大家好，我知道很多人还在进来 well hello everybody i know a lot of you are still coming in
嗯，早上好，在美国的你们 uh good morning to uh those of you in the us
恩，无论您身在世界何处，今天都好 uh and and good day to wherever you are anywhere in the world
嗯，欢迎参加汉密尔顿设计讨论会 uh welcome to the hamilton design discussion
在团队照明的陪伴下，我的名字叫尼克·枪手。我是一个现场项目协调员 with team lighting my name is nick gunsman i'm a field project coordinator
恩在这里，我们刚刚发布了汉密尔顿项目 uh here at etc we we just released the hamilton project
这个可爱的团队帮助将其组合在一起，因此 which this lovely team helped put together and so
嗯，这就是为此的动力 uh that's sort of the the impetus for for this
活动，如果您观看其他任何EOS，请从UTC和我共同主持人加入我 event uh joining me from utc uh my co-host if you watch any other eos
事件呃抢起重机嗯fpc从达拉斯出来还 events uh rob crane uh fpc out of dallas uh also
加入我们的是Lowell alcott uh和anne valentino，他们是 joining us are uh lowell alcott uh and anne valentino who are
分别为增强和EOS的产品经理 product managers for augmented and eos respectively
嗯，所以他们在这里是关于任何eos或扩充相关问题的信息 um so they are here for any eos or augmented related questions
他们应该出来吗，谢谢你加入我 uh should they come up so thanks for joining me uh etc gang
恩，这使我们认识了我们的好朋友和小组成员 uh that brings us to our fine friends and and panelists
呃灯光设计师非凡先生 uh the uh lighting designer extraordinaire mr
howell binkley呃非常感谢您抽出宝贵的时间加入我们，很高兴看到 howell binkley uh thank you so much for taking time to join us it's good to see
您将呃瑞安·奥古拉先生 you associate uh mr ryan ogura
再次感谢您能见到您 uh thanks again for for coming in good to see you
呃，汉密尔顿阿曼达的助理照明设计师，很高兴见到你，谢谢 uh assistant lighting designer on hamilton amanda good to see you thank
您是从西海岸加入我们的，您好吗？ you for joining us from the west coast hi and uh
和星星的程序员，大卫先生，很高兴见到您，谢谢您的光临 and programmer to the stars uh mr david good to see you hey thanks for coming in
来自布鲁克林um so from brooklyn um so
所以今天我们想谈谈音乐剧中的猫，不，我在开玩笑 so today uh we want to talk uh about cats the musical no i'm kidding
我们是在这里谈论汉密尔顿，所以 we're uh we're here to talk about hamilton um so
你们中很多人都知道汉密尔顿已经在百老汇上了几个 uh as many of you know um hamilton has been on broadway for a few
几年来，产生了几家巡回演出公司 years um has spawned several companies of touring um
我只想进行公开讨论 and i'd like to just uh sort of have an open discussion
关于进行百老汇表演的意义 about what it means to to bring a broadway show forward
什么样的物流有什么 what sort of logistics are there what sort of uh
艺术决定进入了这个特别的表演 artistic decisions went into this particular show
嗯，只是经历一下，所以我们也将处理您的问题 and uh and just sort of go through that so we'll also be taking your questions
罗伯·克兰（Rob Crane）正在为电话线配备人员，所以，祝福他 rob crane is manning the phone lines so uh bless him for
对于这个任务，嗯，所以，是的，向问题解答提问 for that task um so uh so yeah pop in a question to the q a
嗯，嗯，我们会尽快解决的 um and uh and we'll get to it as soon as we can
如果您不仅希望查看发言人视图，还希望查看图块视图 if you were interested in seeing not just speaker view but tile view
您可以在屏幕的右上角进行更改 in the upper right hand corner of your screen you have the ability to change
在扬声器视图和图块视图之间，再一次，这是 between speaker view and tile view and and again uh this is
将被记录下来，以便任何人错过或想要回去 going to be recorded so anybody who misses this or wants to go back and
重新审核通常需要一两天的时间才能获得这些 re-review uh usually takes us about a day or two to get these
记录下来的事件已处理 uh events processed once they are recorded
在youtube上，它将在etc自习室 and up on youtube and that's going to be at etc study hall
嗯，所以我想我只想打开它 um so i guess i just want to open it up for
进行讨论汉密尔顿参与其中 for discussion uh hamilton getting involved how where did it start
你怎么知道那个故事是什么 how did you get signed on what uh what's that story
我认为对我们所有人来说，这都是一段迷人的旅程 well it's been a fascinating journey i think for all of us
做哈密尔顿原来的嗯，我想我们都被邀请的原因 doing hamilton the original um the reason i think we were all invited
进入汉密尔顿是因为我们与 into hamilton is because of our relationship with
汤米·羽衣甘蓝和林恩在高处，所以我有很长的时间 tommy kale and lynn from in the heights so i had quite a long lengthy
在百老汇上以及 journey through that on broadway and as well
瑞安和我一起去旅游 um on the tours where ryan joined me on the tour
所以然后嗯，所以我们都有一种工作关系 so and then um so we all had kind of a working relationship
进入演出并从事一个新项目，您知道我们有点 going into the show and working on a new project you know we kind of had a
一种本能的词汇 instinctive vocabulary that was kind of a
真正有用的不言而喻的事情，需要花一些时间 unspoken thing that really was quite helpful that just takes time to
因为大多数设计师，同事和程序员都是通过 as most designers and associates and programmers all develop through the
只是在表演上表演，所以火腿就出现了 course of just working on on shows so then ham came up and
我以前读过几次书 i had a couple of readings that i went to before
阿曼达和瑞安进来了，里面甚至还有一本书 amanda and ryan came in and there was even a partial book in it
事情大概持续了三天，这是他们 and the thing was about three days long you know and it's really uh they had a
很多工作要做，但他们做到了，他们很聪明 lot of work to do but they did and they were smart about
他们关于削减什么，保持什么的所有决定 every decision that they made about what to cut what to keep how to
翻译，汤米非常幸运 translate and what was very fortunate with tommy
以及琳恩，亚历克斯和安迪，他们把这个小组 and lynn and alex and andy as they put together this small group
他们最终留下来，最终成为 they kind of ended up staying that ended up really being the
表演的原始演员，我的意思是谁可以写给你 original cast of the show i mean who could have written that you
知道这不仅对他们而且对我们来说都是非常特殊的事情 know that was a very special thing not only for them but for us but
对于表演，您知道只有所有人的编织 for the show you know just having that weave of everybody
非常了解每个人，所以我们向前跳了 being so tight knowing everybody so then jumping ahead we were uh we got
公众可以进入纽曼的绿灯，我相信这是300个座位 a green light to go into the public into the newman i believe it's 300 seats
也许更高的网格高度也许是17英尺高的管道我可能是错的 maybe more grid height maybe pipes at 17 feet i could be wrong
五英尺或两英尺，但是你知道一个固定的黑匣子 off five foot or two but um you know pretty much a fixed black box
玉米说的很特别，因为我们的预算很低 and corn said a very unique thing since we on a very low budget
你知道他只是用了剧院的墙壁，并建在里面 you know he just used the walls of the theater and built into it
你知道我的意思是砖墙是公众的墙壁 you know i mean the brick walls are the walls from the public
您知道他们呆在那里的那列 the columns you know they stayed there and they were
集合的一部分，所以有点很棒 part of the set so that was kind of that was great
和嗯，所以你知道我们有一些录音室 and um so you know we had some studio spots and
您知道一个小型钻机，而我们所经历的一切令人惊讶，您知道我知道 you know a small rig and and all we went that's amazing you know i you know down
您知道的市区低预算ii想像一下 downtown low budget like you know i i imagine that the
推动力是吸引支持者转移资金 impetus was to to get backers in financing to move it
让它长大，我猜怎么 to grow it um what what sort of uh i guess what
你用什么做预见或水晶球 what do you use for for sort of foresight or a crystal ball
因为你知道你所做的设计决策 for uh you know the the design decisions that you make that
大概你将不得不与之共处或想要与之共处 that presumably you're gonna have to live with or or want to live with
当你看到一些东西时，你知道那是什么样的 you know what what is that like when you sort of see something
可能会从市中心这17英尺长的网格砖墙剧院中获得生命 that may have a life from this 17-foot grid brick wall theater downtown
好吧，我忘了一件事，我们在棍子上也有两个源板 well one thing i forgot to leave out we also had two source boards on a stick
所以那真的告诉你一切都在那里 so that was really that was that just tells you all right there
我们很幸运地知道，如果演出一旦发生，我们 which we were fortunate enough to know that when if the show ever moved we
会得到三个电话点，制作人给了我们一个你知道的 would get three phone spots and the producers gave us a you know
他们的祝福，所以我们很幸运，你知道吗 their blessing on that so we're very lucky there um you know it
是对我们所有人的教育 was an education for us all going into it i mean
我们不得不在这个房间里重新制作这个故事 we had to redevelop the story uh in this room and um
只是您知道我们从第一页开始 it's just you know we started from page one and
然后我们把地狱从演出中放了10天，然后我们做了一个 and we took the hell out of the show for 10 days and then we did a
我们的第一个受邀礼服，我想那时我们都知道我们真的 our first invited dress and i think at that point we all knew that we really
口袋里有东西，这真的可以使我们工作 had something in our pocket uh that was really we could really work
我是在那件受邀的礼服期间 on is during that invited dress i mean
我们一直在不懈地努力，只是为了让演出和 we've been working endlessly just to get the show and the
登上只是为了让你知道并得到 board just to put it you know and get
过渡艰难，但汤米导演会非常 transitions roughed in but tommy would the director was very
说让我们进入这个表演很酷，然后我们将制作一个 cool about saying let's get this show in then we'll make a
每天晚上都有洗衣清单，第二天再经过 laundry list each night and go through that the next day and
真正实现了目标，您知道我们需要实现的优先事项 really hit the you know the priorities that we need to hit
清理它们，然后您就会知道我们将继续雕刻 clean them up and then you know we'll just keep carving
为了让每个人都适合的东西 into the show to to to get things to suitable for everybody so um
再次有了一个伟大的团队 that again comes to a great having a great team
你知道我有一个很棒的导演，我很幸运 you know i have a fantastic director i was blessed with
你知道有一支我在这里的团队你知道我们都有我们的工作 you know having the team that i have right here you know we all had our work
为我们掏腰包，我们每天都进来，只是去了城镇，那是一个 cut out for us and we came in every day and just went to town it was a
当我们得到这个词时 joy you know as was when we got the word that the
节目将像听到我的上帝一样可怕 show was gonna move as scary as it was to hear oh my god
它要搬到一个真正的剧院，我们该怎么办 it's gonna move to a real theater what are we gonna do
[音乐] [Music]
所以无论如何我现在都在胡言乱语 so but anyway i'm just babbling now no
不，这太神奇了，我知道瑞安（Ryan）对您感兴趣 no it's amazing and i i you know ryan i'm interested in your
以及您知道如何应对这些变化 take as well you know how do you with with those sorts of changes coming
如此快速地完成某种设计过程 in so quickly uh with with sort of a design process
感觉好像很分层 that feels like it's very layered right going
逾越节逾越节 passover passover pass um you know how are you
您如何跟踪所有这些 how are you keeping track of all of that how are you
确保所有这些都被很好地记录下来 making sure that all of that is documented well that other
正在与其他团队交流，您知道工作流程是什么 other teams are being communicated with you know what's what is the workflow for
喜欢支持这个东西 like supporting this this thing that is
如此迅速的发展和良好的前进，我的意思是那所房子 evolving so quickly and moving forward well i mean the one thing that house
说这是一支了不起的团队，所以每个部门的风景服装都发出声音 said it was an amazing team so every department scenery costume sound
都是很棒的合作者和朋友， are all amazing collaborators and friends and
每当遇到障碍时，我们都必须放一个灯光和一个扬声器 whenever it was an obstacle we had to put a light and a speaker
或我们在同一个地方的东西 or something in this in the same spot we all work together
这是表演的好处，而且您总是很难找到 and it was the benefit of the show and that you it's always hard to find
有时候，但这就是汉密尔顿每个人的最大收获是 sometimes but that was what was great about everybody on hamilton is
我们全都一起努力以取得最佳职位 we all work together for what was going to make the best position
节目的选择，甚至当我们在路上行驶时， options for the show and when even when we take it on the road and there's
不同的障碍，这是一个集体的努力 different obstacles it's a it's a group effort
我们都很好，我们可以做到这一点，而 we're all just okay can we do this and this and
就像您知道我们如何才能达成协作想法一样 it's always like you know collaborative ideas of how we can all
在那个阶段做出最好的产品，我认为这很容易，因为 make the best product on that stage and i think that's made it so easy because
每个人就像这是我们的问题 everybody was just like here's our problem how
这是我们的解决方案，您能比我们共同努力吗？ here's our solution do you have a better solution than we work all together
甚至在哈尔说有市区的时候 and um even when hal is saying there's the downtown
我们在棍子上有两个下降点，在棍子上有四个 we have two fall spots on a stick source four's on a stick
无法达到第二级，所以我们有智商，有智商镜 that couldn't hit the second level so we had iqs we had iq mirrors
我们会找出来做皮卡的整个过程 throughout that that we would figure out and do the pickups
