00:00:40,341 ok, ok. 11 00:00:40,343 --> 00:00:41,875 all right, all right. 12 00:00:41,877 --> 00:00:42,243 thank you. 13 00:00:42,245 --> 00:00:45,446 i appreciate that so much. 14 00:00:45,448 --> 00:00:47,014 wow. 15 00:00:47,016 --> 00:00:50,518 [cheers] 16 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:55,789 bill: you -- you must be out- of-towners. 17 00:00:55,791 --> 00:00:59,026 is that what it is? 18 00:00:59,028 --> 00:01:01,295 please, help yourself to some fire. 19 00:01:01,297 --> 00:01:01,728 we have plenty. 20 00:01:01,730 --> 00:01:06,333 you go to vermont and you get maple syrup. 21 00:01:06,335 --> 00:01:10,037 you come here, take home a little fire. 22 00:01:10,039 --> 00:01:12,706 we're always weather conscious here in california. 23 00:01:12,708 --> 00:01:17,945 they said today, this is the big news out here -- el nino is 24 00:01:17,947 --> 00:01:23,184 coming and they say it might end our four-year drought. 25 00:01:23,186 --> 00:01:29,656 of course, jaded californians went oh, great, rain. 26 00:01:29,658 --> 00:01:32,626 we are begging el nino to hit us. 27 00:01:32,628 --> 00:01:34,962 that is what it has come. 28 00:01:34,964 --> 00:01:38,899 to we are praying for one weather disaster to save us from 29 00:01:38,901 --> 00:01:41,068 the other weather disaster and we need it. 30 00:01:41,070 --> 00:01:43,270 as if we don't have enough problems. 31 00:01:43,272 --> 00:01:46,474 you know, we get some of our water, the little that's left 32 00:01:46,476 --> 00:01:50,978 from the colorado river and the e.p.a., did you see that this week? 33 00:01:50,980 --> 00:01:57,818 the e.p.a. spilled three million gallons of acid mine sludge into the river. 34 00:01:57,820 --> 00:02:00,053 turned the river yellow and toxic. 35 00:02:00,055 --> 00:02:05,159 it's a huge screw-up but donald trump said it gave him a great 36 00:02:05,161 --> 00:02:09,196 idea how to keep mexicans from crossing the rio grande. 37 00:02:09,198 --> 00:02:13,567 so -- [applause] 38 00:02:13,569 --> 00:02:19,773 i mean, when are we going to start cherishing this planet a little bit? 39 00:02:19,775 --> 00:02:24,044 did you see the explosions in china yesterday? 40 00:02:24,046 --> 00:02:30,351 to massive explosions at a giant hazardous chemical warehouse. 41 00:02:30,353 --> 00:02:34,421 those hazard rouse -- hazardous chemicals were destined to come 42 00:02:34,423 --> 00:02:39,059 here and make your kids' toys shinier and your doritos taste 43 00:02:39,061 --> 00:02:44,698 great so that's -- but they said -- the explosion, it happened at night. 44 00:02:44,700 --> 00:02:49,637 was so big it made the night sky look like day in china, between 45 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:53,807 the explosions make the night look like day and the pollution 46 00:02:53,809 --> 00:02:58,612 making the day look like night, it's a wonder these people get to sleep at all. 47 00:02:58,614 --> 00:02:59,613 [applause] 48 00:02:59,615 --> 00:03:03,750 but how about -- how about some good foreign news? 49 00:03:03,752 --> 00:03:10,991 today we raised the midwestern flag in cuba for the first time. 50 00:03:10,993 --> 00:03:11,292 [applause] 51 00:03:11,294 --> 00:03:13,760 oh, for like 60 years. 52 00:03:13,762 --> 00:03:18,499 yes, after our fabulous 55-year diplomatic strategy of we're not 53 00:03:18,501 --> 00:03:22,002 talking to you. 54 00:03:22,004 --> 00:03:27,541 john kerry went there and opened an american ambassador in cuba. 55 00:03:27,543 --> 00:03:32,746 because he said, look, for too long cuban people have been 56 00:03:32,748 --> 00:03:35,416 deprived of first of all, american tourists. 57 00:03:35,418 --> 00:03:38,552 hey, cubans. 58 00:03:38,554 --> 00:03:42,323 fat, white people trying to dance to salsa music. 59 00:03:42,325 --> 00:03:45,259 you're going to love us, let me tell you. 60 00:03:45,261 --> 00:03:47,228 [applause] 61 00:03:47,230 --> 00:03:51,865 but, you know -- other than marco rubio and a few old cubans 62 00:03:51,867 --> 00:03:55,869 in miami, nobody gives a shit. 63 00:03:55,871 --> 00:03:59,607 worrying about castro at this point is look worrying about 64 00:03:59,609 --> 00:04:02,509 bobby jindal's presidential campaign. 65 00:04:02,511 --> 00:04:11,352 yes, it's down there somewhere but does it matter? 66 00:04:11,354 --> 00:04:15,456 well, that brings me to the presidential campaign and i'm 67 00:04:15,458 --> 00:04:17,324 certainly glad something did the. 68 00:04:17,326 --> 00:04:19,727 today was the big iowa state fair. 69 00:04:19,729 --> 00:04:22,996 all the candidates -- iowa? 70 00:04:22,998 --> 00:04:25,132 you're glad you're here with the fire. 71 00:04:25,134 --> 00:04:26,099 no, i love iowa. 72 00:04:26,101 --> 00:04:27,968 but all the candidates were there. 73 00:04:27,970 --> 00:04:29,436 this is true. 74 00:04:29,438 --> 00:04:33,274 donald trump flew in on his private helicopter and wanted, 75 00:04:33,276 --> 00:04:36,710 offered, to give free helicopter rides to the kids. 76 00:04:36,712 --> 00:04:37,311 that's true. 77 00:04:37,313 --> 00:04:42,182 i mean, as another -- how do you compete with that? 78 00:04:42,184 --> 00:04:43,350 seriously? 79 00:04:43,352 --> 00:04:44,251 chris christie tried. 80 00:04:44,253 --> 00:04:47,187 he offered to be the bouncy house. 81 00:04:47,189 --> 00:04:48,221 [applause] 82 00:04:48,223 --> 00:04:53,894 yeah. 83 00:04:53,896 --> 00:04:57,531 trump said today he had a plan to defeat isis. 84 00:04:57,533 --> 00:05:03,637 i would laugh except his plan to defeat fox news worked. 85 00:05:03,639 --> 00:05:05,172 it's interesting. 86 00:05:05,174 --> 00:05:10,377 every week, donald trump says something crazy, insane, 87 00:05:10,379 --> 00:05:12,846 outlandish and everybody goes oh, that's it. 88 00:05:12,848 --> 00:05:15,516 that's his downfall and then he's fine. 89 00:05:15,518 --> 00:05:17,618 he's like godzilla. 90 00:05:17,620 --> 00:05:28,929 everything they throw at the monster makes him stronger. 91 00:05:28,931 --> 00:05:32,999 people thought last week that after the debate performance trump would go away. 92 00:05:33,001 --> 00:05:34,668 you're so kill -- silly. 93 00:05:34,670 --> 00:05:36,770 you were watching the debate with your brain. 94 00:05:36,772 --> 00:05:40,574 to understand the republican mindset, you have to watch it with your balls. 95 00:05:40,576 --> 00:05:46,046 when donald trump says i will make china behave, the brain goes what? 96 00:05:46,048 --> 00:05:48,982 and the balls go damn straight. 97 00:05:48,984 --> 00:06:00,394 it is about time somebody said that about -- [applause] 98 00:06:00,396 --> 00:06:03,831 bill: got to give trump credit for this. 99 00:06:03,833 --> 00:06:05,632 no tell prompter. 100 00:06:05,634 --> 00:06:09,336 he just pulls -- teleprompter. 101 00:06:09,338 --> 00:06:12,105 he just pulls it out of his whatever. 102 00:06:12,107 --> 00:06:13,106 you saw that? 103 00:06:13,108 --> 00:06:13,306 yes. 104 00:06:13,308 --> 00:06:16,977 this is the latest scandal. 105 00:06:16,979 --> 00:06:17,511 periodgate. 106 00:06:17,513 --> 00:06:22,583 he was mad at megyn kelly for asking him rough questions at 107 00:06:22,585 --> 00:06:27,954 the debate and he implied that she was being mean to him 108 00:06:27,956 --> 00:06:30,323 because she was menstruating. 109 00:06:30,325 --> 00:06:35,629 he said she had blood coming out of her eyes, she had blood 110 00:06:35,631 --> 00:06:38,064 coming out of her whatever. 111 00:06:38,066 --> 00:06:43,136 what could he have meant, stigmat a? 112 00:06:43,138 --> 00:06:46,339 yes, she's like our lord and savior. 113 00:06:46,341 --> 00:06:50,176 fox, who was trying to destroy donald trump, they said it's 114 00:06:50,178 --> 00:06:54,715 very important that we defend megyn kelly, take a principled 115 00:06:54,717 --> 00:06:56,683 stand, protect our beloved employee. 116 00:06:56,685 --> 00:06:59,720 then they looked at the ratings from the debate with donald 117 00:06:59,722 --> 00:07:04,991 trump and they were like maybe megyn was on the rag, you know 118 00:07:04,993 --> 00:07:11,398 -- and trump said, trying to recover, trump said he's open to 119 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:12,733 having a female vice president. 120 00:07:12,735 --> 00:07:17,337 i mean, minus those few days when they're a little crazy. 121 00:07:17,339 --> 00:07:18,672 you're a great crowd. 122 00:07:18,674 --> 00:07:21,675 we have a great show. 123 00:07:21,677 --> 00:07:23,109 jennifer granholm, lawrence wilkerson, and doug heye are 124 00:07:23,111 --> 00:07:29,049 here, and a little later we'll be speaking with hip-hop veteran talib kweli. 125 00:07:29,051 --> 00:07:31,985 [applause] 126 00:07:31,987 --> 00:07:35,756 but first, she's the author of "dead man walking" and "the 127 00:07:35,758 --> 00:07:43,296 death of innocents: an eyewitness account of wrongful executions." 128 00:07:43,298 --> 00:07:45,365 please welcome sister helen prejean. 129 00:07:45,367 --> 00:07:49,169 hey, sister, how are you? 130 00:07:49,171 --> 00:07:51,104 sister prejean: love the energy. 131 00:07:51,106 --> 00:07:54,508 bill: oh, thank you very much. 132 00:07:54,510 --> 00:07:56,877 oh, i'm sorry. 133 00:07:56,879 --> 00:07:59,212 sister prejean: no, you're not. 134 00:07:59,214 --> 00:08:05,853 bill: you sound just like the nuns i had as a child. 135 00:08:05,855 --> 00:08:09,155 sister prejean: i won't rap you with a ruler or anything. 136 00:08:09,157 --> 00:08:12,392 bill: i wanted to talk to you about that. 137 00:08:12,394 --> 00:08:14,695 i went to catechism. 