一旦被民意测验注销 once written off by the opinion polls
但因山崩叹息而当选 but reelected by a landslide sighing
当惊人的财富逆转是 when stunning reversal of fortune is
很大程度上归结为一件事 largely put down to one thing the
随着发生在中国的事件，人们对中国的恐惧越来越大 growing fear of China with the events in
香港给她新的紧迫感 Hong Kong giving renewed urgency to her
信息，但台湾的独特身份和 message but Taiwan's unique identity and
民主自由得到最好的维护 democratic freedoms are best preserved
通过与强大的邻居站起来 by standing up to the powerful neighbor
声称该岛是自己的 that claims the island as its own
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嗨的居民非常感谢你 residents like hi thank you very much
但她作为批评家的策略可能 but might her strategy as her critics
声称损害了经济和风险 claim hurt the economy and risk
如果我们抛弃 provoking Beijing if we leave aside the
时间表问题 question of timetable the question of
实用性原则上是您 practicality are you in principle at
最不赞成正式的想法 least in favor of the idea of formal
台湾独立的现实与 Taiwanese independence the reality and
现在的是，我们已经是一个 what it is now is that we are already a
功能上独立的国家，我们 functionally independent country and we
有我们自己的政府，我们有我们的 have our own government and we have our
自己的选举将会有一天 own election will there come a day when
现实需要由 that reality needs to be spelled out by
正式的独立宣言 a formal declaration of independence the
想法是，我们不需要 idea is this we don't have a need to
声明自己独立的脚步 declare ourselves independent stepping
你是一个独立的国家 who you are an independent country
已经存在，我们称自己为 that's already and we call ourselves
共和国 republicana
台湾，我们有自己的系统 Taiwan and we have a own system of
经营这个国家，我们确实有 running the country and we do have
卡门，我们有军队，我们 Carmen and we have the military and we
举行选举，您的胜利就是 have elections your your victory is
很大程度上归结为 largely put down to the the the the
中国在 central position of China in in the
有人会说中国有竞选 campaign some people would say China has
一直是后台的威胁 always been a threat in the background
为什么这次这次如此不同 why was it so different this time around
因为在过去三个或更多个 because over the last three and more
四年多来 than four years that we're seeing that
中国一直在加紧陷阱， China has been intensifying its trap and
他们也有一些军事行动 they have also some actions military
演习，他们有军队 exercises and they have their military
船只或飞机在附近航行 vessels or aircraft cruising around the
岛上还有东西 island and also with the things
发生在香港的人们得到了真正的 happening in Hong Kong people get a real
感觉到这种威胁是真实的，并且 sense that this threat is real and it's
变得越来越认真，你没有 getting more and more serious you've no
怀疑在一国二下 doubt that under the one country two
系统的公式香港的自由 systems' formula Hong Kong's freedoms
被侵蚀了，是的，我想，所以我的意思是 are being eroded yes I think so I mean
曾经有一段时间 there was a time
过去，这里的人 in the past that the the the people here
非常羡慕非常非常多年 are very envious were very very years of
香港人，因为他们 the Hong Kong people they because they
在 have this amount of a freedom under the
英国统治，但在1997年以后 British rule but after 1997 things have
改变了很多 changed a lot
你的前任明乔能够 your predecessor myung Joe was able to
在保持台湾民主的同时 preserve Taiwanese democracy whilst
与中国建立更牢固的关系 building stronger ties with China
经济上和文化上很小 economically and culturally at a small
为持续的歧义定价 price the the continued ambiguity over
这个岛屿的状况是什么 the status of this island what's not to
就像这种方法的情况 like about that approach situation has
改变MB的纯度不再 changed the MB purity can no longer
达到目的 serve the purposes was intended to serve
所以我们面临着非常困难 so we are facing a very difficult
现在不同的情况和类型 different situation now and and the type
以前的模棱两可 of ambiguity that the previous
政府想用它来保存一些 governments want to use to preserve some
双方都有这样的空间 sort of space for both sides it's no