嗯，你知道，所以从市区转车 and um you know so the the the transfer from downtown
对百老汇而言，您知道我们拥有法院的核心理念，但后来它解决了 to broadway um you know we had the court the core idea but then it was solving a
市区有很多问题，即使在预生产中，您也知道 lot of the problems downtown and you know even in the pre-production
走进公众，你知道吗 going into um the public you know uh it was
我们知道的谁让我们去那台钻机很神奇 who we you know it was amazing where we got to with that rig in that
那个情节我的意思是那是我们用尽了一切 that plot i mean it was we used everything
而且您知道我们知道机组人员很棒，就像我们要添加 and you know we you know the crew was wonderful we're like hey we want to add
这个想法，他们都非常支持 this idea and and they were all really supportive
恩，我当时想要这些街道，我们创造了 and uh how i was like i want these streets and we created
平台下面的这些漂亮的平街，就像 these beautiful par streets underneath the platforms it was like the
绝妙的主意是，您知道市区让我们所有人都可以 gorgeous idea is that you know downtown allowed us all to just um just
创建并且没有任何预算障碍 create and there was not any roadblocks of budget
还是不，这就像没事一样，我们如何共同努力实现这一目标 or or no's it was all like okay how do we all work together to make that happen
这是一个很棒的主意，就像手工制作一样 that's an awesome idea you know it's like the handmade
转盘的模板 templates for the turntable
这是一件有趣的事情，因为这是大卫和我当时 that's an interesting thing because this is something that david and i were
谈论很多关于我们何时进行编程项目的事情 talking a lot about when we were working on uh the programming project
我们推出的那个，你知道我有兴趣知道 that that we put out um you know i'm interested to know the
您知道拥有转盘的模板的故事 story of the templates right you know having a turntable
嗯，很难，因为 um on a set is is difficult right because
灯一般不会做，你知道的对，它们不能很好地包裹起来 lights don't generally do that you know right they don't sort of wrap nicely
以这种方式围绕圆形物体，尤其是随着您知道 around round objects in that way um and especially with you know a lower
天花板之类的东西，那么解决的过程是什么 ceiling and things like that um what was the process of of solving
这个问题，因为当您到达百老汇时，这是一个巧妙的结果 that problem because it's such an artful result by the time you get to broadway
和巡回演出，最后是电影放映 and touring and eventually a film show um was it
从一开始就是这个伟大的命运，还是被黑 was it this this great destiny from the beginning or was it sort of hacked
在一起或者喜欢你如何在当你的时候解决这个问题 together or like how did you how did you solve that when you when you
看到了问题，您去了哪里，我们将它们放在移动灯中 saw the problem where did you go we put them in moving lights that's what
我们在厕所洗过 we did at the toilet yeah
我认为凯瑟琳·克拉克（Catherine Clark um）永远不会忘记这一点，因为我就像我们要 i think catherine clark um will never forget this when i was like we're gonna
得到派的乐曲，我们要 get pie tunes and we're gonna take a
从光线到地板的测量，我们将创建一个 measurement from where the light is to this floor and we're gonna create a
自定义您知道将匹配它的形状，并且 custom you know shape that will match it and
他们在舞台上有刀子，我们 they had exacto knives on the stage and we
应该去那里放好，我们要再剪一点，所以 should go up there and put it in okay we're gonna cut a little more and so
那就是所有蟒蛇的声音，你知道 that's that sound was all pythons and you know
他们必须是你知道两个不同的大小，他们是两个 they had to be you know two different sizes they're two
他们是不同的戒指，他们必须融合 different rings they're they had to blend
但要敏锐而嗯，所以在市区，你知道你知道我们花了几天的时间 but be sharp and um so downtown you know you know it took a couple days for us to
让它变得美丽，然后我们搬到市区 get it beautiful and then we moved uptown
嗯，我们保留了相同的想法，但是它们是针对真实模板制作的， um we kind of kept the same idea but they were made to real templates they
拿了蟒蛇，我们再次进行了测量，然后 took the pythons we did the measurements again and then
他们成为了阿曼达（Amanda）最喜欢的人，如果有人 they became and then amanda's favorite um was if somebody was
因为纽约的钻机有很多 up because the the new york rig has it's a lot of
常规情况非常沉重，扶手旁有一些装置 conventionals it's very heavy and there's units off the handrails that
做戒指是因为我们用完了房地产，所以如果有人 do the ring because we ran out of real estate and so if anybody
上去进行维护工作或其他一些工作 went up to do a maintenance focus or something and one of those
单位被敲了，那将是一个小过程 units got knocked then it would be a little bit of a process to
让他们恢复秩序，但是你知道的是他们看起来 get them back in order but um you know it's they're they look
美丽，然后为巡回演出提供了帮助克里斯·安妮·李 beautiful and then for the tours um chris annes lee helped
我非常高兴，因为那是巡回演出，您知道很棒 me tremendously because it was the touring you know what was great
关于纽约，他们是直线下降的，所以 about new york is they were straight down so that
您不必做的角度，但是现在他们从事的工作 you don't have to do the angle degree of of but now the work they went into
移动灯光，我们不得不做很多复杂的数学运算 moving lights and we had to do a lot of intricate math
我们实际上进行了三次试验，进入了剧院 and we did actually three trials where we went into a theater home
点亮并确保模板正常工作 the lights and actually made sure the templates worked
我们做了一个创作，它们都是华丽的基石，但是我 and we did a creation and they're all keystone gorgeously um but i
是当我们第一次使用那些模板时 was when we first used those templates i
还没到现场，他们就把它们装上了，我们没办法 wasn't on site yet and they loaded them and we couldn't get
他们刻有观看模板，因为它们都是 them engraved with which template was watched because they were all
不同大小，不同角度，但您几乎无法分辨 different sizes different angles but you could you could barely tell
移动的轻负载错误地进入了装置 and the moving light load went in wrong into the unit
大卫叫我几乎要心脏病了，就像是对的 and david called me almost having a heart attack and was like right
的东西 something's
感谢上帝，我们拉入了钻机并确保模板正确无误， and thank god we pulled the rig in and made sure the templates were correct and
从那时起，你一直知道它是无缝的，但是那第一颗心 from then on it's been uh you know it's been seamless but that first heart
发作，然后我的心因为我喜欢哦不 attack and then my heart dropped because i'm like oh no
如果没有您，我们如何停止此操作，我们现在将数字正确 how are we going to stop this without you don't we now put a number right
您现在不将一个数字实际放在图案上，以便在 don't you now put a number actually on the gobo so that when it's
所以您实际上可以知道您在正确的位置找到了正确的人 so you can actually know you've got the right one in the right place yeah
当你当光亮，而你却看不到克里斯·姆 when you when the light comes when you don't see it like chris um
罗宾逊和吉米·芬尼根想出一种方法 robinson and and jimmy fennigan figured out a way to be able to get
我们可以在框内找到模板后立即进行识别 us to identify the templates as soon as they come in the box
这样就不会再次配置错误 so they don't get misconfigured again
非常非常酷，阿曼达（Amanda）您如何知道自己现在正在与人打交道 very very cool so amanda how you know you're you're now dealing with
所有这些变化，这些，你认识的人 all of these these changes these uh you know people
碰到东西，你搬到上城，你会得到三个关注 bumping into things um you move uptown you get three follow
发现您要保持什么流程 spots what what is your process for keeping
所有这些都是有组织的，我的意思是这是一个大秀 all this organized i mean this is a this is a big show
你知道，是的，我的意思是，这一直是一场大型演出， you know yeah i mean it's always been a big show there's something like
33首歌曲或类似的歌曲 33 songs or something like that in there so
我有一个有趣的观点，因为我不是在市区 i had an interesting perspective because i wasn't at the downtown version for the
和这些家伙在一起我一直在做一个不同的项目 whole time with these guys i was on a different project for hell
所以我有进入的独特视角，看着他们创造 so i had the unique perspective of getting to come in and watch them create
住了几个晚上，然后当我们搬到百老汇的时候我加入了团队 for a few nights and then i joined the team when we moved to broadway
嗯，他们真的我是说所有演出都是 and um they really i mean all shows are kind of
一头巨大的大象，您想一次吃一口，但是这只大象 a huge elephant that you try to eat one bite at a time but this one
真的真的是他们会在那里你知道 really really was they'd be there you know
进入ryan制作的列表，例如歌曲列表 going down the list that ryan makes like the the song list
并且您会看到他们知道他们在试图到达的夜晚有一个目标 and you'd see you know they were had a goal for the night of trying to get to
歌曲15之类的东西，他们会插上一个男孩，然后插上 song 15 or whatever and they would just plug away plug a boy and plug away with
你知道每首歌都有一个非常有趣的很酷的创意 you know a very interesting cool creative idea for each song
那就是，他们从来没有这个团队从来没有 and that's and they've never this team has never
这个节目花了很多时间，这对我来说总是很有趣，因为它 had a lot of time for this show which was always interesting to me because it
是一个非常炒作的节目，所以你会认为你知道你听到了 was very a very hyped show so you would think you know you hear
关于其他你知道某些迪士尼文本或 about other you know certain disney texts or
像我不知道两个月和这个频道 something that take like i don't know two months and this channel
两次都大约有10天 had about 10 days both times
因此，不仅是当他们提出所有这些绝妙的主意时，而且是在公众面前， so not only at the public when they originated all these brilliant ideas but
同样对于百老汇转乘来说， also for the broadway transfer it was sort of treated like
哦，我们不能把您在市区所做的一切都放在这里 oh can't we just take everything you did downtown and put it up here
显然将其全部装载到卡车上并将其向上移动了两个街区 which obviously load it all into a truck and move it up a couple blocks it'll be
罚款，这是在同一时间彻底 fine which was a complete relight in the same
他们在公众场合所做的一切，例如我永远不会 vein of everything that they did at the public like for instance i'll never
忘记第一次看倒带， forget watching rewind for the first time and
看到我认为是2500年代市中心在做那个模板翻转， seeing i think it was 2500s downtown doing that template flip and just
认为这个主意很棒，而且从所有主意都 thinking that idea is brilliant and it's stayed ever since all all the ideas were
辉煌，但嗯，所以总是这样，这个节目是 brilliant but um so it's always and this show is
非常具体，有很多特殊性 very specific there is a lot of specificity
不仅来自我们的团队，还来自编舞和目录 from not only our team but choreography and directory so
我会在所有不同的公司中说 i'd say throughout all the different companies
这是您必须跟踪最多的事情之一 it's one of the things that you have to keep track the most of
嗯，您知道为什么要在那个地方接那个人的细节吗？ is uh the details you know why you pick up that person at
他们应该是那个特定的行，因为 that particular line where they're supposed to be um because
尤其是在转盘上 it all has especially with the turntable all has
复数效应嗯，你知道取决于谁 compounding effects um and you know depending on who's
称它是不同的舞台经理是不同的呼叫者 calling it it was a different the stage manager is different caller
而不是公众的百老汇，那是另一条曲线 for broadway than at the public so that was another curve
还有很多时刻都很精致 also where a lot of moments were very refined
在非常短的时间内，整个团队的团队就非常 in very little amount of time so then as the entire room the team is very
紧密结合，非常出色，如果他们正在观看一段， tight-knit and very brilliant and if they're watching a section that they
有时感觉不对，这就是为什么不对 didn't feel was just right sometimes getting to why that wasn't
恰恰是您知道这需要所有眼睛和所有 just right is you know it required all eyes and all
耳朵像没事，例如任何子弹 ears to be like okay you know for instance any of the bullet
序列或类似的任何枪声 sequences or anything like that any of the gunshots
这就像一个带有Midi和其他所有东西的整个房间项目 that's like an entire room project with midi and everything else so
嗯，你知道我在想什么 um you know i think if there's anything
我尝试磨练的是跟踪 that i try to hone in on is keeping track of the
具体细节，以便我们在不同的公司 specific details so that as we're at different companies
你可以真正知道它应该是什么 you can uh really know what it's supposed to be
是的，我认为那是我想要的，因为我 yeah yeah and i think that's i want to i want to come back to that because i
认为重复是一个真正的 think the the the duplicating it is a really
您知道的过程中的重要部分 important part of of the process you know once it's
它是烤好的，做完了，但是你知道时间真的是 it's baked and and done um but you know the time is is really
对我，霍维尔和大卫特别有趣 interesting to me and and howell and david in particular you
知道表演非常精确 know the the show is is remarkably precise
正如阿曼达（Amanda）所说的，关于它的一切都是 right as amanda said like everything about it is
紧，速度快，所以运动很多，变化很多 is tight and it's fast so there's a lot of movement there's a lot of changes
嗯，你知道你是如何吸引焦点的 um you know how you're you're pulling focus
um在相对较小的阶段，具有非常紧密的区域 um on a relatively smaller stage with really tight really tight areas
嗯，你是怎么做到的呢，就像阿曼达说的那样，就像10天的 um how did do you get it all done you know as amanda said like 10 days of