138 00:08:14,697 --> 00:08:16,830 obviously it really didn't take. 139 00:08:16,832 --> 00:08:22,803 but i went to catechism before church on sunday where we had 140 00:08:22,805 --> 00:08:26,940 catholic instruction and the nuns were pretty mean. 141 00:08:26,942 --> 00:08:29,209 i'm sorry to say. 142 00:08:29,211 --> 00:08:36,116 sister prejean: i'm very hard to -- sorry to hear that. we had 143 00:08:36,118 --> 00:08:39,753 susan sarandon do "dead man walking." 144 00:08:39,755 --> 00:08:40,687 another day. 145 00:08:40,689 --> 00:08:41,021 another day. 146 00:08:41,023 --> 00:08:43,256 bill: we have a new pope. 147 00:08:43,258 --> 00:08:47,427 not just new con logically but a new kind of pope. 148 00:08:47,429 --> 00:08:48,461 sister prejean: we do. 149 00:08:48,463 --> 00:08:51,464 bill: they always say that organizations take their cue 150 00:08:51,466 --> 00:08:53,600 from the person at the top. 151 00:08:53,602 --> 00:08:58,872 and since we have such a more tolerant pope, do you think it 152 00:08:58,874 --> 00:09:02,009 makes the nuns less mean? 153 00:09:02,011 --> 00:09:05,612 sister prejean: if you nofse what pope francis says about 154 00:09:05,614 --> 00:09:08,015 nuns, he's there with us. 155 00:09:08,017 --> 00:09:13,887 and it was the vatican that said we were radical feminists or something. 156 00:09:13,889 --> 00:09:18,926 all we try to do is social justice and live the gospel -- 157 00:09:18,928 --> 00:09:23,196 pope francis is for nuns' 158 00:09:23,198 --> 00:09:24,097 redemption. 159 00:09:24,099 --> 00:09:24,364 really. 160 00:09:24,366 --> 00:09:24,665 [applause] 161 00:09:24,833 --> 00:09:28,035 bill: yes, and he's talking about divorced people being able 162 00:09:28,037 --> 00:09:30,938 to take confession again. 163 00:09:30,940 --> 00:09:33,506 he said we shouldn't judge gays. 164 00:09:33,508 --> 00:09:37,044 he said atheists can get into heaven. 165 00:09:37,046 --> 00:09:40,647 we don't care, but it was a nice gesture. 166 00:09:40,649 --> 00:09:48,021 do you think some day maybe he would say nuns could do what the priests do? 167 00:09:48,023 --> 00:09:50,624 would you like to hear confessions? 168 00:09:50,626 --> 00:09:54,260 sister prejean: the confessions that go on in the confessional, 169 00:09:54,262 --> 00:09:57,464 not too many of those going on now, truly. 170 00:09:57,466 --> 00:10:01,902 it's ordained priesthood and you go to confession. 171 00:10:01,904 --> 00:10:06,473 that's part of life -- bill: who confesss? 172 00:10:06,475 --> 00:10:09,442 sister prejean: it's for people who are sorry for what they do. 173 00:10:09,444 --> 00:10:12,913 we help others acknowledge their wrong. 174 00:10:12,915 --> 00:10:13,880 gold forgives us. 175 00:10:13,882 --> 00:10:20,020 bill: you're saying the confession is not -- sister prejean: vatican ii 176 00:10:20,022 --> 00:10:22,022 defined the church as the people. 177 00:10:22,024 --> 00:10:25,025 for example, when i'm with people on death row, i've heard 178 00:10:25,027 --> 00:10:28,962 a lot of confessions, but not just with people on death row. 179 00:10:28,964 --> 00:10:33,900 bill: so you do hear confessions? 180 00:10:33,902 --> 00:10:36,469 sister prejean: you do too probably. 181 00:10:36,471 --> 00:10:39,172 i don't know, maybe you're on the other end, i don't know. 182 00:10:39,174 --> 00:10:43,744 bill: i admit, i've not been to church in a while. 183 00:10:43,746 --> 00:10:45,545 since i made "religulous." 184 00:10:45,547 --> 00:10:49,950 but when i was going, you walked into a little box with a man on 185 00:10:49,952 --> 00:10:55,689 the other side and he was the only one who could absolve you of your sins. 186 00:10:55,691 --> 00:10:58,859 you're telling me that's changed? 187 00:10:58,861 --> 00:11:02,162 sister prejean: well, there's not as much emphasis on sin and 188 00:11:02,164 --> 00:11:05,532 you're going to go to hell if you commit one mortal sin, like 189 00:11:05,534 --> 00:11:07,400 you learned in your catechism. 190 00:11:07,402 --> 00:11:08,535 i did too. 191 00:11:08,537 --> 00:11:11,337 and now when you have someone like pope francis. 192 00:11:11,339 --> 00:11:12,472 it's the gospel. 193 00:11:12,474 --> 00:11:13,439 it's joy. 194 00:11:13,441 --> 00:11:17,878 let's get out there and be a church that's with the wounded. 195 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:18,845 [applause] 196 00:11:18,847 --> 00:11:20,147 bill: wow. 197 00:11:20,149 --> 00:11:22,749 things have really changed. 198 00:11:22,751 --> 00:11:26,219 sister prejean: i'm glad we could have this conversation. 199 00:11:26,221 --> 00:11:26,519 it's good. 200 00:11:26,521 --> 00:11:31,357 bill: i've got to give it a try again. 201 00:11:31,359 --> 00:11:31,658 [applause] 202 00:11:31,660 --> 00:11:36,262 but -- all right, let's talk about your issue. 203 00:11:36,264 --> 00:11:39,465 you mentioned susan sarandon. 204 00:11:39,467 --> 00:11:41,134 she did play you in the movie. 205 00:11:41,136 --> 00:11:43,770 this has been your life work, really. 206 00:11:43,772 --> 00:11:45,572 sister prejean: since i was 40 207 00:11:45,574 --> 00:11:49,342 and woke up like pope francis. 208 00:11:49,344 --> 00:11:52,179 wrote about a man on death row and executions. 209 00:11:52,181 --> 00:11:56,917 bill: i now you're -- know you're working on a case now -- 210 00:11:56,919 --> 00:11:58,685 it's too much to get into. 211 00:11:58,687 --> 00:12:03,590 sister prejean: it mirrors exactly what's wrong with the death penalty. 212 00:12:03,592 --> 00:12:06,292 supposed to be for the worst of the worst. 213 00:12:06,294 --> 00:12:10,597 the supreme court turns it over to the states. 214 00:12:10,599 --> 00:12:15,301 richard glossin is sitting on death row facing death on 215 00:12:15,303 --> 00:12:19,773 september 16th solely on the word of a man who committed he 216 00:12:19,775 --> 00:12:24,510 murdered the guy but claimed richard, in his fourth version 217 00:12:24,512 --> 00:12:29,282 of his confession, claimed that he paid him to do it. 218 00:12:29,284 --> 00:12:30,851 it's pay for hire. 219 00:12:30,853 --> 00:12:33,686 bill: let me ask you about the other case. 220 00:12:33,688 --> 00:12:37,991 someone who we know really did it like the boston bomber. 221 00:12:37,993 --> 00:12:38,992 he said he did it. 222 00:12:38,994 --> 00:12:40,060 we have the video. 223 00:12:40,062 --> 00:12:41,461 there's no document. 224 00:12:41,463 --> 00:12:44,597 now, i've always said let's kill the right people. 225 00:12:44,599 --> 00:12:44,965 [applause] 226 00:12:44,967 --> 00:12:47,500 all right, all right, thank you. 227 00:12:47,502 --> 00:12:51,437 sister prejean: bill -- bill: we would both agree that 228 00:12:51,439 --> 00:12:55,909 we do is death penalty horribly in this country. 229 00:12:55,911 --> 00:12:57,210 i would agree. 230 00:12:57,212 --> 00:12:59,846 unless we absolutely have it right. 231 00:12:59,848 --> 00:13:01,882 but what about with a guy like that. 232 00:13:01,884 --> 00:13:08,521 is it better to keep him in sol tiari for -- solitary for 80 233 00:13:08,523 --> 00:13:09,489 years? 234 00:13:09,491 --> 00:13:12,692 sister prejean: what it's really about is somebody like him who 235 00:13:12,694 --> 00:13:15,162 does an unspeakable crime. 236 00:13:15,164 --> 00:13:18,799 let's say in the book of justice, they deserve to die. 237 00:13:18,801 --> 00:13:22,869 but the death penalty is about us and when is the supreme court 238 00:13:22,871 --> 00:13:25,172 -- that's been the theory. 239 00:13:25,174 --> 00:13:28,675 we're only going to reserve it for the worst. 240 00:13:28,677 --> 00:13:34,447 people like timothy mcvay, people who -- but not terry nichols. 241 00:13:34,449 --> 00:13:38,018 so tim mcvay got the death penalty. 242 00:13:38,020 --> 00:13:40,153 terry nichols had good defense. 243 00:13:40,155 --> 00:13:42,289 richard had like no defense. 244 00:13:42,291 --> 00:13:45,025 so the structure of it is wrong. 245 00:13:45,027 --> 00:13:50,630 i brought it out in my book "death of innocents." 246 00:13:50,632 --> 00:13:57,537 i have been with seven people on death row -- i'm with the seventh one now. 247 00:13:57,539 --> 00:14:00,974 will or tease -- ortiz, who's innocent too. 248 00:14:00,976 --> 00:14:02,442 three of the seven have been innocent. 249 00:14:02,444 --> 00:14:03,143 it's broken. 250 00:14:03,145 --> 00:14:07,247 you have a state like louisiana, a state like oklahoma where you 251 00:14:07,249 --> 00:14:10,851 have bob maisie who cut notches in his belt. 252 00:14:10,853 --> 00:14:13,220 he got 54 death penalties. 253 00:14:13,222 --> 00:14:17,290 pockets of -- of people who go for it and others who don't. 254 00:14:17,459 --> 00:14:22,095 bill: when we got bin laden, when the president got bin laden 255 00:14:22,097 --> 00:14:25,398 i said i'm totally down with that because i'm not a christian. 256 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:29,102 but if you are a christian, and i read all these quotes from jesus. 257 00:14:29,104 --> 00:14:32,839 i mean, famous ones that everybody knows like turn the 258 00:14:32,841 --> 00:14:38,711 other cheek but others like don't repeat evil with evil. 259 00:14:38,713 --> 00:14:42,615 don't take revenge on your enemies. 260 00:14:42,617 --> 00:14:46,619 jesus says everything but specifically don't kill bin laden. 261 00:14:46,621 --> 00:14:50,957 sister prejean: there was a footnote on that, if you noticed. 262 00:14:50,959 --> 00:14:55,295 bill: who would -- what would you say about bin laden? 