再也没有人通过 longer there there's also been talk by
您的派对关于的危险 your party about the dangers of of
中国影响 Chinese influence
虽然你不是压倒性胜利 doesn't your landslide victory though
表明这些主张被夸大了 suggest that those claims were overblown
好吧，我不这么认为 well I don't call it a slight at
压倒性胜利是令人信服的 landslide victory it is a convincing one
但没有滑坡的程度 but not to the extent of landslide we
从最后的方向学习我们的课程 learn our lesson from the last direction
这是一次地方选举 which is a local election and in that
谣言和很多的选举事实新闻 election fact news that rumors and a lot
其他影响 of other things that are influencing the
人们在这里的感受以及结果 people's perception here and as a result
我们在这次选举中遭受了损失 we suffer a loss on that election so
毫无疑问，这来自中国 you've no doubt that's coming from China
嗯 hmm
是的，在很大程度上，是的，我们有 yes to a large extent yes we have
修改了很多法律以 amended quite a number of laws to
让人们负责，如果他们知道 hold people accountable if they you know
愚蠢地分配这批货物 are de stupid distributing this Freight
新闻或制造虚假新闻 news or or manufacturing this fake news
评论家担心这本身 critics are worried that that in itself
可以用作对免费的攻击 could be used as an attack on free
演讲是的，我们正在做 speech yes and we we're doing it very
小心翼翼地保持正确 carefully so that we keep the right
平衡，以便总结一下 balance so just to sum up in terms of
我们在中国的地方 where we are with China something's
改变了看法，你不买 changed in your view you don't buy the
恢复到旧的想法 idea that reverting to the old
妥协，变得更加more昧 compromise that being more ambiguous
关于台湾的地位可能会带我们回去 about Taiwan's status could take us back
进入政治时代的黄金时代 to a golden era in which the political
差异可能被搁置， differences could be kind of shelved and
双方可以继续 the two sides could get on with just
一起致富，没有这种情况 getting rich together no the situation
是非常不同的，但我确实认为 is very different but I do think that
双方都要认真考虑 both sides have to think more seriously
关于未来，以便我们可以共存 about the future so that we can co-exist
在一段时间内保持和平与 for some time and maintain the peace and
台湾海峡当然稳定 stability of course the Taiwan Strait
跟我谈谈你的事 talk to me a little bit about your
有人暗示选举胜利 election victory some people suggesting
不只是更大 that it's not just the the bigger
即时战略问题 questions of the immediate strategic
来自中国的挑战，但有一点是 challenge from China but something is
台湾的变化，特别是 changing in Taiwan particularly the
我认为年轻的一代 younger generation I think the younger
一代，年轻一代 generation oh the young generation are
很习惯我们 pretty used to the idea that we're
分开，我们有单独的身份， separate we have a separate identity and
我们是一个自己的国家，如果 we're a country of our own so and if
有什么违背 there's anything that runs counter to
这个想法他们会站起来说 this idea they will stand up and say
这对我们来说是不可接受的 that's not acceptable to us how do you
希望北京对您做出反应 expect Beijing to react to to your
胜利，他们应该认真对待 victory they should have a serious
关于人们的期望 thought about the people's expectation
如选举结果所示 as expressed by the election result and
这是一个非常强大的短信电话 and this is a very strong message phone
台湾人民 the people of Taiwan that is
是的，他们不喜欢成为 yeah they don't like the idea of being
一直威胁他们不喜欢的人 threatened all the time they don't like
被破坏的想法 the idea of being undermined all the
有如此骄傲的时光，我们如此骄傲 time with such a proud we're such proud
人，我们在每个方面都有成功 people and we have success in every
我们生活的一个方面 aspect of our lives
我们是一个成功的民主国家 we're a successful democracy we have
是的，经济不错 pretty decent economy yeah
受到中国的尊重 with ease of respect from China you you
关于您的结果说完之后 spoke after the result about the your
希望有可能回到 hope that there could be a return to
对话如何开始 dialogue how do you begin what can you
提供可能在您的北京 offer Beijing that that might in your
我认为打开那扇门有点 view open that door a little I think