就像不，我们将移动它，在现实中很好 just like nah we'll just move it it's fine when in reality
嗯，对于一个全新的节目，您的想法基本相同 um you're lighting basically the same ideas for a whole new show what
我认为很多时间花在彩排上 what was that well i think a lot was spending time in rehearsal
你知道进入我的意思是我们在演出中有很好的q排名 you know going into i mean we had a good q placement through the show
仅仅建立他们知道的大卫就非常快， just building them you know and david is extremely fast and
你知道很多次我们可以通过 you know a lot of times we could stroke through
一些人知道我们将能够回来并填补这些空白 a number knowing that we would be able to come back and fill in those gaps
你知道，所以我们在哪里可以做到这一点以及我们在哪里都非常明智 you know so we were very wise about where we could do that and where we
你不知道吗，嗯，那真的只是一个 couldn't you know and um so it was really just a
集体努力，保持紧张， a group effort and just staying tight and
就像我说的，你知道节目中的每个部门都这么 and like i said you know um every department in the show was so
令人难以置信的紧密联系，交织在一起 incredibly tight and had a great communication a weave in
房间很紧，所以你知道 the room was very very tight so you know as far as
就像你知道声音，气味和 like you know cueing with sound and the scenty and the
迷笛表演 midi and which is tons through the show
还有很多新的东西，我认为他们必须继续努力以开发和 and a lot of new stuff i think they had to work on to develop and
但是你知道只要运用这种创造力 but you know just using that kind of creativity
超越了舞台上看到的东西，你知道我的意思是 that goes beyond what's seen on stage you know i mean that
那是一件了不起的事情，但我们只需要明智 that was amazing thing but we just had to be wise about
嗯，以适当的方式看完节目 um getting through the show in a proper way
嗯，我想你知道这真的归结为我们的导演 and um and i think you know it really boils down to our director
你知道他有一个很好的眼睛，他监督 you know he had a good eye he oversee oversaw
我们每天所做的一切，嗯，我认为那才是真正的 everything we did every day and um i think that's what really just
鼓励我们拖拉，然后当观众进来时，他们开始弹道 encouraged us to hauling and then when the audience came in they went ballistic
没关系，这只是我们白天所做的所有工作而已 that's okay you know and it just from all the work we do during the day it's
我们晚上会看到什么，天哪，所以有时我们的清单会 what we'd see at night oh my gosh so sometimes our list would
少一点，有时我们的名单会增长 get a little less and sometimes our list would like grow
现在我们必须做一些像大卫一样正确的事情，我的意思是 right now we must be doing something right you know like david i mean
带有这样大小的力克，并且您知道尝试再次跟踪 with with a rick of that size and and you know trying to keep track again of
就像每时每刻的时刻一样 just like the moments every every single moment that's there
嗯，您通常使用哪种东西来保持 um what sort of things were you using just sort of generally to to keep
你自己有条理，你知道你怎么留下来 yourself organized you know how did you stay
在褶皱和瞬间，发生了许多不同的事情 in the fold and in the moment um with so many different things happening
一次对我来说是的，对不起，大卫，好吧 all at once was that to me oh yeah sorry david okay
好吧，我们对我们想从市区复制的东西有了很好的想法，所以 well we we had a good idea of what we we wanted to replicate from downtown so
布赖恩和我基本上会早上来玩 brian and i basically would come in the morning and play
之所以这样做，是因为我们拥有完全不同的固定装置 is what we did because we had completely different fixtures
所以我要对所有人说，请不要过分看 so uh i was going to say to everyone please don't look too closely at the
程序，因为仍在进行编程 program because there is still programming in
从百老汇那里扔到那里，那仍然在 there that was thrown in there you know from broadway that's still on
这本书，因为我们从字面上就像我们曾经 the book because we literally were like we had
新的夹具与这些翻转完全不同的夹具和东西 new fixtures completely different fixtures and stuff from these flips
会好起来的，那就继续吧 would be like okay it's fine let's go keep going it's
好吧，你知道我的意思是东西不是来自正确的方向，但是它 fine you know what i mean stuff wasn't coming from the right direction but it
总体来说是对的，所以我们只是把东西砸了 was generally right so we just pounded stuff in
每天早上试图保持演员阵容领先，我认为我们设法做到了 every morning trying to stay ahead of the cast and i think we managed that
实际上我认为我们从来没有得到过他们从来没有赶上过我们，所以你从 actually i think we never got they never caught us up so you know from
10天就像我们第一次预览一样 10 days go like into first preview we just
一直推着推，推着推，我的意思是 kept pushing and pushing and pushing right i mean
只是我们知道我们必须拥有什么样的外观，所以我们有点 it's just we knew what we had to what it should look like so we just kind of had
使它贯彻这个想法 to make it follow through with that idea
瑞安，如果您向所有人解释 nice ryan if you explained to everyone about
只是发生的设备变更 just the equipment change that took place
公众对百老汇的意义重大 the public up to to broadway was significant for the viewers to
知道你要面对什么大卫 know what what david you had to deal with
你知道从一个剧院到另一个剧院的过渡，因为 that transition you know from one theater to the next because it was very
绝对重要，一件事是 significant absolutely and the one thing um that
你知道吗，我们在一起有我们的歌曲清单，阿曼达 would you know tie up together we have our song song list that amanda
在谈论我们保留的内容，我们会有一个红色箭头和一个 was speaking about that we kept and we would have a red arrow and a
通过纽约的高科技绿色箭头，因此红色 green arrow through tech in new york and so the red
箭头是大卫，我和阿曼达是我们早上一起工作的， arrows were david and i and amanda we worked through in the morning and get
你知道的节目我们排队，山羊喜欢去 the show you know we hit a queue and the goat likes to go
然后我们进行重建，然后我们将有一个绿色小时 and we rebuild and then we'll have the green hour where we were
与tk和技术合作，这真的很有趣 with tk and tech and it was really funny that
汤米会来告诉我我要如何去赶上你我要去 tommy would come and tell how i'm going to get i'm going to catch you i'm going
会抓住你你不想的，那是一个 gonna catch you you don't want to and it was it was a
祝福我们被他们抓住了，我们完成了 blessing we they really caught we we finished the
表演，然后公司像我们一样在一天后完成了表演 show and then the company finished the show literally a day later like we were
太紧了但是有一个 it was so tight but there was one
第一次预演之前的彩排 dress rehearsal before first preview one nonsense
是的，老毒蛇给后雨刮器发出了很棒的声音 yeah yeah and the old viper deal the back wipers make that great sound when
他们走了很长一段距离，演员们从字面上知道什么时候 they're traveling quite a long distance and the cast would literally know when
什么时候东西会翻转，因为那你会听到 when stuff would flip because then you'd hear that
他们走了，你可以听到灯光，所以他们喜欢他们在移动 they go and you can hear the lights so they like they're making the moving
他们模仿电影的灯光，因为 lights they were mimicking the movie lights because
我就像是的，好吧，我知道是的，演员确实模仿了 i was like yeah okay i know yeah the cast literally mimicked the sound of
是的，毒蛇在周围翻转 the vipers yeah flipping around it was pretty
歇斯底里的哦，这太神奇了，嗯，非常酷 hysterical oh that's amazing yeah um very cool
对不起，对不起，嗯，嗯，我们有市区的齿轮清单 sorry oh sorry so um the uh the gear list of downtown we had
vl 2500的开销，然后我们有了vl vl 2500's overhead and then we had the vl
嗯，glp x4s市区，我们喜欢色彩冲击，当我们 um the glp x4s downtown and we had like color blasts and when we
去你那里知道我们坐下来好吗 went to you know we sat down like okay what system do we
需要我们所缺少的，我们进行了很好的交谈，然后我们最终去了 need what are we missing we had a great conversation and then we ended up going
用glp x4 xl和um david就像让我们 with the glp x4 xl's and um david was like let's
你知道我们需要火坑去做，就像我们从没用过灯一样 you know we need the fire pits go for it and we were like we never used the light
就像我说那是主要的 but it was just like i said that was one of the major
当我们搬到x4 xl light的住宅区时的改进 improvements when we moved uptown that x4 xl light
绝对令人惊叹，就像是光束投影仪 is absolutely stunning and it's like a beam projector
我的意思是那太令人惊叹了，每个人都像我想要那盏灯 i mean it's just stunning and everybody was like i want that light
和嗯，所以那是你知道的，然后从VL and um so that was you know that and then going from the vl
距毒蛇2500秒钟，我认为一切翻译得很好 2500s to the vipers um i think everything translated well we
加载了我们的模板并尝试对其进行重做，然后唯一的地方 did our template loads and tried to rework it and then the only place that
我们真的被卡住了，那是倒带，而阿曼达是 we really got stuck was that was rewind and amanda was
谈论模板旋转，因为 talking about with the template rotation because
车轮大卫不像以前那样拥有控制权，那是我们 the control that wheel david didn't have like we had before and that was we were
最终试图去制造商，我们可以控制你吗？ end up trying to go to the manufacturer and can we get control you know
你知道的时间速度，而我们没有任何运气 the time speed of the you know and and we didn't have any luck
然后我们在其中添加了六个VL 3500 um光束清洗阶段 and then we added the vl 3500 um beam wash up stage the six of those
是的，他们只是很漂亮，那是一个很好的 that yeah um they were just gorgeous and that was a nice
嗯，你知道吗广告，然后我们充实了我们添加的常规系统 um you know uh ad and then we fleshed out the conventional systems we added
座椅更换器，然后它是一个受欢迎的项目和嗯 the seat changers which then it was a popular item and um
你知道我们冲走的LED，我们有第二层，我们知道 you know the leds we kind of flushed out we had a second level we had we know
在纽约，我们希望回到那里，因为纽约的商店 and in new york we were hoping to get back there because new york the shop
没有足够的带领齿轮，所以我们有一个大杂烩 didn't have as enough led gear so we have a hodgepodge of i
认为端口大卫的三个不同的LED单元具有颜色 think three different led units that port david had the color
匹配，这样您就不会注意到一个像琥珀一样，另一个像 match so that you wouldn't notice one had like an amber the other one had
一种方式，但嗯，你知道这是伟大的， a way but um you know it's it's great and
现在流行的是看到百老汇版本，因为我们能够适应 what's wild now is seeing the broadway version because we were able to adapt
通过旅行去嗯，清理所有装备，并 through the tours to um get all the gear cleaned up and and
平衡得更好，在设定的范围内 balanced better and in the set um that it's uh
看到百老汇回去很有趣，因为 it's amazing to see going back to broadway and seeing because the
常规做法是在 conventionals are doing the rings where on the on the
先进的产品，所有的移动灯 advanced productions it's all moving lights
嗯，嗯，那是一个很大的装备变更， um so uh but that was it was a big rig shift and
我们可能无法翻转单位以匹配xyz we could we couldn't flip the units to match the xyz
嗯，因为那样会引发另一个问题，所以可怜的大卫 um because then it would have started another problem so poor david
纽约之后他的手指不得不受伤，因为他只是 and his fingers had to hurt after new york because he just
他们上午8点安装了自己的支票，我们正在搬家 8 am they rig his own checked out we're moving
但嗯，我认为那台钻机很漂亮， but um it was i think that rig it was beautiful and
洗灯本来就是我们想要的，而我们安迪·布兰肯·伯恩特勒爱他 the wash lights were originally intended we um andy blankenbuilder loves his
特价商品和how叫声，比如我们必须让您知道我们需要我们需要拥有 specials and howls like we have to have you know we need we need to have
火力被掩盖，那是我们第一次遇到的地方 firepower to go cover and that's where that's one of the first times that we
跟他们走得太远了，这很棒，因为后来 went so far across with them and it was great because then it gave
当我们有亲密的场景时，建筑和空气 when we had intimate scenes the architecture and the air
我们拥有您知道的所有单位，我们可以雕刻并创造出这些不同的 we had all the units that you know we could sculpt and create these different
有助于改变单身的环境，所以我想我怎么想你 environments which helps morph this single set so i think how i think you
知道这种带我们走上齿轮之路 know like that kind of takes us down the gear road
然后当我们进行巡回演出时，我们又有了一些进步 and then when we went on tour we kind of advanced again
是的，我想对于那些还没有 yeah i guess that's an interesting thing for for those who haven't
先进，以表明你知道怎么办，所以你已经 advanced to show you know what so so you've
您在这里度过的时光，您会花费大量的时间在10天内 you've spent here you know massive amounts of time your 10 days getting it
进入百老汇的房子，它被包装，它正在运行 into a broadway house it's it's packaged it's up it's running
它是在表演节目的电工手中 it's in the hands of the electricians that are operating the show um
呃，你知道公司来找你，说可以，我们已经准备好 uh you know the the the company comes to you and says all right we're ready to
做下一站，你要进行什么样的过程 to do the next stop um what what sort of process do you go
通过准备类似的东西 through to get ready for something like that
你如何决定保持什么变化 how do you decide what to keep what to change um
从设计的角度来看，您知道我们总是说 you know from a from a design standpoint you know we always say like
演出永远不会结束，就像是在打开一样，但是当您游览时 a show is never finished it's just open so like but when you hit a tour
你必须要面对的约束是什么 what is the restraint that you have to hold versus