263 00:14:55,297 --> 00:15:00,901 sister prejean: you can't make any exceptions to anybody because it's about us. 264 00:15:00,903 --> 00:15:03,403 bill: whether you're a christian or not? 265 00:15:03,405 --> 00:15:05,272 sister prejean: it's human rights. 266 00:15:05,274 --> 00:15:08,875 whether or not you ever step in a church or believe in religion, 267 00:15:08,877 --> 00:15:11,978 we believe in human rights and that's the trail we're following 268 00:15:11,980 --> 00:15:16,249 now that's bringing to us a new day and it is bringing us there 269 00:15:16,251 --> 00:15:17,650 across the world. 270 00:15:17,652 --> 00:15:19,352 we are going to get there too. 271 00:15:19,354 --> 00:15:20,686 in fact, we're on our way. 272 00:15:20,688 --> 00:15:23,523 you can see that the death penalty first in practice is 273 00:15:23,525 --> 00:15:26,960 going away and now you can see that now a majority of people 274 00:15:26,962 --> 00:15:29,930 say you believe in killing bin laden? 275 00:15:29,932 --> 00:15:30,863 yeah, yeah. 276 00:15:30,865 --> 00:15:32,465 kill the right people, yeah. 277 00:15:32,467 --> 00:15:35,635 but then when you ask people, here you have the choice with 278 00:15:35,637 --> 00:15:39,605 life over death, most people now in america are choosing life. 279 00:15:39,607 --> 00:15:44,377 they say all the things wrong with it and they also see the great cost. 280 00:15:44,379 --> 00:15:51,017 it made me sad at first when they said don't tell me we're 281 00:15:51,019 --> 00:15:53,053 going to do it on the money. 282 00:15:53,055 --> 00:15:59,192 but martin luther king said a budget of more -- morality. 283 00:15:59,194 --> 00:16:04,965 put more money into killing people or get more policemen on the street. 284 00:16:04,967 --> 00:16:07,300 the arrest record of people who commit crimes. 285 00:16:07,302 --> 00:16:10,170 we have a lot of work in this country. 286 00:16:10,172 --> 00:16:13,173 bill: i'm glad you're up to it. 287 00:16:13,175 --> 00:16:15,141 thank you, you're terrific. 288 00:16:15,143 --> 00:16:17,177 thank you for not bringing your ruler. 289 00:16:17,179 --> 00:16:19,946 lord knows i deserve it. 290 00:16:19,948 --> 00:16:22,182 sister helen prejean. 291 00:16:22,184 --> 00:16:24,284 let's meet our panel. 292 00:16:24,286 --> 00:16:25,618 thank you, sister. 293 00:16:25,620 --> 00:16:27,954 all right, here they are. 294 00:16:27,956 --> 00:16:29,189 he's the former chief of staff to colin powell who is now a 295 00:16:29,191 --> 00:16:30,756 distinguished adjunct professor at the college of william & 296 00:16:30,758 --> 00:16:34,127 mary, lawrence wilkerson. 297 00:16:34,129 --> 00:16:35,428 hello, colonel. 298 00:16:35,430 --> 00:16:37,097 [applause] 299 00:16:37,099 --> 00:16:38,865 she's the ex-governor of michigan who is now the director 300 00:16:38,867 --> 00:16:42,369 of the american jobs project at u.c. berkeley, jennifer granholm. 301 00:16:42,371 --> 00:16:44,270 [applause] 302 00:16:44,272 --> 00:16:46,772 hi. 303 00:16:46,774 --> 00:16:51,311 and he's the former chief of staff to house majority leader eric 304 00:16:51,313 --> 00:16:51,844 kantor and former r.n.c. 305 00:16:51,846 --> 00:16:53,946 communications director, doug heye. 306 00:16:53,948 --> 00:16:56,716 hey, doug, how you doing? 307 00:16:56,718 --> 00:16:58,118 doug: how are you? 308 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:01,121 bill: remember to follow me on facebook, twitter, and instagram. 309 00:17:01,123 --> 00:17:02,389 and send us your questions for tonight's "overtime" so we can 310 00:17:02,391 --> 00:17:03,589 answer them after the show on youtube. 311 00:17:03,591 --> 00:17:05,258 i want to start off with iran. 312 00:17:05,260 --> 00:17:06,792 the iran deal. 313 00:17:06,794 --> 00:17:09,795 we've never really talked about it in detail on this show but 314 00:17:09,797 --> 00:17:13,199 it's going to be coming up for a vote in about a month. 315 00:17:13,201 --> 00:17:18,571 for those people who have kind of tuned out because it cements 316 00:17:18,573 --> 00:17:20,507 technical, let me break it down. 317 00:17:20,509 --> 00:17:24,944 it's a no-brainer -- doug: that is technical. 318 00:17:24,946 --> 00:17:28,614 bill: the only argument not to do the deal is pretty much the 319 00:17:28,616 --> 00:17:32,352 argument mitch mcconnell put forward the week before obama 320 00:17:32,354 --> 00:17:36,122 took office, say no to everything he does, no matter what it is. 321 00:17:36,124 --> 00:17:38,691 i'll give you a few of the facts. 322 00:17:38,693 --> 00:17:45,065 it calls for iran to get rid of 98% of their enriched uranium. 323 00:17:45,067 --> 00:17:48,201 they now have 20,000 324 00:17:48,203 --> 00:17:48,535 centrifuges. 325 00:17:48,537 --> 00:17:52,004 after this they have to get rid of all but 6,000. 326 00:17:52,006 --> 00:17:56,008 those are the older ones, useless to making ale bo. 327 00:17:56,010 --> 00:17:59,145 they have two reactors. 328 00:17:59,147 --> 00:18:00,746 to be constantly monitored. 329 00:18:00,748 --> 00:18:06,052 one of them is in a mountain to an air strike probably wouldn't 330 00:18:06,054 --> 00:18:07,353 wipe it out anyway. 331 00:18:07,355 --> 00:18:11,857 24 days, that's what you hear are the from the other side. 332 00:18:11,859 --> 00:18:14,894 iran is being given 24 days. 333 00:18:14,896 --> 00:18:17,697 not on the sites where the nuclear stuff is. 334 00:18:17,699 --> 00:18:19,099 that's the entire country. 335 00:18:19,101 --> 00:18:23,936 yes, we can't look in everybody's broom closet but no 336 00:18:23,938 --> 00:18:31,511 expert thinks you can start up a nuclear program in 24 days so that's bullshit. 337 00:18:31,513 --> 00:18:31,677 . 338 00:18:31,679 --> 00:18:35,148 and kicker is if we don't do this, the sanctions go away 339 00:18:35,150 --> 00:18:39,452 anyway because the other countries aren't going to keep them up. 340 00:18:39,454 --> 00:18:44,056 so we either do the deal or we get nothing. 341 00:18:44,058 --> 00:18:48,161 that's what i mean by no-brainer. 342 00:18:48,163 --> 00:18:52,265 jennifer: and that for 15 years, and it doesn't mean that any of 343 00:18:52,267 --> 00:18:58,171 the other tools we have in our diplomatic arsenal aren't available. 344 00:18:58,173 --> 00:19:03,443 we can still do those other things so to me, what is the 345 00:19:03,445 --> 00:19:08,314 alternative in they say no to this? 346 00:19:08,316 --> 00:19:11,684 >> i've been involved with iran since 1984. 347 00:19:11,686 --> 00:19:16,489 i saw ronald reagan try to trade weapons to iran for hostages. 348 00:19:16,491 --> 00:19:20,860 i saw us take iran's side in the iran-iraq war, one of the most 349 00:19:20,862 --> 00:19:23,563 brutal wars in the world at that time. 350 00:19:23,565 --> 00:19:29,235 i saw us take iraq's side ultimately in eldorado canyon operation. 351 00:19:29,237 --> 00:19:33,072 i saw a shootdown with 270 352 00:19:33,074 --> 00:19:35,175 iranian civilians on it. 353 00:19:35,177 --> 00:19:38,678 bill: you're saying we can't be trusted? 354 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:43,049 lawrence: i've seen some bizarre things, but the opposition of 355 00:19:43,051 --> 00:19:47,253 this deal -- unless i walk into the political world, i can't explain it. 356 00:19:47,255 --> 00:19:49,855 the opposition is bizarre. 357 00:19:49,857 --> 00:19:53,693 it eliminates none of the other alternatives. 358 00:19:53,695 --> 00:19:54,894 do nothing. 359 00:19:54,896 --> 00:19:56,396 the deal, bomb, or invade. 360 00:19:56,398 --> 00:20:00,366 if you do the deal, the other three are still available so 361 00:20:00,368 --> 00:20:03,169 what could possibly be the opposition? 362 00:20:03,171 --> 00:20:03,936 [applause] 363 00:20:03,938 --> 00:20:07,173 bill: i don't know. 364 00:20:07,175 --> 00:20:09,642 doug: i think the opposition is bipartisan. 365 00:20:09,644 --> 00:20:12,745 a lot of the attacks have come from republicans but it's not 366 00:20:12,747 --> 00:20:14,280 just the republicans. 367 00:20:14,282 --> 00:20:17,883 bill: that doesn't tell us what the opposition is. 368 00:20:17,885 --> 00:20:21,287 doug: the president has said one, if you're against this deal 369 00:20:21,289 --> 00:20:24,857 you're for war and if you're against this war deal you're 370 00:20:24,859 --> 00:20:28,127 standing in common cause with those who chant death for america. 371 00:20:28,129 --> 00:20:32,232 i don't think that chuck schumer is standing -- bill: you're still avoiding the 372 00:20:32,234 --> 00:20:32,798 issue itself. 373 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,535 what is the argument for not doing the deal? 374 00:20:35,537 --> 00:20:38,504 doug: the argument we're hearing for so many from capitol hill, 375 00:20:38,506 --> 00:20:43,042 republicans and democrats, bipartisan majority, is that no 376 00:20:43,044 --> 00:20:45,945 other deal is better than this deal. 377 00:20:45,947 --> 00:20:51,718 bill: you're still not saying what the actually -- actual argument is. 378 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:53,119 lawrence: there isn't one. 379 00:20:53,121 --> 00:20:54,854 bill: exactly. 380 00:20:54,856 --> 00:20:56,689 there isn't one. 381 00:20:56,691 --> 00:20:56,989 [applause] 382 00:20:56,991 --> 00:21:00,860 that's why you have to filibuster because there isn't one. 383 00:21:00,862 --> 00:21:05,197 and by the way, the arrogance that we could just knock down 384 00:21:05,199 --> 00:21:06,832 any door in their house. 385 00:21:06,834 --> 00:21:08,033 can iran be trusted. 386 00:21:08,035 --> 00:21:10,770 as you pointed out, can we be trusted? 