是中国人坐下来 it's for the Chinese to sit down and and
想，也有这个 think and and also have this
准备面对现实 preparedness to face the reality and
如果他们没有做好准备，那是关键 that is the key if they are not prepared
面对现实 to face the reality
我们提供的任何东西都不会令人满意 whatever we offer it won't be satisfying
向他们保证台湾人 to them can you promise the Taiwanese
可以阻止潮流的人 people that you can stem the flow of
外交同盟转移到中国 diplomatic allies shifting to to China I
以为你现在15岁了 think you're you're at 15 now do you
希望它能在那里停止，没有中国人愿意 expect it to stop there no Chinese would
绝对不会停在那里带走 definitely never stop there to take away
我们的外交盟友，但问题是 our diplomatic allies but the thing is
我们尽我们所能来保持我们的 that we try whatever we can to keep our
外交盟友不是危险 diplomatic allies isn't the danger
虽然没有表达 though that's without an expression of
真诚的站在你这边 good faith on your side that and this is
评论家在某种程度上说你 what your critics say that you in a way
在邀请中国以这种方式做出反应 are inviting China to react in the way
建立信任是某件事 that it is building trust is something
这是必需的，但我想我一直 that is needed but I think I have been
这个地方的总统超过 president of this place for more than
三年 three years
我一直很合理 I have been rather reasonable in terms
处理我们与中国的关系 of managing our relations with China and
而且我们没有做任何事情 and we have refrained from doing things
这使我被认为对 that make me considered provocative to
中国和我们一直在采用 China and and we have been adopting this
维持现状的方法 approach of maintaining status quo
尽管压力很大 despite that there are so many pressures
这里压力太大，我们应该去 so much pressure here that we should go
更进一步，但在最后 further but in the last for more than
三年来我们一直在告诉 three years we have been telling the
维持现状的中国依然存在 China that maintain a status quo remain
成为我们的政策，但我认为那是 to be our policy but and I think that is
对中国的非常友好的姿态 a very friendly a gesture to China
您谈到了日益严重的威胁 you've spoken about the rising threat
您认为中国有多认真 from China how serious in your view is
今天的战争风险，您不能排除 the risk of war today you cannot exclude
随时可能发生战争 the possibility of a war at any time but
事情是你必须让自己 the thing is you have to get yourself
准备和发展能力 prepared and and and develop the ability
捍卫自己，但除了 to defend yourself but in addition to
我的军事准备是什么意思 this military preparedness I mean what
更重要的是你必须 it's more important is that you have to
为您的事业争取国际支持 get international support for your cause
所以我们一直在采用这个 so we have been adopting this this
不公开的态度 attitude of non-publication
因为我们不想参加聚会 because we don't want to be the party
这激怒了对方， that is provoking the other side and
使情况恶化或使 make the situation worse or giving the
对方借口采取任何措施 other side the excuse to take whatever
他们想采取的行动 action they want to take and to a
在某种程度上，我们的态度比较温和 certain extent we're rather mild in our
在我们看来，他们的回应 response to in our view their
挑衅行动，台湾准备好了吗 provocative actions and is Taiwan ready
捍卫自己，你相信你吗 to defend itself do you believe you
能够承受军事 would be able to stand up to military
我们一直在努力的行动 action we have been trying very hard
并付出很多努力 and making a lot of efforts to
增强我们的能力，我认为我们 strengthen our capability I do think we
在这里有相当不错的能力 have a pretty decent capability here in
侵略台湾是 invading Taiwan is something that is
对中国和 going to be very costly for China and
你有信心那是吗 are you confident that were that
最坏的情况是 worst-case scenario to arrive that the
美国会助您一臂之力 United States would come to your aid
看起来我们一直在与我们合作 look we have been working with our
该地区的朋友，以便我们有一个 friends in the region so that we have a
协调他们维护的努力 coordinating their efforts who maintain
该地区的和平与稳定 peace and stability in the region so
我们打算做的是继续我们的 what we intend to do is to continue our
与他们共同努力，使和平与 efforts with them so that peace and