你知道不断变化和变化，你也知道一件事 you know evolving and changing well you know one thing too there's a
游览有b游览有c游览um所以 tours there's b tours there's c tours um so
汉密尔顿在巡回演出中或多或少 hamilton was going to be more or less in the a tour
类别，因此它会给您带来额外的负担，而不是显示 category so it had a extra load in time you know as opposed to shows that
在星期一参加，然后在星期二表演或在星期二参加 go in on a monday and then perform on tuesday or go in tuesday
星期二晚上表演，所以提前了 perform tuesday night so it had an advance
但是我们也必须继续努力，真的，你知道把这只小狗砍下来，所以我们 but yet too we had to work on really you know cutting this puppy down so we
真的可以紧紧地对卡车出价卡车的空间是 could really just bid on the trucks tightly truck space is
总是一件大钱的事情，所以很快就涨了 always a big money thing and go up quickly so um
你知道我们只是经历了所有系统并改变了很多 you know we just kind of went through all the systems and changed a lot of
东西移动灯，摆脱了船 stuff to moving lights and got rid of a boatload
只是花时间让您知道的常规习惯而已 of conventionals that just take time to you know to hang and focus and that sort
的东西，但总体上我的意思是风景优美 of thing but um generally i mean scenically
很多东西都变了，但是它变成了扁平商品而不是硬商品 a lot of stuff changed but it just went to kind of flat goods instead of hard
但您甚至无法说出区别，您知道声音必须重做他们的东西 but you can't even tell the difference you know sound had to redo their stuff
但是嗯，我想你知道旅行团 and but um yeah i think you know the tours
看起来很棒，你知道他们真的只是看起来 look fantastic you know they really just look
很棒，嗯，很高兴看到 amazing and uh but it's good to to see the
百老汇表演，看看该节目如何缩小以适应 broadway show and see how the show has had to scale down to accommodate
你知道其他国家的有形植物 you know physical plants in other countries and
其他电影院，但还没有进行卡车游览从卡车上走下来，看起来 other theaters but yet get in a truck tour come off a truck go up and it looks
您知道这看起来很棒，这是对 it looks great you know and uh that's a tribute to the
对团队来说真的是，但是我讨厌公车发生 to the team really is but i hate when the bus and truck happen
所以我们必须回到棍子上进行两项运动 so we have to go back to two sports on a stick
[笑声]整个圈都会整整一圈 [Laughter] it'll be full circle right the whole
事情会回来，不要从sourceforge模板 thing will come back that down do not templates from sourceforge
我认为只要有馅饼预算 exactly exactly as long as there's a pie budget i think
每个人都会很高兴乌姆瑞安和阿曼达你知道这是什么 everybody will be happy um ryan and amanda you know what is it
那是正确的事你在做什么 what is that sort of take right what are you doing
与其他部门有关，因为这些情况发生了变化 in relation to other departments as these things change
嗯，你知道你好吗，确保你知道这件事 um you know how are you uh ensuring that this thing is is you know
他的房子和卡车准备好了，嗯，让我们聊了一下 his house and truck ready um talk us a little bit through that
我认为我正在为这个过程做准备 process i think for um i was preparing for the
巡回演出我认为最大的好处是决定了多少 tour i think the big thing was that helped dictate a lot is how much
卡车空间，我们是否知道那是大事，并且 truck space do we have you know that was the big thing and and
嗯，你知道我们我们互相看着，我们 um you know we we we looked at each other and we're
就像我们不能削减太多，就像你知道搬家一样 like we can't can't cut much like you know moving
同样，因为这个节目是如此依赖 likewise because this this show is so dependent that is and
你知道我们看着它，它就在那里，你知道我们必须添加它 you know we looked at it and it was just there you know we had to add to it we
不得不用八根电出门，我们知道我们知道造塔 had to go out with eight electrics and we you know we we you know made towers
我们真的很有创意，吉米和克里斯，你知道有一个 we were really creative uh jimmy and chris you know there's a
每个人甚至声音部门之间的来回音量很大 lot of volume back and forth between everybody and even the sound department
您知道的风景区我们可以在这里打个洞吗 scenic department you know can we cut a hole here so the
光线可以比我们不需要的更好地穿过那堵墙 light can travel up that wall better than we don't need this
这是很多来回的学习，我认为我们做了很多 it was a lot of back and forth and a lot of learning i think we did a lot of
学习芝加哥何时上升，我们能够 learning when chicago went up and we were able to
变形，然后找到新的解决方案，然后像伦敦 kind of morph and find new solutions um and then like london
来了，然后变成了您知道的更大版本 came and then that became a bigger version you know of
每次演出时我们了解到的知识 things that we learned you know every time we mount the show
房子的前面给了我们不同的场景，我们可以和 the front of house gives us different different scenarios that we can and
做不到，我们不断学习和发现哦，看起来很棒，让我们 can't do and we keep learning and finding oh that looks great there let's
这样做，所以我想你知道那件事 do this and so i think um you know on that end
我们能够找到一个幸福的平衡 we were um able to find a happy balance the good
关于您的事情，我们从零开始就知道开销 thing about you know overhead from zero up we is always
一致，这就是演出的火力所在 consistent and that's where the firepower of the show is
嗯，然后大卫在以后做了出色的工作，例如我们如何重新创建每个 um and then david did a brilliant job later like how do we recreate this every
之夜，因为它不是十个重点 night because it's it's not 10 focuses either you know and
我认为阿曼达那时必须对她进行大量的重新设计 i think amanda then had to do a lot of re-engineering on her end
是的，我也会在那 yeah well and i'll just chime in too that um
与此不同的是，有两个 something that was kind of unique about this was that there was two
在芝加哥和旧金山坐下来之前，必须传统上游览 sit downs in chicago and san francisco before it had to traditionally tour
对所有部门，尤其是我们来说，这是一个很好的选择 so um for all departments and especially us that was a good
学习时间来真正凝结并清理它，因为 learning uh time to really condense things and clean it up because
就像我们热爱百老汇，我们喜欢它的外观，但是有很多 like we love broadway we love how it looks but there's a lot uh
你知道那里有很多细节 you know there's a lot of detail thrown in there that
原本无法巡回演出，但他们有责任 wasn't going to be able to tour and but they the team has a responsibility to
他们真正记得自己的所有创意 all the creatives that they really remember what they're
看着所以我们他们你知道瑞恩和大卫， looking at so we they you know ryan and david and
hal真的非常仔细地考虑了 hal really thought very carefully about um the
他们将需要进行的更改，以确保他们仍然可以 changes that they were going to need to make making sure that they could still
提供节目的外观和其他 provide the look of the show and and the other
您之前提到的昵称与 thing that you mentioned earlier nick about like with
现在与部门互动 interacting with departments there is now existing
对于旅行来说，基本上就像联合编舞的舞台管理 for the tours a basically like joint um choreography stage management
移动光，您知道焦点文件，但我们没有 moving light you know focus point document we didn't have that going out
在芝加哥和圣地亚哥市上方发展起来的纽约 in new york that developed over chicago and san
弗朗西斯科，因为您知道我们需要的每个人 francisco because you know every we we need the person
谁将能够专注于特色菜上 who's going to be able to focus the specials to put them on
八六八，或者其他什么，不可能有任何时间 eight six and eight or whatever and there can't there won't be any time on
游览以讨论您是否正确 the tour to discuss whether that's you know correct
还是没有，所以您知道ryan的文档有助于开发 or not so that document you know ryan helped develop
我们现在拥有的东西，就像戴夫一样，提出了伟大的新想法 that we now have and in the same way like dave came up with great new ideas
有关如何聚焦包括高架摄像机的演出的信息 for how to focus the show that include the overhead cameras
据我所知，我不相信戴夫以前曾以这种方式集中演出 it's my knowledge i don't believe dave ever focused the show that way before
所以嗯，就像瑞安说的那样，这是一个巨大的学习过程， so um it was a it's like ryan said it's been a giant learning process uh to
能够保持当时的惊人外观 be able to keep the amazing look at in the time
我们知道的框架大卫，您有什么要排序的吗 frame that we know yeah david do you have anything to sort
谈论，你知道你好吗 of talk about with that you know how are you
你知道什么时候做诸如将其带入百老汇 you know when when you're doing something like bringing it into broadway
您只是在输入诸如预设和调色板之类的内容 you're just putting in stuff like presets and palettes to
完成那一刻，但现在您认为它已经建立，您必须转向 to get that moment done but now you take that it's built and you've got to turn
它到另一个位置，嗯，您如何挑选 it around to another location um how do you go about culling that how
你如何决定一个旅游团队 do you how do you decide what a touring team
有时间去做，你如何把那些东西放下来 has the time to do and how do you bring that stuff down
我们很幸运，我们被给予了我一个星期的时间 we we were lucky that we were given i think we're given a week
整整一周，我相信那是一周 again the whole week i believe it was a week
那个我基本上去了DTC that um basically i went that i went into dtc
基本上进行了反向工程 and basically reverse engineered went through
嗯，带免费视频，经历了每个队列 um with free videos and went through and sat through every queue
然后我该怎么打电话给我 and then went how am i going to call down i
我想说的是超过600个焦点 i want to say it was over 600 pieces of focus
它远远超过600，我认为因为最终我将其降低到600，所以它 it was well over 600 and i think because eventually i got it down to 600 so it
可能不止于此，然后我把它记下来，并最终 was probably more than that and then i got it down and eventually
就像把它缩成一团然后把它缩成一团 like whittled it down and whittled it down whittled it down
嗯，一步一步地完成提示 um by stepping through cue to queue to queue going
这是在这样做的场景中，我该如何复制 this is in the scene that does this how can i replicate that
不会丢失任何东西，所以在编程的汉密尔顿 without losing anything okay so on the hamilton on the programming
项目有四个要点，从后台到 project there is that four main points going from downstage to
基本上，我做了很多工作 upstage and basically i do a lot of a lot of stuff working off
这四点是我主要的事情 those four points so that that was the main thing that i
我们试图下降到我认为我们下降到 we tried to get down to i think we got it down to
我想说400，这只是我的巡回演出 i want to say 400 which for a touring rig i just
仍然是实质性的，不要让所有人走 is still substantial don't let everybody go
你要谈什么，他要集中精力 what are you going to talk how many and he's going to focus it
在八个小时内八个小时内有400个预设 in eight hours eight hours and 400 presets is a lot
是的，你知道吗，我第一次告诉大家我认为我们做到了 yeah you know um i tell everybody the first time i think we did it
在百老汇外面他们给了我八个三小时 outside of broadway was they gave me eight three hour
三八个小时的时间集中精力钻机，这使我有效地将我带到了24小时 three eight hour days to focus the rig took me took me effectively 24 hours to
专注，所以我们知道，所以嗯，指出了很多 focus so we knew so so uh pointing out that a lot of
这些焦点就像精心排列的快门线一样 these focuses are like carefully lined up shutter cuts
和模板方向和东西不一样 and template orientation and stuff it's not like
不是像哦，只是在那边放一盏灯 it's not like oh just put a light over there yeah
他们很固执他们不只是不，如果你看节目的话 they're persnickety they're not just like no no if you watch the show there's
很多东西，一切都来自一个 a lot of stuff where the everything flows from one
变成另一个，所以我们从一个角落开始 into another so we start in one in one corner
一切都从变形变成其他东西改变了彩色图案卷 everything grows out of that morphs into something else changes color gobos roll
我的意思是说，如果你在这里搞砸了 i mean so if you screw something up over here
你就完成了接下来的20个30线索 you're you're done for like the next 20 30 cues
我的意思是你必须先扭转然后再回去 i mean you've got to then reverse and then you've got to go back and go
就像为什么会那样翻转哦，是因为我做了，所以有一个 like why did that flip oh it's because i made so there was a
这个家伙在路上的过程 very much a process of when the guy's on the road
我就像你必须不能混在一起，你必须非常 i was like you have to you can't muck around with this you have to be very
精确，所以我们很幸运，我们有一些很棒的 precise about it so we're lucky that we have some great
在那里的伟大的电工，你知道，嗯，照顾这个钻机 great electricians out there you know um that take care of this rig
他们都非常喜欢圣洁 and they're all very much like holy how
我们要这样做，他们已经做好了，我的意思是 we're going to do this and they've got it down i mean
他们现在真的在做那些家伙 they they really do now those guys get it down
我不知道他们再也不用了八个小时 i don't know they didn't take them eight hours anymore
我认为很多人都在这样做，除非很好，不要告诉太多 a lot of them i think are doing it unless so well don't tell too many
没错的人 people that right
是的，你知道你知道我只想说 yeah you know you know i just want to say
虽然这是我们第一次尝试传统的现场通话 though it was the first time we tried with traditional spot calling
因为在芝加哥，我们都在那里呆了一段时间 because in chicago we were all there for a while
所以嗯，你知道我们有一个现场呼叫者，但是 so um you know we there was a spot caller but