387 00:21:10,772 --> 00:21:16,208 the country that fomented a coup in iran in 1953. 388 00:21:16,210 --> 00:21:19,779 i mentioned opening the ambassador in cuba and i noticed 389 00:21:19,781 --> 00:21:24,250 the republicans are very upset that cuban dissidents were not allowed. 390 00:21:24,252 --> 00:21:26,852 well, it is an ambassador opening. 391 00:21:26,854 --> 00:21:30,423 kerry's meeting with them rights after but one of the cubans 392 00:21:30,425 --> 00:21:34,661 said, you know, the people who are -- who were torturing on the 393 00:21:34,663 --> 00:21:41,867 island of cuba are us on guantanamo bay and we don't have 394 00:21:41,869 --> 00:21:43,503 racial prejudice on cuba. 395 00:21:43,505 --> 00:21:45,371 america is not blameless. 396 00:21:45,373 --> 00:21:48,675 we cannot operate as we're the good people. 397 00:21:48,677 --> 00:21:51,577 everybody else just do what we say. 398 00:21:51,579 --> 00:21:56,215 lawrence: i was in havana on december 17th when raul gave his 399 00:21:56,217 --> 00:21:59,251 speech and when obama gave his speech. 400 00:21:59,253 --> 00:22:01,587 there are 400 people in the room. 401 00:22:01,589 --> 00:22:04,524 roughly 50-50, cuban and american. 402 00:22:04,526 --> 00:22:08,127 there were -- there was not a dry eye in the radio. 403 00:22:08,129 --> 00:22:12,498 people had been working for years knowing that the cold war was over. 404 00:22:12,500 --> 00:22:16,168 knowing that cuba was spreading doctors around the world, not 405 00:22:16,170 --> 00:22:19,806 revolution, knowing that cuba had one of the most incredible 406 00:22:19,808 --> 00:22:24,477 public diplomacy operations in the world with those medical 407 00:22:24,479 --> 00:22:28,481 technicians and doctors and knowing that we needed better relations. 408 00:22:28,483 --> 00:22:33,419 when they made those two speeches, there were people in 409 00:22:33,421 --> 00:22:35,254 that room who were crying. 410 00:22:35,256 --> 00:22:36,756 it was way overdo. 411 00:22:36,758 --> 00:22:40,626 as colin powell said to me many times, all you have to do is 412 00:22:40,628 --> 00:22:44,530 open up and the dictatorship will be gone in two years. 413 00:22:44,532 --> 00:22:45,998 that's all you have to do. 414 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:47,800 bill: you're an expert on this stuff. 415 00:22:47,802 --> 00:22:51,003 i've been wanting to have an expert to answer me on this question. 416 00:22:51,005 --> 00:22:52,772 because iran is fighting isis. 417 00:22:52,774 --> 00:22:55,675 i don't think a lot of the republican candidates know that 418 00:22:55,677 --> 00:22:58,845 this is happening but don't we have to kind of -- don't we have 419 00:22:58,847 --> 00:23:01,981 to kind of pick who's the enemy? 420 00:23:01,983 --> 00:23:03,549 because you can't help them both. 421 00:23:03,551 --> 00:23:07,587 when you help one you don't help the other. 422 00:23:07,589 --> 00:23:09,422 you are an ally of the other. 423 00:23:09,424 --> 00:23:10,490 who's worse? 424 00:23:10,492 --> 00:23:12,224 iran or isis? 425 00:23:12,226 --> 00:23:16,829 if it's isis, if they are the really bad people, we shouldn't 426 00:23:16,831 --> 00:23:18,998 perhaps be making enemies of iran. 427 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:23,269 and every time i say that the locals should handle this 428 00:23:23,271 --> 00:23:27,440 themselves, the locals being the other sunni arab countries. 429 00:23:27,442 --> 00:23:30,610 i won't even bring iran into this. 430 00:23:30,612 --> 00:23:34,881 the experts say oh, bill it would be great if that could 431 00:23:34,883 --> 00:23:37,983 happen but i'm afraid they just can't do it. 432 00:23:37,985 --> 00:23:43,823 why are muslim armies in the middle east so useless? 433 00:23:43,825 --> 00:23:49,896 so -- except -- except for isis, boca ha ran. 434 00:23:49,898 --> 00:23:50,430 the taliban. 435 00:23:50,432 --> 00:23:57,603 except for the ones that believe any lambic fund mentalism. 436 00:23:57,605 --> 00:23:59,839 those are really gooders a. 437 00:23:59,841 --> 00:24:01,741 in fact, we can't defeat them. 438 00:24:01,743 --> 00:24:05,244 but those other armies -- show that chart. 439 00:24:05,246 --> 00:24:07,847 these are the forces under arts. 440 00:24:07,849 --> 00:24:10,783 egypt, 1.4 million under arms. 441 00:24:10,785 --> 00:24:13,653 iraq has 800,000. 442 00:24:13,655 --> 00:24:15,855 turkey has almost a million. 443 00:24:15,857 --> 00:24:19,191 jordan has 180,000. 444 00:24:19,193 --> 00:24:21,226 syria, 00,000. 445 00:24:21,228 --> 00:24:24,296 there's over 4 million soldiers. 446 00:24:24,298 --> 00:24:27,132 isis has about 20,000 to 30,000. 447 00:24:27,134 --> 00:24:28,968 we don't know exactly. 448 00:24:28,970 --> 00:24:32,872 they're like scientology, you can't get -- look at this isis 449 00:24:32,874 --> 00:24:36,642 and the rest of the sunnis in the middle east and they can't take them? 450 00:24:36,644 --> 00:24:41,948 so tell me, expert, why are say -- they so useless? 451 00:24:41,950 --> 00:24:45,250 lawrence: let me give you a little history on this and say 452 00:24:45,252 --> 00:24:47,653 that you're absolutely right. 453 00:24:47,655 --> 00:24:48,287 [applause] 454 00:24:48,289 --> 00:24:53,325 u.s. policy for almost half a century in that region of the 455 00:24:53,327 --> 00:25:00,800 world not withstanding our overthrow in 1953 and the shah's 456 00:25:00,802 --> 00:25:02,668 collapse in 1979 and so forth. 457 00:25:02,670 --> 00:25:08,908 the u.s. policy was to be quarter shore and to move ashore 458 00:25:08,910 --> 00:25:13,479 only as it was necessary to protect our interests and keep the peace. 459 00:25:13,481 --> 00:25:14,246 that was it. 460 00:25:14,248 --> 00:25:17,783 boots on the ground was out of the question. 461 00:25:17,785 --> 00:25:21,954 because everyone understand the admonition from the princess 462 00:25:21,956 --> 00:25:26,458 bride, you don't want to start a land war in asia. 463 00:25:26,460 --> 00:25:27,126 [applause] 464 00:25:27,128 --> 00:25:27,994 people forget. 465 00:25:27,996 --> 00:25:30,897 iran is in asia. 466 00:25:30,899 --> 00:25:32,665 it's not something we should be doing. 467 00:25:32,667 --> 00:25:34,534 i agree with you 100%. 468 00:25:34,536 --> 00:25:37,336 it's not something we should be doing. 469 00:25:37,338 --> 00:25:42,241 bill: and to the question of why they're so useless? 470 00:25:42,243 --> 00:25:45,077 why four million can't defeat 20,000? 471 00:25:45,079 --> 00:25:49,682 lawrence: a bigger question -- why is the -- does the united 472 00:25:49,684 --> 00:25:52,184 states always side with the weak government, the lack of courage, 473 00:25:52,186 --> 00:25:55,955 the lack of faith, the lack of anything you want to talk about 474 00:25:55,957 --> 00:25:57,657 in terms of stamina. 475 00:25:57,659 --> 00:25:59,559 vietnam, look at that government. 476 00:25:59,561 --> 00:26:00,893 that government didn't have a country. 477 00:26:00,895 --> 00:26:03,429 it had a relationship with the united states. 478 00:26:03,431 --> 00:26:07,033 and when real government came along from hanoi, it beat them. 479 00:26:07,035 --> 00:26:09,268 look at iraq, afghanistan. 480 00:26:09,270 --> 00:26:14,640 why do we always pick the places where there's no one to defend? 481 00:26:14,642 --> 00:26:16,676 bill: where are the lunatics on our side? 482 00:26:16,678 --> 00:26:18,811 you know, i mean -- it's funny. 483 00:26:18,813 --> 00:26:24,750 these middle eastern countries, they don't want to get involved 484 00:26:24,752 --> 00:26:25,851 in the middle east. 485 00:26:25,853 --> 00:26:27,787 lawrence: it's too tough. 486 00:26:27,956 --> 00:26:29,321 bill: why are we doing it? 487 00:26:29,323 --> 00:26:33,092 it's like when a dad says he's going to baby sit. 488 00:26:33,094 --> 00:26:37,096 you're not baby sitting, they're your kids. 489 00:26:37,098 --> 00:26:39,665 can we bring up another subject? 490 00:26:39,667 --> 00:26:43,235 i'm going to get to donald trump in the second half of the show 491 00:26:43,237 --> 00:26:48,007 but they're so mad at him for what he said about megyn kelly. 492 00:26:48,009 --> 00:26:51,644 but i was looking at some of the comments from other republican 493 00:26:51,646 --> 00:26:55,881 candidates in response to donald trump's megyn kelly comment. 494 00:26:55,883 --> 00:26:58,484 carly fiorina -- there is no excuse. 495 00:26:58,486 --> 00:27:00,853 i stand with megyn kelly. 496 00:27:00,855 --> 00:27:06,558 but she doesn't stand with equal pay for women, maternity leave, 497 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,227 abortion rights. 498 00:27:08,229 --> 00:27:11,563 contraception as part of health care. 499 00:27:11,565 --> 00:27:14,566 jeb bush, what donald trump said is wrong. 500 00:27:14,568 --> 00:27:17,536 but jeb brush bragged at the debate about florida being the 501 00:27:17,538 --> 00:27:21,340 first state to defund planned parenthood. 502 00:27:21,342 --> 00:27:23,109 jennifer: and he's not the only one. 503 00:27:23,111 --> 00:27:25,878 one thing, what they say and what they've done. 504 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:27,146 jeb bush as the example. 505 00:27:27,148 --> 00:27:31,283 when he was governor, not only did he defund planned parenthood 506 00:27:31,285 --> 00:27:36,355 but he actually, as governor, intervened in two cases to 507 00:27:36,357 --> 00:27:39,892 prevent a 13-year-old girl and a mentally challenged woman who 508 00:27:39,894 --> 00:27:44,596 was raped from being able to get an abortion. 509 00:27:44,598 --> 00:27:47,299 so these are two abortion cases. 