您可以保持稳定性 stability can be maintained and as you
采取这种立场，远离 take this stance and shift away from
中国害怕影响力，并试图 China's fear of influence and and try to
建立联盟并加强您的 build alliances and strengthen your
与美国结盟 alliance with with America some people
会说真正的差异在哪里 would say where's the real diffident
仍然没有自由贸易协定的迹象 still no sign of a free trade agreement
与美国似乎 with the United States that seems as far
永远失去失去的可能性 off as ever the possibility of losing
与中国的一些经济联系 some of these economic ties with China
是因为它惩罚了您的立场 is it as it punishes you for your stance
是否存在以下风险： is that there a risk that the result of
所有这些都会对经济造成伤害 all of this will be economic harm well a
在变化的时刻总有 time at a time of change there's always
休息，还有挑战，但是 rest and also challenges but
到目前为止我还认为机会 opportunities as well I think so far
从某种意义上说，我们还不错 we're being okay in the sense that we
通过我们利用这种情况 utilize this situation through our
受益，因为这些变化，我们 benefits so because of these changes we
实际上得到了很多 are given actually a lot of
机会我可以给你一个例子 opportunities I can give you an example
我的意思是与这棵树之间的冲突 I mean with this tree conflict between
中国和美国很多投资者 China and the US a lot of our investors
在中国现在要回到台湾 in China are now coming back to Taiwan
这是你在鼓励我的事情 which is something you're encouraging I
认为是的，我们鼓励他们 think yes and and we encouraged them to
回来，等他们回来 come back so when they come back and
在这里建立他们的能力是 establishing their capability here is is
这都是最先进的 it's all state of the art and also
高端 higher-end
制造能力，它将 manufacturing capability and it would
带来这种动力 bring this that sort of the momentum for
我们的经济增长 our economic growth
在下一阶段，您已经打破了 for the next stage you've broken the
在许多方面尤其是 mold in many regards in particular for
举例说明您成功通过 example your success in getting through
婚姻平等法 the marriage equality Act hugely
您象征性地看到了吗 symbolic do you see that as it perhaps
最后，你最大的遗产没有 in the end your biggest legacy no I I
认为我已经做了很多事情 think I have done quite a few things
人们最终会意识到 that people will eventually realize that
对国家有好处 it's good for the country
例如养老金改革 for instance the pension reform which of
当然这是一个非常痛苦的过程 course was a very painful process to go
通过Sensex，当然 through and of course the Sensex
婚姻问题最初是 marriage issue is something initially a
这里很分裂，但我们又去了 very divisive here but again we went
通过一个非常痛苦的过程 through a very painful process to get
在那里，然后我们尝试做很多事情 there and then we're trying to do a lot
改革司法机构的事情 of thing to reform the judiciary here to
使系统更加可信和绿色 make the system more credible and green
能量是我们拥有的地方 energy is something we have a place a
我的意思是很多缺席以及如何 lot of the absences I mean and how
人们应该衡量您的成功 should people measure your success in
四年的时间你对我的看法是什么 four years time what's your vision I
想要使这个地方更加民主 want to make this place more democratic
而且就经济而言 and also in terms of economy will be
更具竞争力的经济参与者 much more competitive economic players
在世界上，我们一直在做 in the world we have been doing quite a
几件事最终将使 few things which eventually would make
台湾最进步的国家 Taiwan the most progressive country in
亚洲废除死刑 Asia abolition of the death penalty that
是一个很难解决的问题 is a difficult issue to deal with the
您会很好地支持的人可能是 one you'd support well that is perhaps a
人们一直想实现的目标 go that people always want to achieve
但是，但是直到人们有足够的 but the but until people have enough
自信，对什么感到自在 confidence and feel comfortable at what
我不认为我们能够得到 is I don't think we will be able to get
对总统的这一举动有足够的支持 enough support for that move presidents
我非常感谢你与我交谈 I thank you very much for talking to me
我真的很感激非常感谢 I really appreciate it thank you very
许多 much
您 you
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