嗯，整个团队最初的三个失落地点是整个表演 um that whole team those original three fall spots took that whole show from
芝加哥的营业处关闭，所以旧金山是我们第一次 there it's opening to close in chicago so san francisco was the first time we
我们有一个不可思议的女人安和我们一起工作过， had our uh wonder woman ann with us who um i worked closely with to
产生很多表演的呼声， develop a lot of the calling of the show and
呃，你知道我们真的很想知道这会起作用吗 uh you know we were really wondering is this gonna work
因为嗯，尤其是刚开始的时候，你知道很多 because um you know especially in the beginning you get out there with a lot
穿着相同服装的人，这些拾音器的速度非常快 of people in the same costume and these pickups are really fast
你知道的，所以不管他们迟到还是不好看 you know so it's not gonna look good if they're late or not
所以嗯，你知道看到这真是太神奇了 so um you know it was pretty amazing to see
嗯，她在旧金山，刚打来电话，然后 uh she was in san francisco and just really honed in on her calling and then
第一次在洛杉矶打电话，我从未打电话 called for the first time in la and i never called
啦，这真是令人惊讶，它确实可以正常工作 la and that was pretty amazing see that it was indeed going to work
一件事，所以我们做到了那种 one thing so we had done that previz to kind of
分解节目，然后我们实际上飞了 break down the show but then we actually flew
到旧金山公司转移到洛杉矶的地方 to la where the the san francisco company transferred to la
然后将光盘放入它们要穿过的地方 and we put the disc in they were going to run through where
帕特里克（帕特里克）要去那里，他们正在现金流转 patrick was going to be there and they were doing a cash run through
我们就像让我们看看会发生什么，甚至看谁注意到 and we're like let's see what happens and see even who notices
之所以改变，是因为它绝对很棒 this change because what was absolutely brilliant
你不能告诉你，如果你真的看起来可以找到一些地方 you you can't tell you if you really look you can find a few places that were
被骗了，但看起来像是演出，也喜欢你 cheated but it looks like the show and like you
我就像大卫，你是一个绝对的天才，就像 it was i was like david you're an absolute genius like
这个人太聪明了，我们坐在那儿跑了过去，帕特里克 the man is so brilliant and we sat there and ran that run through and patrick
来到中场休息，他走了，我没有发现任何不同，他 came up to intermission he goes i don't notice anything different and he
从那以后他一直在看演出吗？ has he's been seeing the show he's been with the show since
市中心，他会上前给我一些看起来像是不同的音符，是的，我们 downtown and he would come up to give me notes that looks different like yeah we
这样的眼睛真漂亮，他 kind of this this is such a beautiful eye and he
可以找到我们改变的每件事 could find every little thing that we changed and
当我们带着那张唱片跑的时候，他没有注意到la he did not notice anything in l.a when we ran with that disc and
那将是巡演唱片，我认为那是一件事 that was going to be the touring disc and i think the one thing that's
重要的是，我们真的知道汉密尔顿何时在路上 important that we really you know when hamilton goes on the road the
重要的是表演必须要坚持一点 important thing is the show has to hang on its points
这也有助于像um的船员 and that is what also helps the crew like um
人们总是谈论锤子网格或任何主网格， there was always talk of a hammer grid or any of that master grid and
嗯，我们投票赞成，只有当演出能够坚持下去时 um we kind of voted around that it was only if the show can hang on its points
这样我们就可以在如此大的焦点下移动一个如此大小的节目 that can we can move a show this size with this amount of focuses
而且我认为您知道那个制作团队的才华 and i think that you know the brilliance of that production team
吉米和他的团队，你知道他们做得非常出色，他们确实 that jimmy and his team you know they just do an amazing job and they do
每当我们去参观的时候，表演都很棒 whenever we go to visit it's the show it's amazing
我认为这是非常重要的一点，就像您知道的那样 and i think that's a really important point right is that like you know for
关于一切正常的重大决策 those big logical decisions about like okay everything
零的上升阶段在相同位置完全相同 up stage of zero is exactly the same it's in the same position
你知道像这样一个简单的看似简单的选择 you know a simple seemingly simple choice like that
使东西变得如此庞大，现在变得更容易实现，您知道咀嚼 makes something so massive now more attainable you know chewing on the
象阿曼达说的大象很好 elephant as amanda said well it's also something
之所以提供给我们，是因为玛丽·汉密尔顿 that was afforded to us because mary hamilton
你不能每次旅行都坚持不下去 you can't you can't with every tour insist
不会有束缚或知道你的观点 that there won't be a bandshell or that you get your points you know
我喜欢开头和瑞安（Ryan um）指出的方式 i like how pointed out in the beginning and ryan um
您必须在给定的范围内工作，但幸运的是 you you have to work with the confines of what you're given but luckily
汉密尔顿非常成功，以至于把它带给了制片人， hamilton has been so successful that they took it to the producers and
说你知道这是如果我们想让节目看起来像这样 said you know this is if we want the show to look like this
这是我们必须拥有的东西，他们把它放进了作者， this is something we have to have and they put it in the writer and it's
是 been
嗯，令人惊讶的是他们在星期二晚上表演 um it's pretty amazing is that they do a tuesday night show
这绝对是从上方加载它们 that was an absolute like from above they load in they have
订阅要有星期二星期二晚上的节目 to have a tuesday tuesday night show for the subscriptions
因为他们要卖整个季节的订阅 because they're selling full seasons of subscriptions
我们都希望我们不可能像这样 and we all want the how we're like this is impossible we were like this
你知道，相反，你知道我的意思是，他们就像必须有一个 and you know instead you know i mean they were like there's it has to be a
星期二晚上的表演，你知道他们到底有什么 tuesday night show and you know what in the end they have
他们的周二晚上表演，从那以后一直很棒，但是就像阿曼达说的 their tuesday night shows and it's been amazing ever since but like amanda said
当他们第一次这样做时，我们实际上是在西雅图办理登机手续 when they first did that we we were actually checking in seattle
当他们搬家时，我们就像分裂的团队，因为 when they moved la so we had like split teams because it
我们两个都生产两次 was we were both in production twice in two
地方，我们越来越像每小时打来的电话，我们一切都好吗 places and we were getting like hourly phone calls how's everything are we good
它会按时完成吗？我的意思是就像我们在技术领域一样 is it going to make it on time i mean it was like a nail biting we were in tech
但对其他举动如此紧张，以至于我们 but so nervous about the other move that we
不能集中精力，然后我想像大卫和阿曼达一样动弹不得 couldn't focus and then i think like david and amanda shot to the move
然后我在另一个地点，我们有另一个程序员 and then i were at the other and the other spot and we had another programmer
进来，然后他们离开，那是疯狂的 come in and then they left it was it was crazy
我想你怎么知道的，部门主管的年龄是多少？ i guess how do you you know and how old is sort of head of the department and
你知道如何开始管理你知道的 you know how do you start managing that you know
您有一个节目足够庞大，可以上传 you've one one show is is gigantic enough to get in and upload
去，你知道你什么时候有新的节目 going and you know when you've got a show in new
维持的纽约，大概他们有 york that's maintaining and presumably they have
问题和问题，您已经在 questions and issues there and you've installed companies in
在各个城市中，现在您在路途上会遇到很多人 in various cities and now you've got people on the road venue to venue
这一切的管理是什么样的，团队如何 what is the administration of all of that look like how does the team
um管理工作室如何保持所有运作 um manage that how does the studio keep all that running
好吧，我认为ryan的团队非常成功 well i think ryan's been very successful putting together a great team
你知道我们有几个人很了解这个节目 you know that we have several people that know the show well
和所有部门的um，所以它正在编排，计划和工作 and um in all departments so it is orchestrating and planning and working
约会之类的事情，但不，他在那里做得很好 out dates and that sort of thing but um no he's done a great job there as
只是节目的管理部分 far as just an administration part of the show
将正确的人放在正确的位置非常好 very good putting the right people in the right place
嗯，我们有几个关于呃的问题 um we've gotten several questions about uh
你知道这对任何人都不足为奇 you know it's no surprise to anyone i think that uh
纽约演出的电影在迪士尼+上映 the filming of the new york show was released on disney plus
嗯，在过去的这个周末，你知道你的灯光如何，你知道一个或两个节目 uh this past weekend um you know how you've lit you know one or two shows on
如今的百老汇，你知道这是怎么回事 broadway nowadays um you know what what is the process for
准备一个节目准备拍摄，嗯，我知道他们 getting a show ready for filming um i know that they
存档很多百老汇节目，嗯，怎么回事 archive a lot of broadway shows um how is
汉密尔顿不同于一般的存档过程 hamilton different from sort of that general archival process
而且你知道你期望什么 and kind of you know what do you expect to
维护，以及您打算在设计中损失什么？ maintain and what do you expect to lose as part of the design when you're going
很好地了解这种新媒体，您知道什么是新媒体 to that new media well you know what's a new media for me
特别是在这类胶卷拍摄中，有很多相机在滚动 especially with this type of film shoot where they had so many cameras rolling
你一直都知道，但是一件很棒的事 all the time you know um but one great thing about
进入手拍电影的是，他们希望个人保留 going into hand film is that they wanted the pers to preserve the
戏剧作品的外观，我的意思是那很重要 look of the theatrical production i mean that was the big thing
他们不想让你知道在街上摆场景还是你 they didn't want to you know put a scene on a street or you
知道这样的事情我是说他们想拍摄戏剧表演 know something like that i mean they wanted to shoot the theater show
所以我们几乎不得不修改每个多维数据集，但是 so we pretty much had to modify every cube but just
你知道这要么是升级，就是降低 you know it was either leveling up leveling down
为眼睛增加一些插座灯，我的意思是你知道，但这是 adding some socket light for eyes i mean you know but it was
它正在整个节目中进行，只是确保 it was going through the whole show and just making sure that
您知道相机的镜头很好，但是其中的摄制组 the cameras had a good shot you know but the the film crew that came in they
你真的很棒，他们在一起行动 were really awesome you know and they had their act together
他们知道我们在一起时他们拥有的 they you know they they had when we were all another very
整个时间表非常紧张 very tight schedule through that whole
过程如此嗯，但伙计们真的很好 process so um yeah but the guys were really good
他们知道他们想要什么，所以就在那儿，您知道自己已经中途了 and they knew what they wanted so right there you know you're halfway
在赛道周围，您知道这真的很有帮助 around the track you know it's really helpful
我们并没有寻找很多东西，任何时候都有讨论 we weren't searching for a lot of things and anytime there was a discussion
休息了一下，很快就解决了，我们又回到了 there was a break it was done quickly a solution was made and we were back on
你知道什么是惊人的，我的意思是我认为那很棒 you know what's amazing i mean i think that that's great that they were
所以希望保留实际经验 so uh keen to to preserve the actual experience
他们在后期进行的色彩校正很漂亮 and the color correction they did in post was beautiful
听起来不错，我的意思是说，这只是一个奇迹 and uh sounded great i mean uh just a miraculous job
他们做得很好，我想向他们致敬 they did a great job well i think what a great homage to
你们所有时间所做的就是真正保留这种室内体验 what you all do all the time is to to really preserve that in-room experience
你肯定是肯定的 and you know it's it's definitively a
与电视或电影不同的艺术，是的，真的，非常真实，嗯 different art than tv or film so yeah true very true um
我在重新观看时注意到的一件事是我很高兴 one of the things that i noticed in in rewatching that i had the pleasure to
在纽约看到它，但我显然看着 see it in in new york um but i obviously watched
这个周末也是，嗯，你知道地板和 it this weekend as well um you know the the floor and the
嗯，这是一个很大的声音 movement um is is a big voice
至少对我来说，在表演中嗯，你知道我去过好几本 for me at least um in in the show um you know i i've been to several texts
与你们一起谈论话题 with y'all and so talk about sort of the setup of where
每个人都在房间里，而我要问的首要问题 everybody is in the room and and the leading question i'm asking
就像谁在处理地板和事物 is like who's kind of dealing with the floor and with things
在乐团层面上可能很难看清，那是什么 that maybe are harder to see on a on an orchestra level and what's that
喜欢与艺术性与功能性的关系 relationship like to for artistic versus functionality
好吧，我将从那开始，因为我认为我认为这源于 well i'll start that one because i think i think for me it stemmed from the
纽曼，我的意思是因为这是对的奥迪，我的意思是 newman i mean because it's it's a right audi i mean
你知道我是说听众，所以每个人最初我是说每个人 you know i mean the audience so everybody initially i mean everybody
从豪厄尔到瑞安再到导演，他们都坐在 from howell to ryan to the director to they all were sitting at
他们在舞台上低头的时候 a point where they were looking down at the stage
所以对所有人来说，这是关于地板的 so it was for everybody it was about the floor i mean
你开始成为一个关于 you started being it started being a show about
对，你知道我的意思，因为那是每个人都在看的东西 right you know what i mean because that's what everybody was looking at