510 00:27:47,301 --> 00:27:52,204 he intervened as governor and he allowed this bill to become law 511 00:27:52,206 --> 00:27:55,541 which was called the scarlet letter bill, which required 512 00:27:55,543 --> 00:27:58,944 women who are single moms who wanted to put their children up 513 00:27:58,946 --> 00:28:03,282 for adoption, to publish their sexual history in the newspaper 514 00:28:03,284 --> 00:28:06,952 so that the father would know, even if they were raped. 515 00:28:06,954 --> 00:28:11,924 and then he writes in his book that he published called 516 00:28:11,926 --> 00:28:17,462 "profiles in character" that he thinks that -- i'm not kidding. 517 00:28:17,464 --> 00:28:25,037 that public shaming of single mothers or per miscues teenagers 518 00:28:25,039 --> 00:28:32,377 is a good -- per misk use teenagers is a good thing to 519 00:28:32,379 --> 00:28:34,914 prevent them from misbaving. 520 00:28:34,916 --> 00:28:36,082 anti-violence against women act. 521 00:28:36,084 --> 00:28:37,382 they voted against it. 522 00:28:37,384 --> 00:28:39,919 they voted against actually equal pay. 523 00:28:39,921 --> 00:28:45,490 they all want to shut down the government to defund planned parenthood. 524 00:28:45,492 --> 00:28:49,595 60% of all women, republicans too, favor planned parenthood. 525 00:28:49,597 --> 00:28:52,264 this is not a good strategy. 526 00:28:52,266 --> 00:28:54,366 [cheers] 527 00:28:54,368 --> 00:29:01,640 doug: a spent a lot of time working on the violence against women act. 528 00:29:01,642 --> 00:29:06,879 we couldn't reach common ground with senator patty, who kept 529 00:29:06,881 --> 00:29:09,281 moving the ball further and further away. 530 00:29:09,283 --> 00:29:13,285 but i find it absolutely insulting, not that you are 531 00:29:13,287 --> 00:29:15,687 being insulting, of course. 532 00:29:15,689 --> 00:29:19,591 that when we talk about womens and women's issues we have to 533 00:29:19,593 --> 00:29:25,530 talk about contraception and abortion and lilley ledbetter. 534 00:29:25,532 --> 00:29:28,734 jennifer: who's talking about it? 535 00:29:28,736 --> 00:29:30,402 you are. 536 00:29:30,404 --> 00:29:34,240 doug: women care about jobs, their schools, health care costs. 537 00:29:34,242 --> 00:29:39,879 it's as insulting as saying hispanics care about immigration and that's all. 538 00:29:39,881 --> 00:29:42,347 it's not true. 539 00:29:42,349 --> 00:29:45,284 jennifer: how many times did the abortion, planned parenthood 540 00:29:45,286 --> 00:29:51,023 come up in the debate and how many times did the words "middle class "come up. 541 00:29:51,025 --> 00:29:55,694 overwhelming it was all about defunding planned parenthood and anti-choice. 542 00:29:55,696 --> 00:30:01,700 do you know what, even republicans -- 11% of republicans favor an exception 543 00:30:01,702 --> 00:30:05,504 to the ban on abortion for rape and increst. 544 00:30:05,506 --> 00:30:09,541 even 61% of republicans. 545 00:30:09,543 --> 00:30:12,611 doug: but they're still pro life. 546 00:30:12,613 --> 00:30:14,213 jennifer: fine. 547 00:30:14,215 --> 00:30:16,782 61% say there should be an exception. 548 00:30:16,784 --> 00:30:19,852 you have candidates who don't favor any exception. 549 00:30:19,854 --> 00:30:25,624 scott walker, who doesn't even favor an exception for the life of the mother. 550 00:30:25,626 --> 00:30:27,827 come on! 551 00:30:27,829 --> 00:30:33,165 doug: why is it always women's issues about abortions? 552 00:30:33,167 --> 00:30:34,834 women care about jobs. 553 00:30:34,836 --> 00:30:39,604 they care about getting their wages increase and health care costs. 554 00:30:39,606 --> 00:30:42,774 bill: but you're against the minimum wage. 555 00:30:42,776 --> 00:30:44,210 doug: that's not true. 556 00:30:44,212 --> 00:30:49,248 look, i'll be the first to admit that we had a lot of bad senate 557 00:30:49,250 --> 00:30:52,985 candidates who said a lot of stupid things. 558 00:30:52,987 --> 00:30:56,755 thank you, todd aiken, thank you, richard murdoch. 559 00:30:56,757 --> 00:30:58,891 you should be grateful for those two. 560 00:30:58,893 --> 00:31:03,795 that's why we didn't win the senate back four years earlier. 561 00:31:03,797 --> 00:31:09,068 bill: mike huckabee, candidate, also condemned donald trump. 562 00:31:09,070 --> 00:31:13,805 but mike huckabee also said about beyonce -- he said she's a 563 00:31:13,807 --> 00:31:17,943 terrific dancer without the explicit moves that would best 564 00:31:17,945 --> 00:31:20,913 be left for the privacy of the bedroom. 565 00:31:20,915 --> 00:31:25,251 but here's getting to my point that they just don't get women. 566 00:31:25,253 --> 00:31:30,522 he said jay-z is a very shrewd businessman but i wonder, does 567 00:31:30,524 --> 00:31:33,926 it occur to him that he is arguably crossing the line from 568 00:31:33,928 --> 00:31:38,230 husband to pimp by exploiting his wife as a sex object? 569 00:31:38,232 --> 00:31:42,167 as if beyonce does not run her career on her own. 570 00:31:42,169 --> 00:31:42,935 jennifer: hello. 571 00:31:42,937 --> 00:31:51,977 bill: he thinks that beyonce and jay-z are ike and tina turner. 572 00:31:51,979 --> 00:31:54,880 jennifer: defend that, doug. 573 00:31:54,882 --> 00:32:00,286 bill: i bring this us -- up because they do have a problem with women. 574 00:32:00,288 --> 00:32:02,721 doug: they have a problem with single women. 575 00:32:02,723 --> 00:32:06,025 we do very well with married women. 576 00:32:06,027 --> 00:32:11,563 mitt romney -- bill: obama beat -- doug: i'm not talking about 577 00:32:11,565 --> 00:32:13,132 binders, by the way. 578 00:32:13,134 --> 00:32:17,970 bill: obama won single women 67-31. 579 00:32:17,972 --> 00:32:19,871 doug: that's our problem. 580 00:32:19,873 --> 00:32:24,977 bill: but the r.n.c. has come out with a picture book to help 581 00:32:24,979 --> 00:32:30,950 explain to republicans -- republican politicians. 582 00:32:30,952 --> 00:32:34,553 doug: did this come out when i was working for michael steele? 583 00:32:34,555 --> 00:32:41,860 i just need to know that bill: it's called "those mysterious medium people who 584 00:32:41,862 --> 00:32:42,627 aren't men." 585 00:32:42,629 --> 00:32:45,197 would you like to hear it? 586 00:32:45,199 --> 00:32:49,835 it's explaining to republican publics -- ok. 587 00:32:49,837 --> 00:32:51,136 you're down in the polls and you don't know why. 588 00:32:51,138 --> 00:32:52,371 it seems like you're popular with all of the guys. 589 00:32:52,373 --> 00:32:53,672 but the reason the republican party's in trouble, is all you 590 00:32:53,674 --> 00:32:56,741 old white men who live in a bubble. 591 00:32:56,743 --> 00:32:58,477 you've got jeb and trump, santorum and walker. 592 00:32:58,479 --> 00:33:05,050 all of them somewhere between "creepy" and "stalker." 593 00:33:05,052 --> 00:33:07,419 but i'll tell you a secret if you keep it between us. 594 00:33:07,421 --> 00:33:15,327 there are voters out there who don't have a penis. 595 00:33:15,329 --> 00:33:15,627 [applause] 596 00:33:15,629 --> 00:33:16,996 women, they're called, and they think and they feel. 597 00:33:16,998 --> 00:33:21,066 why, it's almost as if they're actually real. 598 00:33:21,068 --> 00:33:23,469 your mom, your sister, your niece and your wife. 599 00:33:23,471 --> 00:33:27,439 there are lots of nice women all over your life! 600 00:33:27,441 --> 00:33:31,343 we're mostly alike, though they're often much kinder. 601 00:33:31,345 --> 00:33:39,618 they live in our houses, not mitt romney's binder. 602 00:33:39,620 --> 00:33:39,985 [applause] 603 00:33:39,987 --> 00:33:42,121 the first step, of course, is admitting we're clueless, and 604 00:33:42,123 --> 00:33:47,526 our vision for women is pregnant and shoeless. 605 00:33:47,528 --> 00:33:51,296 of course they're so mad that they're trying to unseat us 606 00:33:51,298 --> 00:33:55,234 wouldn't you if someone made you carry a fetus? 607 00:33:55,236 --> 00:33:58,504 but give them respect and we'll stop looking corny. 608 00:33:58,506 --> 00:34:04,109 admit they exist, even when we're not horny. 609 00:34:04,111 --> 00:34:04,676 [applause] 610 00:34:04,678 --> 00:34:07,346 support equal pay and they'll come to adore us. 611 00:34:07,348 --> 00:34:12,717 take it from me, that's the political clitoris. 612 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,021 [applause] 613 00:34:16,023 --> 00:34:18,223 ok, he's an activist and hip-hop musician whose album, "fuck the 614 00:34:18,225 --> 00:34:23,095 money," dropped today for free online at kweliclub.com. 615 00:34:23,097 --> 00:34:24,896 talib kweli is over here. 616 00:34:24,898 --> 00:34:26,231 hey! 617 00:34:26,233 --> 00:34:26,998 how are you, sir. 618 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,200 i'm a big fan. 619 00:34:28,202 --> 00:34:32,404 it's great to see you here. 620 00:34:32,406 --> 00:34:34,073 talib: hello, ever. 621 00:34:34,075 --> 00:34:34,373 [applause] 622 00:34:34,375 --> 00:34:39,978 bill: look at that. 623 00:34:39,980 --> 00:34:41,746 you smell like weed. 624 00:34:41,748 --> 00:34:42,781 ok. 625 00:34:42,783 --> 00:34:46,651 i -- talib: where'd that come from? 626 00:34:46,653 --> 00:34:47,619 it was off the top. 627 00:34:47,621 --> 00:34:50,055 bill: it came from your shirt. 628 00:34:50,057 --> 00:34:53,425 talib: man, i bought this shirt today. 629 00:34:53,427 --> 00:34:54,126 that's nonsense. 630 00:34:54,128 --> 00:34:58,130 bill: i have a very good nose. 631 00:34:58,132 --> 00:35:00,832 talib: that's someone in the audience. 632 00:35:00,834 --> 00:35:01,200 california. 633 00:35:01,202 --> 00:35:03,268 i see them in the audience too. 634 00:35:03,270 --> 00:35:07,239 bill: they revealed today -- the president is on vacation and he 635 00:35:07,241 --> 00:35:10,742 said he brought two play lists with him on his vacation. 636 00:35:10,744 --> 00:35:12,777 and they published them. 637 00:35:12,779 --> 00:35:16,582 one for daytime and one for night tume. 638 00:35:16,584 --> 00:35:18,083 let's get it on. 639 00:35:18,085 --> 00:35:21,753 but one of yours made the daytime play list. 640 00:35:21,755 --> 00:35:23,822 talib: that's right. 641 00:35:23,824 --> 00:35:25,157 bill: what is it? 642 00:35:25,159 --> 00:35:26,158 talib: memories. 643 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:31,396 we did a record called -- bill: it's a great record. 644 00:35:31,398 --> 00:35:35,867 talib: michelle obama, when they were running, she said it was on 645 00:35:35,869 --> 00:35:37,269 their play list. 646 00:35:37,271 --> 00:35:39,371 bill: it's a great record. 647 00:35:39,373 --> 00:35:43,408 you're recalling your youth and how you got in the game. 648 00:35:43,410 --> 00:35:49,148 i relate to it because at one point you said writing rhymes on napkins. 649 00:35:49,150 --> 00:35:51,250 that's what comedians do. 650 00:35:51,252 --> 00:35:56,355 all our young life is writing on napkins. 651 00:35:56,357 --> 00:35:58,323 talib: now it's on notes. 652 00:35:58,325 --> 00:36:00,592 not napkins. 653 00:36:00,594 --> 00:36:03,562 bill: oh, do it yourself. 654 00:36:03,564 --> 00:36:06,465 you use your phone. 655 00:36:06,467 --> 00:36:09,635 in your opinion ferguson for the anniversary of the murder of michael brown. 656 00:36:09,637 --> 00:36:12,337 what was it like there last week? 657 00:36:12,339 --> 00:36:14,973 i know there was some trouble. 658 00:36:14,975 --> 00:36:17,676 talib: yeah, there was some trouble. 659 00:36:17,678 --> 00:36:20,712 actually, a young man got shot while i was on stage. 660 00:36:20,714 --> 00:36:23,582 the official story, and you can never believe the if you believe 661 00:36:23,584 --> 00:36:28,720 story but the official story is that he had nothing to do with the protests. 662 00:36:28,722 --> 00:36:29,120 i don't know. 663 00:36:29,122 --> 00:36:30,255 i can't speak on what happened. 664 00:36:30,257 --> 00:36:33,958 i organized two free concerts to raise money. 665 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:38,263 the first night was to raise money for protesters and actions on the ground. 666 00:36:38,265 --> 00:36:41,200 we had tom mo rilla. 667 00:36:41,202 --> 00:36:42,133 bruce reilly. 668 00:36:42,135 --> 00:36:46,771 the next night was myself, common, immortal technique. 669 00:36:46,773 --> 00:36:48,540 series x. 670 00:36:48,542 --> 00:36:52,311 we came to st. louis and did a show for the people. 671 00:36:52,313 --> 00:36:56,682 free show but donations go to the family of mike brown. 672 00:36:56,684 --> 00:36:57,982 [applause] 673 00:36:57,984 --> 00:37:01,853 bill: since then -- it's been a year, but 40 laws on the 674 00:37:01,855 --> 00:37:06,325 positive side have been passed in 24 states about cameras. 675 00:37:06,327 --> 00:37:08,727 cops have to have cameras. 676 00:37:08,729 --> 00:37:10,729 racial bias training. 677 00:37:10,731 --> 00:37:15,200 limits on the militaryization on the police. 678 00:37:15,202 --> 00:37:18,337 so there has been some positive that's come out of it. 679 00:37:18,339 --> 00:37:22,507 talib: yeah, it's our duty to stand up and not obey unjust laws. 680 00:37:22,509 --> 00:37:25,344 it's our duty to stand up for our rights. 681 00:37:25,346 --> 00:37:28,747 what's interesting about ferguson is that these are young people. 682 00:37:28,749 --> 00:37:33,017 these are women, black people, white people, queer people. 683 00:37:33,019 --> 00:37:35,787 a community that came together. 684 00:37:35,789 --> 00:37:40,191 working dallas students who weren't about vists saw michael 685 00:37:40,193 --> 00:37:44,929 brown's body laying in the streets for six hours. 686 00:37:44,931 --> 00:37:50,101 they let mainstream america know these people ain't bucking out. 687 00:37:50,103 --> 00:37:51,403 this is a real problem. 688 00:37:51,405 --> 00:37:54,539 the people stood up and the thing about the people in 689 00:37:54,541 --> 00:37:56,675 ferguson is they did not go home. 690 00:37:56,677 --> 00:38:01,980 when the tents came out, they stayed in the streets. 691 00:38:01,982 --> 00:38:05,016 as a matter of fact, they're in the streets now. 692 00:38:05,018 --> 00:38:07,018 cornel west just got arrested on monday. 693 00:38:07,020 --> 00:38:10,955 they changed the conversation along with the one -- young 694 00:38:10,957 --> 00:38:14,859 woman who started a campaign after trayvon martin was 695 00:38:14,861 --> 00:38:16,395 murdered by neighborhood watch. 696 00:38:16,397 --> 00:38:18,062 bill: there was controversy this week. 697 00:38:18,064 --> 00:38:21,533 bernie sanders, democratic candidate for president. 698 00:38:21,535 --> 00:38:22,066 [applause] 699 00:38:22,068 --> 00:38:23,702 very popular. 700 00:38:23,704 --> 00:38:27,339 two activists interrupted his speech and grabbed the mike, 701 00:38:27,341 --> 00:38:33,244 didn't even do a conia going to let you finish. 702 00:38:33,246 --> 00:38:37,949 talib: i'm going to let you finish but hillary clinton is -- bill: right. 703 00:38:37,951 --> 00:38:42,053 and a lot of people said why bernie sanders? 704 00:38:42,055 --> 00:38:47,292 this guy has a 100% approval rating from the naacp. 705 00:38:47,294 --> 00:38:51,697 talib: the naacp liked donald sterling too. 706 00:38:51,699 --> 00:38:52,631 bill: what? 707 00:38:52,633 --> 00:38:54,766 talib: you missed that part. 708 00:38:54,768 --> 00:38:57,936 bill: a place called the national oassociation for the 709 00:38:57,938 --> 00:39:00,472 advancement of colored people is out of date? 710 00:39:00,474 --> 00:39:06,645 talib: we love the naacp and the history -- bill: but bernie sanders plainly 711 00:39:06,647 --> 00:39:07,879 is not a racist. 712 00:39:07,881 --> 00:39:09,548 he's not the problem. 713 00:39:09,550 --> 00:39:12,951 talib: bernie sanders is somebody who -- you know, he's 714 00:39:12,953 --> 00:39:17,222 somebody who -- just because somebody has a record of civil 715 00:39:17,224 --> 00:39:21,593 rights doesn't mean they're automatically entitled to the black vote. 716 00:39:21,595 --> 00:39:24,929 bill: but is he the first guy we should be attack something 717 00:39:24,931 --> 00:39:30,502 shouldn't we work up our way from people who -- talib: he might be the easiest 718 00:39:30,504 --> 00:39:35,507 because he's dealing with the people more directly than a jeb bush or hillary. 719 00:39:35,509 --> 00:39:40,278 but you have to look at what happened after these actives -- activists. 720 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:44,115 i'm friends with some of the people who started black lives matter. 721 00:39:44,117 --> 00:39:48,253 when i first heard about bernie in seattle i thought that's not 722 00:39:48,255 --> 00:39:49,721 right but then i was corrected. 723 00:39:49,723 --> 00:39:53,425 the job of activism is not to be liked or plilt. 724 00:39:53,427 --> 00:39:58,129 it's about making sure these issues -- black women vote more 725 00:39:58,131 --> 00:39:59,765 than anybody in this country. 726 00:39:59,767 --> 00:40:03,268 they started black lives matter and they are forcing this discussion. 727 00:40:03,270 --> 00:40:08,774 they say you're not going to be a progressive and just because 728 00:40:08,776 --> 00:40:11,743 of that you have a grasp of racial issues. 729 00:40:11,745 --> 00:40:18,149 it's possible to be progretch and still have no understanding of racial issues. 730 00:40:18,151 --> 00:40:22,387 and since they used protests, which martin luther king and 731 00:40:22,389 --> 00:40:28,794 nelson mandela and began hi and all these political historical figures did. 732 00:40:28,796 --> 00:40:32,497 they forced o'malley to come up with a platform. 733 00:40:32,499 --> 00:40:37,602 they forced bernie sanders to deal with it and that's positive and beautiful. 734 00:40:37,604 --> 00:40:42,707 jennifer: all of these democratic candidates now have a platform on ending mass 735 00:40:42,709 --> 00:40:43,074 incarceration. 736 00:40:43,076 --> 00:40:46,745 and black lives matter did confront jeb bush this week. 737 00:40:46,747 --> 00:40:55,320 i hope they continue to confront republicans as well. 738 00:40:55,322 --> 00:40:57,088 bill: let me show awe little video. 739 00:40:57,090 --> 00:40:59,891 some people in ferguson showed up. 740 00:40:59,893 --> 00:41:03,528 they were with the militia called the oath keepers and this 741 00:41:03,530 --> 00:41:05,396 is something we've seen elsewhere in america. 742 00:41:05,398 --> 00:41:12,637 a bunch of white guys with automatic machine guns and body armor showed up. 743 00:41:12,639 --> 00:41:16,274 i want to ask the question -- what do you think would happen 744 00:41:16,276 --> 00:41:20,645 if a bunch of black people showed up? 745 00:41:20,647 --> 00:41:21,913 audience: boo! 746 00:41:21,915 --> 00:41:22,413 -- [applause] 747 00:41:22,415 --> 00:41:28,186 with automatic weapons exercising their constitutional rights? 748 00:41:28,188 --> 00:41:31,857 that is kind of white privilege, isn't it? 749 00:41:31,859 --> 00:41:34,893 doug: they should stay home. 750 00:41:34,895 --> 00:41:38,897 bill: you would admit admit there's no americas on that? 751 00:41:38,899 --> 00:41:39,831 doug: absolutely. 