那是我们最大的风景，所以你知道 that was our biggest piece of scenery so that's you know that
它起源于那里，然后罗杰斯在某种程度上是相同的 it stems to stem from there and then the rogers is the same to a degree it's
相当我会说80或更多 quite a i would say what 80 or more of that
观众看到了您所知道的缺陷，所以当我们击中芝加哥时， audience sees the flaw you know so when we hit chicago and it
那并没有中断，我想我是唯一一个被释放的人 that wasn't break i think i was the only one that freed
吓坏了我就像每个人都会讨厌每个人都不会 was freaking out i was like everyone's gonna hate it everyone's not gonna
他们不会，那不是没有发生那样的事，你完全知道我 they're not gonna it didn't didn't happen that way at all you know what i
就是说我花了更多时间哦 mean it just meant i spent more time going oh
我想看到更多的空气，你知道我的意思是相当 i want to see more air you know what i mean it was quite an
盯着地板后对我来说有趣的转变 interesting turnaround for me after staring at the floor
我也要走这么久哦，我们能为什么为什么我们看到更多的豆子 for so long also i'm going oh we can why why are we seeing more beans
你知道我的意思，所以它确实使演出再次发展，但是 you know what i mean so it really evolved the show again but
变得有点像芝加哥之后的某种方式成为无檐小便帽，这就是我的 becoming a little it became a beanie in a way after chicago so that's my
感觉我们叫大卫为地板警察，他会说哦地板看起来 sense we call david the floor police and he'll say oh the floor looks
可怕的你们在做什么 horrible what are you guys doing
你知道他对他的好处，尤其是 that's a good point from him you know and especially with
汉密尔顿，我们知道地板必须真正用作地毯 hamilton we knew the floor had to really serve as a carpet
你知道能够分解它 you know just to be able to break it up you know
从一个完整的舞台一直到长凳到桌子， uh from a full stage down to a bench to a table to some you know a couple
椅子，所以必须非常灵活， chairs so it had to be very flexible and just did
你知道有两个转盘，就是这样 you know having two turntables and that was it
你知道我们是有限的，所以我们必须有很多 you know we were kind of limited so we had to have a lot of
地板的灵活性，这就是我们所有人都在对待地板的那种方式 flexibility on that floor and that's kind of what we all treated the floor
就像大地毯一样 like as a big carpet
就像我记得在芝加哥的议案一样，我去了全场 and the motion like i remember in chicago i went to the full spot booth
我说我首先想到的是我想为每个队列拍照 and i said the first thought i had is i want to take a picture of every queue
我们可以像日历一样制作目录，这只是我的意思 and we can make a catalog like a calendar it's just i mean from
如果您看不到地板，就会知道 every you know if you don't see the floor in
像这样的节目，不仅增加了微妙和性感 the show like it adds so much to the just the subtlety and the sexiness
我的意思是，您知道它确实会添加，而且这是 i mean it you know it really just adds and it's the beautiful blend of the
常规和移动灯，清洗灯和LED上传我 conventional and the moving light and the wash lights and the led upload i
就是说这是杀人的大师班 mean it is just it's it's a master class in in killing
在质地上，一切都令人惊叹 in texture and everything it's you know stunning
我要补充一点，我们不是唯一的 and i'll add that we aren't the only ones on the
认为这就像导演和编舞一样 think this the like director and choreography
经常上楼，他们喜欢从那里看 frequently get upstairs um they love seeing it from up there
您在此过程的早期就知道了，这太神奇了 that's amazing you know early on in the process
就像在我们有观众之前，他们在楼上一样 as well like before we have an audience they're upstairs
但是也 but also
当我们现在安装这些节目时，一件事情令人惊奇 one thing is amazing about when we mount these shows now
是现在舞蹈编排来到我们这里，所以他们知道 is that the choreography comes to us now so they know that
我们要做的是我们不做客人照明，而是做事实照明 what we do is we don't we don't do guest lighting we do factual lighting
我们根据事实数字重新制作了这个节目 we recreate this show based off of factual numbers
所以我们过去做的所有猜谜游戏都消失了 and so all the guessing game we do back in the day is gone
就像我们有数字，我们有足迹和大卫，你知道的是 like we have numbers and we get foot marks and david you know is
只是出色的工程师而已，因此没有任何猜测 is just brilliantly engineers it in that there's no guessing so
安迪会说你知道戒烟会变成你需要去的地方 andy would say you know quit go into that special that's where you need to be
如果有什么事情，我们会拥有这项技术 and it would come to us if there was ever a thing what we would have the tech
桌子是两个屏幕，一个的mla照片正好显示 table is two screens one with the mla photo showing exactly
我们在哪里，然后我们会在 where we are and then we would have a video on the
屏幕下方，我们可以来回擦洗以准确显示所有人 screen below so we can scrub back and forth to show everybody exactly
那是什么，所以你知道它是无缝的 what it was so that it's you know it's seamless
因为我们也有很多时间，但是 because also we've been having a lot of time but then
这是事实，您在我们的提示表中知道它具有 it's fact lighting you know in our cue sheet it has
零留给那个特殊的两个，所以它写在多个地方， zero left two up for that specials so it's written in multiple places and it
全部排列，所以我们每次都在同一页面上 all lines up so we're all on the same page every time
世界各地的每件作品 every production around the world
真是太神奇了，我知道你花了一些时间来买东西 it's amazing and david i know that you put some time into getting that stuff
一起进行编程项目，您知道 together for the the programming project and you know
那就是旅行团的东西 that's that's the stuff that that the tours are
用来正确地把它带回来的 using to to bring it back right right well that's
为什么在最后 why at the end towards the end of the
我们在um theodosia中添加的项目是um project we we added in um theodosia which was um
ii，你知道我们在踩脚印，我就像尼克 i i you know we were putting in the foot marks and i was like oh nick
你知道最初我们有一个叫做Theodosia的专注假人 you know initially we had this focusing dummy called theodosia
你知道，所以在编程项目中，我们 you know so so in the programming project we
我们放了一个你知道的东西，叫做狄奥多西亚，所以你可以把她放在 we put in an object that was you know we called theodosia so you could put her at
你知道最右边加上两个，你知道狄奥多西亚会搬到那里， you know far right plus two you know theodosia would move there and
希望那会带来一些乐趣 so that that was hopefully a little bit of fun
那个有人做你知道的项目实际上是发生的 that that anybody that does the project you know it is actually happened we had
所以真正的开始在旧金山 so the real was in started in san francisco
我认为也许是芝加哥，这是旧金山 i think maybe it was chicago that was san fran
她出现在旧金山，我们总是把嗯 she showed up in san francisco we were always putting um
麦克风站立在纸上或头顶假发，以大卫为重点 mic stands with paper or with a wig head around for david for his focus to help
在演员们在那里之前集中表演 focus the show before the cast was out there and uh
我什至不记得谁 someone i can't even i can't remember who
正式下令，我们永远都不会发现 officially ordered it we never we never found out for the longest time
我做到了但是我忘了 i did but i forgot
一个完整的模特，像呃，你知道像黑发假发， a full mannequin with like uh you know like dark-haired wig and
戏服给了她一个多余的呃 costumes gave her like a spare um uh
所以我们有一个真实的um人体模型为他移动 so we had an actual real-life um mannequin to move around for him that
我们命名了adoja惊人的鞋子，这是看不见的 we named the adoja amazing shoes here's the unseen
跟你一起旅行的角色，是的，演员们真的很喜欢她 character that traveled with you yeah the cast got really attached to her she
会在后台闲逛 would hang out backstage
每个人都和她合影很有趣 everyone take pictures with her yeah it was pretty funny
但这取决于您的观点 but it comes down to your point of you could put
那时把它放到你的道场上，那是因为你知道我们已经 put it to your dojo at that point and that was it was that you know we've been
非常非常准确地知道东西在哪里 very very you know accurate about where stuff has
顺利进行，我认为这很有趣 to go well and i think it's an interesting
对话，因为我知道您有点像 conversation because i you know the fact that that you were sort of the
呃，你知道房间里的尺子是否正在编排 uh the ruler in the room as it were you know if choreography is coming to you
嗯，是否有其他部门因为您的精确而来找您 um if other departments are coming to you because of your precision
嗯，我认为那确实是一件有趣的事 um i i think that's a really just an interesting thing
嗯，这与我们提出来的一个问题有关 um it kind of ties into a question that we had come in um which is
讨论一些阶段管理和呼叫 discussing um uh sort of stage management and calling
um以及将多少节目设置为显示控制um um and and how much of the show is is set up to either show control um
或者或者您知道是否存在同步的事物 or or you know are there are there things that are synchronized that are
自动播放或整个节目的多样性 auto goes or what is sort of the diversity of that throughout the show
你知道你如何决定什么 and you know how do you decide what is um
一个人打电话与同步 called by a person versus what is synchronized
我认为ryan您可以解决，是的，让我们开始吧 i think ryan you can handle that yeah let's take the let's
这样做是每次我们见面时都会 do that it's every every time we met the show with a
新的舞台经理，这是一个争论点 new stage manager it's a it's a point of contention
嗯，但我有四分之一的节目作为 um but there's i say a quarter to the show as
作为midi触发器，但也有一些来自声音控制台，有的来自 as midi triggers but also some come from the sound console and some come from the
坑，我们有一个很好的跟踪表 pit and we have a nice track sheet of what
来到你知道哈密尔顿命中的地方 comes where um you know the hamilton hits
有很多类似的事情是如此紧迫，以至于我们想要得到 there's a lot of like things where it which is so so tight that we want to get
摆脱人为的错误或声音效果，我们想要排队 rid of human error or sound effects we want to line up um
然后有时候也有中间自动化， and then there's also times where there is mid automation and there's a
呼叫队列和自动重新接听 call queue and automation picks back up again
嗯，这非常棘手，嗯，这就是jb production so it's very very tricky um and uh that's what's great is jb the production
创办原始公司的舞台经理 stage manager who did the original company
总是在我们重新放映节目时，他们 it's always when we're remounting a show and they um
我们有舞台经理打电话给视频，所以他们总是在准备之前 the stage managers we have calling videos so they're always prepped before
进来，我们最终进入了科技领域 coming in and we ended up in tech just kind of
得到为他们澄清他们应该是什么的细节 getting the minutiae of clarifying for them what they should be
感觉到那个电话，所以您知道他们何时感到尴尬 feeling for that call so you know when they feel it awkward about
我们称其为帮助我们澄清这一点 calling it we kind of help to clarify that and that
似乎有助于节目紧实 that seems to help the show is so tight that
当您略微偏离时，它就会被注意，而um和 when you are a little off it's noticed and um and and
kim在芝加哥与我们在一起的声望经理之一 kim one of our prestige managers that have been with us in chicago
嗯，真的很棒，每个舞台经理都有点曲折 um has been really great and there's every stage manager has a little twist
嗯，那里总是有提示，对于他们来说，这就像棘手的队列 um where there's a cue always a queue that is like tricky for them that
他们是自己创造的，而你知道吗，其中之一 they kind of made their own and it's you know uh one of them's
而第二幕的第一幕，你知道 and the first in the second act um where you know that the
嗯，点唱机之类的，但是他们每个人都喜欢 the um the jukebox or whatever the the but um they uh everybody had like
卡梅隆芝加哥只是无法在我们这里称呼它 cameron chicago just couldn't call it where we
想要它，所以我们让他把它放到他拥有它的地方，最后它就像 wanted it so we let him land it where he had it and it ended up it was like
看起来很棒，但仍然可以传达想法，我们都很高兴 it looks great it still gets the idea across and we're all happy
是的，但我认为 yeah but i think um
我去吧，如果我们去伦敦，你不知道展会上的自动化吗 i'll go ahead no you know the automation in the show if we went to london um
当Midi掉下来的时候，人们有点工作量，我们 people get a little worked up when the midi goes down and we
现在我们非常清楚 had now we're very clear about the training of
坑里的人，他们完全知道自己喜欢他们触发了 the people in the pit that they know exactly that they like they trigger the
行为1结束时的停电 blackout at the end of acts 1. you know that rumor hits it hits a thing
而且我们都去黑了，嗯，你呢 and and we all go to black and um they you
知道每个舞台经理都会变得非常敏感 know like every stage manager gets very sensitive
关于Midi，我们只是澄清一下，就像您知道的一样 about about the midi and we just clarify it's like you know
该因素的人为错误要大得多 the the human error of that factor is much larger
而不是我们可以获得所需精度的技术 than the technical that we can get the accuracy that we're looking for
所以一旦我进行了对话，以及如何进行对话，因为 and so once i have the conversation and how brought it up because it's
每次我们有一个新的舞台经理时，都是像三个或三个以上的对话 every time we have a new stage manager it's it's a conversation like three or
四个预览，我们必须要 four previews in that we have to kind of
清楚说明为什么正是以这种方式构建和控制了演出 have the clarity of why exactly the show is built and controlled this way
特别是在节目中的所有战斗序列中 especially through all the battle sequences in the show