752 00:41:39,833 --> 00:41:41,666 republicans have been talking about this as well. 753 00:41:41,668 --> 00:41:50,675 if we have a robust sense of government, that speaks to what 754 00:41:50,677 --> 00:41:53,211 sister helen was saying well-. 755 00:41:53,213 --> 00:41:54,045 -- as well. 756 00:41:54,047 --> 00:41:56,047 bill: i think this is a giant story. 757 00:41:56,049 --> 00:41:59,651 i didn't see anybody talking about it today, that donald 758 00:41:59,653 --> 00:42:01,620 trump is ahead in iowa. 759 00:42:01,622 --> 00:42:05,356 this was the one place that said donald trump is not going to do 760 00:42:05,358 --> 00:42:08,393 well there because he's a new yorker. 761 00:42:08,395 --> 00:42:09,961 remember julianna. 762 00:42:09,963 --> 00:42:12,631 he wouldn't even participate on this show. 763 00:42:12,633 --> 00:42:16,801 so many told me on this show, chris christie, even when he was 764 00:42:16,803 --> 00:42:20,772 riding high, not going to play well in iowa. 765 00:42:20,774 --> 00:42:23,542 he's too new jersey. 766 00:42:23,544 --> 00:42:24,242 too new york. 767 00:42:24,244 --> 00:42:29,614 even the evangelicals want to be called on their shit. 768 00:42:29,616 --> 00:42:31,650 they are desperate to have somebody lead them. 769 00:42:31,652 --> 00:42:35,820 somebody to say you know what i don't bend to your bullshit. 770 00:42:35,822 --> 00:42:39,290 donald trump, i got to say, i don't agree with him on a lot 771 00:42:39,292 --> 00:42:41,359 but i kind of get him. 772 00:42:41,361 --> 00:42:45,530 we've kind of been doing the same thing. 773 00:42:45,532 --> 00:42:49,768 jennifer: the same political incorrect stuff. 774 00:42:49,770 --> 00:42:53,939 lawrence: he has an ear for a lot of what americans want to say. 775 00:42:53,941 --> 00:42:59,744 his remarks on the iraq war is almost total condemnation of 776 00:42:59,746 --> 00:43:03,281 george w. bush's policy, my administration's policy. 777 00:43:03,283 --> 00:43:07,151 what other candidacy has said that other than rand paul. 778 00:43:07,153 --> 00:43:11,155 jennifer: i do not think he's saying what people want to hear 779 00:43:11,157 --> 00:43:15,827 when he calls mexicans rapists and murderers. 780 00:43:15,829 --> 00:43:17,528 lawrence: there are some. 781 00:43:17,530 --> 00:43:18,663 talib: you're right. 782 00:43:18,665 --> 00:43:21,466 a lot of them do. 783 00:43:21,468 --> 00:43:26,170 these people, the oath keepers, and donald trump, their racist 784 00:43:26,172 --> 00:43:31,275 and sexist, feel like the country is being taken away from them. 785 00:43:31,277 --> 00:43:35,080 he's saying what fox news has been saying but he's not playing 786 00:43:35,082 --> 00:43:36,982 a political game. 787 00:43:36,984 --> 00:43:40,384 jennifer: and giving him a cover. 788 00:43:40,386 --> 00:43:44,255 doug: what -- we talk all day every day about donald trump. 789 00:43:44,257 --> 00:43:49,694 marco rubio gives a speech, nobody pays against. 790 00:43:49,696 --> 00:43:53,131 john parry gives a speech on race. 791 00:43:53,133 --> 00:43:54,532 nobody pays attention. 792 00:43:54,534 --> 00:43:59,704 the one who gets all the pub is the one who's leading. 793 00:43:59,706 --> 00:44:02,473 bill: 24 million people watched the debate. 794 00:44:02,475 --> 00:44:07,578 do you know what the first g.o.p. debate in 2012 got? 795 00:44:07,580 --> 00:44:07,879 3.2. 796 00:44:07,881 --> 00:44:12,784 doug: no one was watching to hear mike huckabee's tax policy. 797 00:44:12,786 --> 00:44:13,317 absolutely. 798 00:44:13,319 --> 00:44:15,854 we were going to watch the donald trump show. 799 00:44:15,856 --> 00:44:20,358 when you asked him specific questions on specific issues and 800 00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,427 don't let him change the conversation however he wants he 801 00:44:23,429 --> 00:44:24,896 starts to with it a little bit. 802 00:44:24,898 --> 00:44:29,167 bill: this is a guy with three wives -- latest one is a model, 803 00:44:29,169 --> 00:44:33,738 who has said that he doesn't look to god for forgiveness. 804 00:44:33,740 --> 00:44:36,708 that he doesn't really even bother god. 805 00:44:36,710 --> 00:44:38,476 he said that. 806 00:44:38,478 --> 00:44:38,743 ok. 807 00:44:38,745 --> 00:44:43,481 tell me why he's not finished in the state that everybody always 808 00:44:43,483 --> 00:44:48,252 said was run by evangelicals and you couldn't win it. 809 00:44:48,254 --> 00:44:51,556 doug: because we didn't actually cover it. 810 00:44:51,558 --> 00:44:55,060 bill: because republicans know they are full of shit, that's why. 811 00:44:55,062 --> 00:44:59,197 they are so full of shit -- doug: we heard about lindsay 812 00:44:59,199 --> 00:45:03,001 graham's cell phone, name calling john mccain. 813 00:45:03,003 --> 00:45:06,404 bill: i'm so tired of politicians saying to them if we 814 00:45:06,406 --> 00:45:09,440 only had a government as good as the people. 815 00:45:09,442 --> 00:45:14,045 they know they're not good, not right be -- bright and they know 816 00:45:14,047 --> 00:45:15,947 they don't know anything. 817 00:45:15,949 --> 00:45:20,518 jennifer: they appreciate the pizzazz and the show but i think 818 00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:24,189 they're tired of the same old, same old policies. 819 00:45:24,191 --> 00:45:28,126 anti-immigrant, anti-woman, anti-climate science. 820 00:45:28,128 --> 00:45:29,861 bill: those are his policies. 821 00:45:29,863 --> 00:45:31,930 jennifer: that's what i'm saying. 822 00:45:31,932 --> 00:45:34,132 i think they're all the same. 823 00:45:34,134 --> 00:45:41,439 don't let the pizzazz fool you but at least it gives them something to look at. 824 00:45:41,441 --> 00:45:43,374 he's a reality show guy. 825 00:45:43,376 --> 00:45:47,946 in a reality show, in "survival" 826 00:45:47,948 --> 00:45:53,818 they keep the villain on as long as possible to make the show interesting. 827 00:45:53,820 --> 00:45:54,119 [applause] 828 00:45:54,121 --> 00:45:56,520 in the end, though, the villain doesn't win. 829 00:45:56,522 --> 00:45:57,789 in the end. 830 00:45:57,791 --> 00:45:59,791 bill: we'll see. 831 00:45:59,793 --> 00:46:06,264 lawrence: what herself exposing, glaringly so, is the parsety of 832 00:46:06,266 --> 00:46:10,501 ideas and real political discussion in my political party. 833 00:46:10,503 --> 00:46:14,438 doug: i would say we have plenty of ideas that the candidates are 834 00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:18,442 talking about but all the energy has been taken by donald trump. 835 00:46:18,444 --> 00:46:23,248 marco rubio gave i thought a very good education speech. 836 00:46:23,250 --> 00:46:27,185 no one in this all of a sudden saw it. 837 00:46:27,187 --> 00:46:31,722 john parry talked about race and nobody in this audience saw it. 838 00:46:31,724 --> 00:46:32,490 why? 839 00:46:32,492 --> 00:46:37,929 we're talking about lindsay graham's cell phone number that the press gave out. 840 00:46:37,931 --> 00:46:41,232 he's all over the place on immigration. 841 00:46:41,234 --> 00:46:43,768 bill: oh, extreme on, the press. 842 00:46:43,770 --> 00:46:48,706 donald touch was the original birther guy, right? 843 00:46:48,708 --> 00:46:52,310 ted cruz -- what happened to the birther issue in ted cruz came 844 00:46:52,312 --> 00:46:54,946 out and said my mother was born in america. 845 00:46:54,948 --> 00:46:58,549 nobody ever contested that obama's mother was born in america. 846 00:46:58,551 --> 00:47:02,620 why was it an issue with obama but not ted cruz? 847 00:47:02,622 --> 00:47:04,122 [applause] 848 00:47:04,124 --> 00:47:08,526 doug: i agree. 849 00:47:08,528 --> 00:47:11,562 bill, to be clear, anytime a republican starts talking about 850 00:47:11,564 --> 00:47:16,301 a republican in kenya, they're hurting the republican party. 851 00:47:16,303 --> 00:47:20,038 anytime they're talking about a legitimate rape, they're hurting 852 00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:21,639 the len -- republican party. 853 00:47:21,641 --> 00:47:26,477 sometimes we need less dialogue and some people to stop talking. 854 00:47:26,479 --> 00:47:30,781 bill: great segue to go to new rules. 855 00:47:30,783 --> 00:47:34,052 panel, stop talking. 856 00:47:34,054 --> 00:47:35,720 [applause] 857 00:47:35,722 --> 00:47:40,458 all right, new rule -- now that kim jong-un has executed some 70 858 00:47:40,460 --> 00:47:46,097 officials, he has to explain why his barber is still alive. 859 00:47:46,099 --> 00:47:51,602 is it possible he's so surrounded by sycophants that 860 00:47:51,604 --> 00:47:55,240 nobody has the nerve to tell him his hair looks ridiculous? 861 00:47:55,242 --> 00:48:07,752 yes, i suppose it is possible. 862 00:48:07,754 --> 00:48:09,820 [applause] 863 00:48:09,822 --> 00:48:17,461 new rule -- columbia house, the 11 albums for a penny people 864 00:48:17,463 --> 00:48:21,132 -- 13 albums for a dollar people must not be allowed to file for 865 00:48:21,134 --> 00:48:22,000 bankruptcy, as they did this week. 866 00:48:22,002 --> 00:48:23,134 they must be charged with crimes against humanity. 867 00:48:23,136 --> 00:48:25,770 who will speak for the millions who were forced to buy spandau 868 00:48:25,772 --> 00:48:32,610 ballet and laura brannigan albums they didn't want? 869 00:48:32,612 --> 00:48:36,547 or that bruce willis bruno album? 