我的意思是让它们被称为“一致”的唯一方法是显示代码 i mean the only way to get them called consistent was to show code them
嗯，你知道大卫和瑞恩，而音响部门做得很出色 and uh you know david and ryan and the sound department did an exquisite job
只是将其分层以及它将如何完成 just layering that in and how it was going to be done
并找出最适合执行这些提示的方法，因此 and finding out what would work best for to execute those cues so there's quite a
在整个过程中有大量的 substantial amount of uh many throughout this
表演的过程，我们非常感谢 course of the show which we're very thankful for we're
回到那天，我知道你没有听到这个消息，但是我们没有你知道的 back in the day i know you ain't hearing this but we didn't have that you know so
这是已开发的另一种伟大的技术工具 it's another great tool of technology that's developed
ii会发出声音，即nevin和jason以及 and i i would chime in about that that the sound nevin and jason and the
ableton程序员和scott wasserman，他们的音乐和声音团队是如此 ableton programmers and scott wasserman they the music and sound team is so
对此，我们很幸运 precise on this that we are very fortunate to
与应该去的地方进行很好的沟通 have great communication about where something is supposed to go
并非总是如此，或者你知道你 that's not always the case or you know you
如果您允许它跌落，可能会冒险 you might be taking a risk if you're allowing it to fall
如果时间码就像改变音乐，尤其是音乐 musically especially um if time code is like changing
经常出现，但是我们从未在这个特定的节目中遇到过这个问题 frequently but we've never had that issue on this particular show because
他们对一切都保持很好的跟踪 they keep so so well track of everything
所以他们非常照顾我们 so they take really good care of us
太神奇了，但您知道我认为这总体上是一种um节目 it's amazing but you know i think that's something sort of um shows in general
您知道我们的创意合作伙伴 right you know the our our creative partners and
听众，您是否知道对 audiences are you know that expectation of really
时间紧迫，事情联系在一起 tight timing and and things linking up
一起变得越来越普遍 together um is becoming a lot more prevalent and
在我们的世界中进行现场表演，所以我当然认为 in our world in live performance and so i certainly think
人们要求更多的东西 it's something that people are requesting more
嗯，确切地说是再次回到工作人员 um exactly going back to staff again though it's
嗯，只要您有合适的团队来实现这些目标 um as long as you have the right team in place to make those things happen
一直那么你很好，但是有些节目确实要求 consistently then you're good but there are some shows that do request that
没有那些人到位，你必须解释为什么 that don't have those people in place you have to explain why that's
你要问的风险很大 pretty risky what you're asking
非常好的大卫，在与团队合作时，您还有其他想法吗？ very good david do you have any other thoughts on on working with the team the
其他部门把这些东西带进来 other departments on on bringing that stuff in
嗯，因为他们说的很好，我正在与ableton程序员瑞恩一起工作 um no early on as they said well i'm working with the ableton programmer ryan
我会是你知道那不像他在你那里 and i would be you know it wasn't like he was like where do you
想要它就像我们想要它 want it like we want it
因为花了一点飞机才能拿到它 because it took a little bit of a plane to get it
降落在那个能干的家伙知道应该去的地方以及我所知道的地方 to land where the ableton guy knew what it should be and where either i knew
它应该在灯光互动的时候来 that it should come by the time the lights interacted with
该程序，是的，这很有趣，这是一个很好的过程 the programs so yeah it was fun it was a good process
你知道直到第一次 you know until the first time it didn't work
我们就像在哪里备份，他们就像呃 we were like where's the backup and they're like uh
我敢肯定，虽然可以，但是很快就能解决 i'm sure that's something that gets resolved very quickly though yeah yeah
嗯，把它带回去吧，你知道艺术方面的声音吗 um kind of bringing it back to uh you know a artistic side howell um
你知道在表演和表演中 you know in in the cubing and in the show in general you
你非常依赖侧光嗯，你非常依赖 you rely a lot on side light um you rely a lot on
脚照明嗯，您要进行的处理是什么 foot lighting um what was sort of your process to come to
您知道的角度非常明亮 angles you know it's a very uh dramatically lit
告诉你你的过程是什么样的 show um what what was sort of your process to
来雕刻出那些看起来嗯，并放置 to arrive at carving out those looks um and placing
太空装置 fixtures in space
这是一个很好的问题，我想你知道我们很幸运有这些 that's a great question i think you know we were very fortunate to have these
侧面开口舞台左右可以挤压的地方 side openings stage right left where we could squeeze
在这些小型热潮中，您知道，他们拥有标准杆， in these mini booms you know and they were they had pars and
利科斯人，他们有一个很棒的小叮当，嗯，所以 licos and they had a great shin buster and uh so a
你们中很多人都知道我们的合奏舞蹈数字 lot of the you know the ensemble dance numbers we
会给他加框并开始 would pretty much kind of rimmed him and start
他从一侧的胫骨只是为了模拟舞台的到来 with his shins from one side just to model the stage coming
从一侧看，因为那很棒 from one side because what was great about that
是如何照亮布景另一侧的上部的 is how it would light up the upper part of the other side of the set
你知道，那是我认为的巨大资产 you know so that was i think a huge asset to
只有那些小的开口，相信我，它们并不大 have those just those little openings and believe me they're not big
并与大箍的女孩试图通过 and with girls with big hoops trying to get through
我的意思是，这是一场真正的交通拥堵，但是 i mean it's a real traffic jam you know but uh
你知道这就像我们必须以某种方式撕裂每一件 you know it's like each piece we had to really kind of rip apart in a way to
一种以某种方式解剖它，但我 kind of to dissect it in a certain way but i
主要像所有舞蹈一样决定 decided like primarily with all the choreography that
在讲故事的过程中发生 was happening in the storytelling process
你知道必须雕刻它必须是你知道 you know had to be sculpted it had to be you know just
轻吻了一下，只是你知道不必带走 kissed with light a little just you know didn't have to take away from the
主唱或我们发现的任何东西 principal singer or whatever but um we find
我们发现这在整个演出中都非常有效 we found that to be quite effective throughout the whole show
你知道很酷，我想一定会关注那个 you know very cool and i guess kind of following on that um you know
而且您还谈到了大家的工作速度， and and you we talked about the speed at which you all were working and
以及市区和住宅区的局限性 and um sort of the limitations in both downtown and uptown
我想从设计的角度来看 i guess from a process standpoint from from designing
你知道你在哪里？ where do you you know as you do pass after pass after pass
嗯，您如何确定这些层中每一层需要达到的深度 um how do you decide sort of how deep each of those layers needs to be
以及您如何赢得其他合作者的信任 and how do you retain um the trust of your other collaborators
你就是要去那儿显然你有那种远见 that you're that you're going to get there obviously you have that vision
但是有时间限制，确定深度的过程是什么 but there's a time constraint what's your process for deciding the depth
这些层，并向人们保证一切都会好起来的 of those layers and and uh assuring people that it will all be okay
那对我来说是一个问题 well is that a question for me
你知道我告诉你你看节目的所有版本 you know i'm telling you you look at all the versions of the show
演出正好在这里，瑞安花了很多时间 the show is just where it needs to be and ryan spends a lot of time with it
你知道我不认为他想改变某件事我是说那是事实 you know i don't think he wants to change a thing i mean it is what it is
如果您确实改变了一件小事，那将是多米诺骨牌 and if you do change one little thing it'll domino
会影响别人，你会知道，所以我的意思是真的和船员 effect into others it'll mess stuff up you know so i mean really and the crew
在维持演出方面做得很好，但还没有 does such a great job in maintaining the show but what hasn't
被问到您的问题是该节目的录音效果如何 been brought up about your question is how so well documented the show
这些家伙做得无懈可击吗 is these guys have done an impeccable job
文档的重点是自动内容的Midi提示 of documentation a focus of cueing of midi of what's automated what's in
我的意思是当转盘移动时 and out i mean when the turntable is moving when
这不是这些必不可少的部分 it's not these are essential parts of the
汉密尔顿分层，没有那些 layering of hamilton and without those being
记录你会迷路，你特别知道 documented you'd just be lost you know especially
当你知道编舞必须来找我们 when you know choreographer has to come to us
你知道应该在五到六口之内 you know to kind of should that be in five or six well the
芝加哥公司一直很好，你知道，就是这样 chicago company's always been fine you know so it's it's that kind of
东西，但这是一个真正的价值 thing but uh that's been a true value
嗯，在他们的作品中有如此精彩的节目记录，你知道并且喜欢 um in their work to have the show so well documented you know and like uh
是的，我花了八个小时来完成所有预设的对焦，但是这些家伙 yes it takes i took eight hours to do all the preset focuses but these guys
很好，他们知道寻找什么，他们知道 are good they know what to look for they know
他们在演出过程中的优先重点是什么 what their priorities are through the course of getting the show
准备在晚上表演，谢谢。 ready for a performance at night thank you you know springing off of that
我猜阿曼达和大卫，您觉得和瑞安从何而来 i guess amanda and david what where do you kind of feel and ryan come into
显然，但是你知道这么复杂的表演 obviously but you know with such a complicated show
你知道有东西突然出现在我的身上 you know there's the thing that's popping to my
在文档方面，思维太多就足够了 mind is too much is almost enough when it comes to documentation um
你是怎么开始咬那只大象的？ how did you start taking bites of that elephant where did you see
特别是随着节目的发展，你知道 especially as the show's developing you know
首先记录了什么为什么阿曼达你说有些东西长出来了 what gets documented first why does it amanda you said that some stuff grew out
你知道去其他城市的人 of other um you know going to different cities
诸如此类的事情你怎么会服用 and things like that how do you even take something that is
这个巨大的，并开始提炼成 this gigantic and start to distill it down to
您可以复制的东西 something that you can replicate
我认为ryan brian你应该再说一遍 i think ryan brian you should talk about the again
它归结于我认为它归结为第一次 it comes down to the i think it comes down to like the first time that it was
曾经讨论过哦，看起来很不同，你知道我 ever a discussion of oh that looks different you know what i
意思是，我们和我们都知道我们在如何做方面非常出色 mean and we and we knew we were very good about how
我们复制了它，所以我们就像如何将这些知识传递给 we replicated it so we were like how do we then pass that knowledge on to
说说导演或团队实际上就是这样 say that the director or team that actually it is exactly how it
瑞安想出了一台显示器上的mla照片的概念 was ryan came up with the concept of the the mla photos on one monitor
另一个视频，以便他可以顺利通过 the video on another so that he could go well here it is
正是这里，抬头看那里，看哪一个 here's exactly look look up there look here which one
你知道这是信封照片这是视频 you know here's the envelope photo is the here's the video
这样就可以将讨论范围缩小到哦 so that would then then it cut that discussion down to oh
对，是的，然后我们就像总是想要移动它一样好 right yeah and then we were like always like fine you want to move it
我的意思是我们很高兴将其移开，但是您当归了 i mean we're happy to move it but then you've got angelica
就像瑞安（Ryan）在四点说的，您知道分析仪 as ryan was saying at four right you know analyzer
在五对右边就是五现在您有两套文档 at five right which well that's five now you've got two sets of documentation
好，芝加哥在别处，所以现在您有了三套文件 well and chicago somewhere else so now you've got three sets of documentation
所以那就是那个瑞安的讨论 so that was the that was a that was a discussion that ryan
当时处于最前沿，所以他可能应该再谈一点 was was at the forefront of and so he should probably talk to that a bit more
好吧，我想嗯，我的意思是你知道一件事是大卫 well i think um i mean you know one thing is david
绝对让我们拥有了文档天才的天才 has definitely got us the genius of documentation um
但保持艺术快乐的不断 but the the keeping keeping the artistic happy
它变成了与您的讨论，您知道您对豪威尔以及 it became a discussion with you know you know with howell and also
我们是希望每个公司成为自己的版本还是要保留它，然后 do we want every company to be their own version or do we want to keep it so then
什么时候艺术水准，什么时候安迪和汤米蹦蹦跳跳 when when the artistic well and when andy and tommy are bouncing around
通过公司是相同的，然后他们知道 through companies to be the same and then they you know
首先，就像纽约就是纽约，它将永远留下来 first it was like new york is new york it'll always stay
在纽约，然后是新公司，所以 in new york it'll be that and then the the new companies now so
他们都具有相同的座标 the touring la they all have the same coordinates
因为他们是同一个作品，因为人们感到困惑 because they're the same production because people were getting confused
人们正在改变东西，然后路政人员回到我们身边 and people were changing stuff and then the road crew come back to us
说嘿，这正在改变，那么我们将不得不参与其中， and say hey this is changing and then we would have to kind of get involved and