870 00:48:36,549 --> 00:48:39,550 and who will hold to account the company that invented the 871 00:48:39,552 --> 00:48:43,554 "long-term contract you can never get out of" before verizon 872 00:48:43,556 --> 00:48:46,357 and comcast perfected it? 873 00:48:46,359 --> 00:48:50,194 [applause] 874 00:48:50,196 --> 00:48:53,364 new rule -- gwyneth paltrow has to answer this question -- are 875 00:48:53,366 --> 00:48:58,536 you trying to make us hate you? 876 00:48:58,538 --> 00:49:04,608 this week, gwyneth spoke about g.m.o. labeling on capitol hill, 877 00:49:04,610 --> 00:49:10,381 but when it was senator leahy's the urn to speak, she started tkting. 878 00:49:10,383 --> 00:49:14,152 if this keeps up, you're going to ruin the end of the movie 879 00:49:14,154 --> 00:49:17,322 "seven" because when the audience finds out it's your 880 00:49:17,324 --> 00:49:21,725 head in the box they're just going to go good. 881 00:49:21,727 --> 00:49:22,593 [applause] 882 00:49:22,595 --> 00:49:23,394 oh, sorry. 883 00:49:23,396 --> 00:49:27,865 spoiler alert. 884 00:49:27,867 --> 00:49:31,702 new rule -- now that the thing we used to use to phone each 885 00:49:31,704 --> 00:49:35,840 other is being used for everything but phoning each 886 00:49:35,842 --> 00:49:38,242 other, we must stop calling it a phone. 887 00:49:38,244 --> 00:49:42,580 it's time to call these things what they really are -- food 888 00:49:42,582 --> 00:49:46,050 cameras and douche bag locators. 889 00:49:46,052 --> 00:49:48,886 [applause] 890 00:49:48,888 --> 00:49:54,558 and in a related new rule -- just so we're clear -- if you 891 00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:59,530 look directly at me and speak and then when i reply you point 892 00:49:59,532 --> 00:50:03,201 to your headset to indicate you're actually talking to 893 00:50:03,203 --> 00:50:05,870 someone else on the phone -- you're the asshole. 894 00:50:05,872 --> 00:50:06,704 [applause] 895 00:50:06,706 --> 00:50:08,839 all right. 896 00:50:08,841 --> 00:50:12,010 and finally, new rule -- since it was my million-dollar check 897 00:50:12,012 --> 00:50:16,247 to obama in 2012 that turned around his lacking campaign and 898 00:50:16,249 --> 00:50:21,552 put america back on the path to awesome exceptionalism, tonight 899 00:50:21,554 --> 00:50:24,322 i would like to announce that the time has come for me to step 900 00:50:24,324 --> 00:50:30,495 forward and save hillary clinton's lagging campaign, by 901 00:50:30,497 --> 00:50:40,704 digging down deep and forking over $1 million -- [applause] 902 00:50:40,706 --> 00:50:48,879 worth of advice. 903 00:50:48,881 --> 00:50:53,317 [applause] 904 00:50:53,319 --> 00:50:56,387 jennifer: we'll come back to you on that. 905 00:50:56,389 --> 00:50:57,422 bill: sorry, i live in california. 906 00:50:57,424 --> 00:50:59,990 i need that money to pay my water bill. 907 00:50:59,992 --> 00:51:03,594 i know many liberal democrats these days are expecting bernie 908 00:51:03,596 --> 00:51:12,203 sanders to be their standard-bearer now that he's ahead in new hampshire, but i 909 00:51:12,205 --> 00:51:14,338 wouldn't have the couches in the oval office fitted for plastic 910 00:51:14,340 --> 00:51:18,709 slip covers just yet. 911 00:51:18,711 --> 00:51:26,650 i love bernie, but we must assume hillary is going to be the nominee, and after 912 00:51:26,652 --> 00:51:34,358 witnessing the gruesome 100-car pile-up that is the republican 913 00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:41,365 field, i, for one, am not going to stand idly by and let hillary 914 00:51:41,367 --> 00:51:42,300 blow this thing. 915 00:51:42,302 --> 00:51:43,401 the situation is -- and yes, the situation is dire. 916 00:51:43,403 --> 00:51:44,768 her positives are in free fall, can only 37% of americans now 917 00:51:44,770 --> 00:51:50,841 viewing hillary favorably, and 57% saying she's not treasures -- trustworthy. 918 00:51:50,843 --> 00:51:53,177 if an election were held today she'd lose key battleground 919 00:51:53,179 --> 00:52:02,253 states to scott walker, a man who looks like a drunk in a 920 00:52:02,255 --> 00:52:16,700 silent movie who's just been punched by mistake. 921 00:52:16,702 --> 00:52:20,004 perhaps worst of all, one poll says she's now viewed negatively 922 00:52:20,006 --> 00:52:23,141 by white women with college degrees. 923 00:52:23,143 --> 00:52:30,981 that's like obama losing john legend. 924 00:52:30,983 --> 00:52:33,884 hillary, i don't want to sound like trump, but your campaign 925 00:52:33,886 --> 00:52:37,855 stinks and your numbers are terrible. 926 00:52:37,857 --> 00:52:42,726 and speaking of trump, hillary, you should be the one candidate 927 00:52:42,728 --> 00:52:44,728 who hits that blow hard as hard as he hits! 928 00:52:44,730 --> 00:52:47,064 say something like, "mr. trump, you accuse megyn kelly of being 929 00:52:47,066 --> 00:52:50,901 on the rag, but what's going on with your hormones when you 930 00:52:50,903 --> 00:52:56,974 start whining every time a woman asks you a tough question, you little bitch?" 931 00:52:56,976 --> 00:53:03,281 [applause] 932 00:53:03,283 --> 00:53:07,552 and that's my first bit of advice -- you've got to make the campaign more fun. 933 00:53:07,554 --> 00:53:10,888 this week you introduced a detailed plan to make college 934 00:53:10,890 --> 00:53:13,291 more affordable, just as you've released detailed plans on 935 00:53:13,293 --> 00:53:15,859 immigration, climate change, taxes. 936 00:53:15,861 --> 00:53:20,331 whatever. 937 00:53:20,333 --> 00:53:22,366 honey, that's stuff that's actually relevant to the job of 938 00:53:22,368 --> 00:53:25,670 being president of the united states. 939 00:53:25,672 --> 00:53:28,573 but this is america. 940 00:53:28,575 --> 00:53:31,975 campaigns aren't for policy. 941 00:53:31,977 --> 00:53:38,882 just say, "i will be the best at college affordability." 942 00:53:38,884 --> 00:53:40,718 [applause] 943 00:53:40,720 --> 00:53:42,587 and enjoy it more. 944 00:53:42,589 --> 00:53:48,392 a prominent supporter recently called your campaign joyless, and it kind of is. 945 00:53:48,394 --> 00:53:54,732 now, i know this presents a conundrum -- how do you appear 946 00:53:54,734 --> 00:53:57,868 more joyful but without that laugh? 947 00:53:57,870 --> 00:54:04,808 [laughter] 948 00:54:04,810 --> 00:54:07,044 bill: yes, the laugh. 949 00:54:07,046 --> 00:54:12,516 the one that makes people think you're the wicked witch of the west wing. 950 00:54:12,518 --> 00:54:14,752 you have got to get rid of that. 951 00:54:14,754 --> 00:54:18,222 and you've got to find a way to look like you're a spontaneous fun lover. 952 00:54:18,224 --> 00:54:31,068 see, if taylor swift has room in her girl gang for you, ride an 953 00:54:31,070 --> 00:54:34,838 inflatable penis with miley cyrus. 954 00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:38,476 lick a doughnut with ariana grande, pee in a bucket with justin bieber 955 00:54:38,478 --> 00:54:41,746 geez, girl, you invented bad blood. 956 00:54:41,748 --> 00:54:48,786 start a twitter war with katy perry and then delete your tweets. 957 00:54:48,788 --> 00:54:49,086 [applause] 958 00:54:49,088 --> 00:54:51,889 ok. 959 00:54:51,891 --> 00:54:55,159 next thing you have to do -- i want you to announce your v.p. 960 00:54:55,161 --> 00:55:02,366 pick and i want it to be baltimore slap mom. 961 00:55:02,368 --> 00:55:03,334 [applause] 962 00:55:03,336 --> 00:55:05,536 that's right. 963 00:55:05,538 --> 00:55:07,137 remember the woman during the baltimore riots this year who 964 00:55:07,139 --> 00:55:12,109 slapped her son because he was throwing bricks at the cops? 965 00:55:12,111 --> 00:55:14,645 she's your ticket to the white house. 966 00:55:14,647 --> 00:55:16,547 liberals love her because she's a strong single mom, and 967 00:55:16,549 --> 00:55:20,050 conservatives love her because she beats the crap out of 968 00:55:20,052 --> 00:55:27,825 unarmed black teenagers. 969 00:55:27,827 --> 00:55:31,128 [applause] 970 00:55:31,130 --> 00:55:35,032 and finally, hillary, your ace in the hole to get america back 971 00:55:35,034 --> 00:55:42,973 on your side is your husband, bill clinton. 972 00:55:42,975 --> 00:55:47,277 [applause] 973 00:55:47,279 --> 00:55:50,448 he has to have an affair. 974 00:55:50,450 --> 00:55:52,550 or at least you have to find a way to publicize one of the ones 975 00:55:52,552 --> 00:55:58,121 he's probably already having. 976 00:55:58,123 --> 00:56:01,359 i say this because the years when you owned "most 977 00:56:01,361 --> 00:56:02,626 admired woman in america" were the years when he was doing it 978 00:56:02,628 --> 00:56:09,433 with anything that had shoulder-length hair and moved slower than he did. 979 00:56:09,435 --> 00:56:13,971 you can get that magic back. 980 00:56:13,973 --> 00:56:18,809 but bill has to humiliate you. 981 00:56:18,811 --> 00:56:28,051 if at all possible, with rebel wilson on the jumbotron at a 982 00:56:28,053 --> 00:56:32,690 cubs game while you're throwing out the first pitch. 983 00:56:32,692 --> 00:56:33,457 with jonah hill, but -- nah. 984 00:56:33,459 --> 00:56:34,024 >> ok, that's our show. 985 00:56:34,026 --> 00:56:38,228 i'll be at the century ii in wichita, kansas, september 12th, 986 00:56:38,230 --> 00:56:44,735 the washington pavilion in sioux falls, south dakota, september 987 00:56:44,737 --> 00:56:46,404 13th, and at the embassy theater in fort wayne, indiana, september 19th. 988 00:56:46,406 --> 00:56:47,571 i want to thank my guests, lawrence wilkerson, jennifer 989 00:56:47,573 --> 00:56:54,445 granholm, doug heye, talib kweli and sister helen prejean. 990 00:56:54,447 --> 00:56:58,315 join us now on youtube and thank you, folks.