让事情变得顺利，但现在你知道纽约是 smooth things out um but right now you know new york is
纽约，然后伦敦是伦敦，但呃，其他人 new york and then london is london but the the uh other us
三是公司都是抄本，也许是一些小事 three is companies are all carbon copies maybe a few small things
但这是我们必须做出的选择 but they are and that was a choice that we had to
谈话后，汤姆和每个人都做了些什么 make after the conversations what on tommy and everybody
让每个人都在同一页上，因为人们感到困惑，并且 to keep everybody on the same page because people are getting confused and
他们要去追捕舞台经理和工作人员的工作人员 the crews they're going after the stage manager and the crew
他们把它推高了，我们必须团结起来， and they're putting it upward we have to just kind of all unite and
现在，它变得更容易了，所以我们可以说您知道那个镜头6左5 and now it makes it easier so we can say you know that that shot six left five
再加上那个人要降落的地方 plus and that's where that person's gonna land
和嗯，他们很棒，而且文档 and um and they've been great and with the documentation
嗯，就像阿曼达说的那样，我们正在不断发展和学习 um you know as amanda said we we we're constantly evolving and learning
恩，她做完了，你知道他们想出了这些主意，然后我们 and uh and she's done you know they come up with these ideas and then we
我们谈论它，您知道其他人已经加入并带来了新的事物 we we talk about it and you know other people have come in and brought new
想法和天才是大卫的作品 ideas and uh the genius thing is david's work
虽然有锥体的数字，他就像我们应该把绳子放在那些 though with the numbers with the cones he's like we should put ropes in those
转盘，你知道我说过大卫是否还能做些什么 turntables and you know i said if david does something even beyond this that you
我认为你们不会在mla照片中看到照片是否出现并且有三束光 i don't think you guys see in mla photos if a photo comes up and has three beams
空中的灯具编号写在那些 in the air the fixture number is written on those
光束，所以如果史蒂夫·d正在巡演，他去 beams so if stevie d is on tour and he goes to
q60，他看着屏幕，因为出了点问题 q60 and he looks at that screen because something's wrong
他看到那三个光束和那些灯具编号，因为mla he sees those three beams and those fixture numbers because the mla
在演出期间跟踪演出，以便他可以看向mla tracks with the show during the show so he can look to the mla
看看舞台，看看是否有什么不对劲，他可以削减，他知道 look at the stage and see if there's anything wrong and he can cut he knows
夹具56熄灭了，我要重置它，这是大卫的事情 fixture 56 is off i'm going to reset it and that's something that david's
带到了刚刚很棒的桌子上，每个人都像哇 brought to the table that has just been brilliant and everybody is like wow
现在我们真的可以在旅途中达到高效 now we really can meet be efficient on the road
我们可以提高技术效率，因为我可以说戴夫治具需要具备五个条件 we can be efficient in tech because i can say dave fixture five needs to get
你知道，他是怎么知道这个数字的，我就像看着你的照片 you know and he's how did you know that number i was like look at your picture
然后你知道，因为你知道他创造了你 and then you know because you know he created you
只是知道这种华丽的记录方式非常重要 know just this this gorgeous way of documenting which is so important
重新制作这些节目并保持一致， to recreate these shows and to keep it consistent that there is
这是事实婚礼，我将不用再猜测了 it's factual wedding is what i'll go to with no more guessing
好吧，我只是有点抱歉抱歉 well i just kind of oh sorry to chime in like
您之前说的关于UM的昵称 what you were saying earlier nick about um you know assuring
整个主题都很熟悉的创意 the creatives that it's going to be okay this whole theme is familiar
来自像hal提到的高度这样的创意团队 with this creative team from in the heights like hal mentioned
um ryan也做了几次巡回演出 and um ryan did several tours of that as well
因此我们非常熟悉该团队的期望， so we had very good familiarity with the expectations of this team and
他们很高，这是一个非常高调的房间 they're very high it's a very high profile room um
而且我不会说必然是高压 and it's i wouldn't say necessarily high pressure
但这就是为什么大卫每天早上都如此孜孜不倦地工作，以至于他在演出中工作 but that's why david works so tirelessly every morning that he works on the show
因为他们只有在有广告的时候才必须为广告素材做好准备 because they have to have it ready for the creatives the only time there was
你知道任何形式的宽恕我会说是公众从未有过 you know any kind of forgiveness i would say was the public there's never been
在那之后，他们知道 any after that so um they know
所以他们知道他们必须先使其完美 so they know they have to get it perfect before
汤米和安迪看到了，否则将成为讨论 tommy and andy see it otherwise it's going to be a discussion
所以这就是一切发展的方式 so that that that is kind of how everything has evolved
我们现在所做的所有工作基本上都基于 all of what we do now is based basically on
整个性能甚至整个过程都需要 that whole performance and even that process demanded like even when we
波多黎各，我们不得不切换场地，我们仍然在这里 puerto rico we had to switch venues we still did our process where
我们专注于常规汇率大卫做运动中断，有时他 we focus the conventional rate david does the movement break and sometimes he
合并，但然后我们进行整体检查， merges but then we have a whole checks and
平衡大卫曾经生活的焦点 balances where once david's through the moving life focus
然后我们有时会每两次执行一次，以确保所有内容都符合要求 then we step through every sometimes twice to make sure everything's in line
一切看起来正确，LED保持平衡 everything looks right the leds are balanced like
充分显示条件下，房子的灯光熄灭，所以我们做了 full show conditions the house lights are off so that we have done
我们的尽职调查，而这已纳入时间表，我的意思是 our due diligence and and that's all built into the schedule i mean it's very
就像没有呼吸室，但你知道 like there is no breathing room but you know
就是因为我们有很多时间 it's it's that we have our our chunk of time that
我们在进行声音检查时使用，那就知道了，然后就像阿曼达 we use during sound check and it's you know so then like amanda
说我们的演出已经准备就绪 said that we the show is in and ready to go by the time
创作者打错了房间 the creators hit the wrong room
这真是太了不起了，实际上是如何开始的 it's amazing and so and and how actually kind of started with this as a
您知道的讨论点嗯，显然是与同一团队合作 discussion point you know um obviously working with the same team
一遍又一遍地开始发展那个速记 over and over starts to develop that shorthand
嗯，但还有其他您可以回忆起的实例，如加快操作 um but were there other instances that you can recall that helped like expedite
在该过程中或 some of that shorthand um either on this process or or a
上一个节目um与其他人一起工作 previous show um to to make working with those other
团队成员比较容易，或者他们是您知道我听说过像哦，我留下一碗 team members easier or they're you know i've heard of like oh i leave a bowl of
我科技桌上的糖果，或以某种方式吸引人们的方法 candy at my tech table or ways to sort of like lure people in um
你知道你怎么过得舒适 you know how do you how do you get too comfortable
快速，我想这是问题 fast i guess is the question
好吧，每一个您知道的问题，您都知道每天都是新的一天 well every you know that's a great question you know every day is a new day
你以为你可以认识某人 and you think you could know somebody's you
知道那天他们会怎么样，但我认为 know how they're going to be during that day but i think in this
情况不一定如此 situation that wasn't necessarily the case
所有的时间，但你知道我想和安迪·布兰肯伯里（Andy Blankenbury）合作 all the time but you know i think like working with andy blankenbury
谁是天才，你知道你在工作，他有一种你知道的风格，这是一个非常 who is a genius you know you you work uh he has a style you know and it's a very
独特的风格，他在运动中做了很多 unique style and he does so much in his movement and
只是能够了解到他以及什么 just being able to learn that about him and what
他做到了，他的合奏如何执行，我认为这是设计师，你经常接手 he does and how his ensembles execute i think it is designer you pick up a lot
在那里，您将学习如何以独特的方式开始对其进行建模 there so you learn how to start modeling it in a unique way that kind of
讲他的故事，有时相信我，我不在 tells his story and sometimes believe me i was off the
图表错误，您在做什么您在做什么 charts wrong what are you doing what are you doing
你升起也摔坏了好吧，你知道，我的意思是 you rise too broke okay you know so i mean
那样的事情，但是你知道，所以你必须做出选择 that sort of thing but uh you know so you've got to make your choices as a
设计师，你必须准备好进入房间 designer you got to go into the room ready
就像我之前说过三遍 you know and uh as i said three times before
在我身边拥有一支伟大的团队一直是福气， having a great team beside me has always been a blessing and
房间里有没有说完话的词汇是很棒的 and having that unspoken vocabulary in a room is great
但是你并不总是知道你知道这就像有一个 but you don't always know you know it's like there's a
在汉密尔顿排队，乔治国王说我很蓝 queue in the hamilton where kings george says i am blue
汤米想让整个舞台变蓝，就像 and tommy wanted the whole stage to go blue and it's like
我不希望整个舞台变蓝你知道吗 i didn't want the whole stage to go blue you know what
如果导演想让舞台变蓝，那就变黑 if the director wants the stage to go blue it's going to go black
你知道那是那种东西，现在这是一个巨大的成功 you know it's that kind of thing and now it's a big hit cube you know so
嗯，这类事情在没有 it's uh this those kind of things that that work well in the room that didn't
只发生在你知道的房间里 only happen in the room where it happened in the room you know
无论如何um amanda ryan或和david我猜是 anyway um amanda ryan or and david i guess as
嗯，你们都在做吗 well are you all um are you making like
你知道跨部门联盟阿曼达 interdepartmental alliances you know amanda you mentioned sort of this piece
出于某种必要而产生的文书工作，但又像是什么 of paperwork that came out of um sort of necessity but like what is it
就像你知道，显然豪威尔在运作 like to you know obviously howell is working
与其他创意负责人和事物 with the other creative heads and things and
然后有一个完成它，你知道我们发送MIDI then there's a there's a a get it done you know do we send midi
在这里如何与您交谈，您知道什么时候被称为 here how does this talk to that you know what what's being called when
嗯，你如何处理这些 um how are you dealing with those
关系，并建立那些联盟 relationships and and forging those alliances
这样一切都会继续前进 so that like everything continues to lurch forward
我认为一件很棒的事情是我们建立通讯站的方式 i think one one great thing about is the way we set up our comm stations
而且我们有我们知道您像多大年纪的人 and that we have we have you know like how old listens to
他的大卫频道，没有其他人在该频道上讲话 his channel to david and no one else talks on that channel
所以嗯，你知道我们有下降点和其他所有东西，所以我们 and so um you know we have the fall spots and everything else and so our
因为我们没有视频，所以第四个频道是 fourth channel since we didn't have video would be
对音乐团队来说，你知道，这段关系的最大好处是 um to the music team and you know and what's great about the relationship is
他们就像我们的朋友，他们就像您知道的那样，他们不像我们不一样 they're like our friends they're like you know like they're not like we're not
我们只是在打招呼的人 people we just we just say hello to it's gonna work in
这样，所以您知道当他们有婴儿祝贺时，我的意思是 that and so you know like when they have a baby congratulations i mean there's
这些都是很棒的人，他们非常 these are all wonderful people and they're very
您知道他们想提供帮助，因此这变得非常容易，所以我们 you know they want to help and and so it made it so much easier so then we
你知道我们有一个疯狂的想法，就像我们真的很想看看我们是否可以降落 you know we had a crazy idea like we really want to see if we can land this
MIDI队列在这里您能帮我们吗，就像大卫说的 midi queue here can you help us and like david said
就像您现在知道的那样，现在让我们往回走一点，他们有耐心 earlier like you know now let's move back a little bit they had the patience
这样做，但是所有可能在第四频道上发生的事情 to do that and but all that can be happening on on channel four
而大卫和豪威尔仍在第二和一分钟的频道上工作 while david and howell are still working on on channel two and a minute
与三个跌落点，所以我们知道的方式 with the fall spots on three so the way that we you know that that's the way
我们可以尽可能高效，然后我喜欢你知道 we can be as efficient as possible and then i like you know
我们的第一个渠道是舞台经理，所以您需要与舞台交谈 our first channel is the stage manager so however you need to talk to stage
经理，或者你知道一切都清楚了 manager or you know everything is clear
沟通，但三个人可以同时工作 communication but three people can be working at the same time
而且不拖延任何流程，我认为那是很棒的 and not holding up any of the process and i think that's what's brilliant how
如何建立他的团队以及我们所有人如何运作 how sets up his team and how we all function
这样就不会像阿曼达（Amanda）在她的频道上放飞一样放慢脚步 so there is no hold up there's no slow down like amanda's flying on her channel
我对我很好，我们有收音机给来找我们的电工，我们 i'm fine on mine and we have the radio to the electricians that come to us we
有这个问题，一切都在移动，你知道 have this problem and everything is moving and you know
团队的最大优点是我们彼此相爱，他们都是我们 what's great about the team is we all love each other they're we're all
了不起的人，他们每个人都互相信任，所以如果 amazing people and they everybody trusts each other so it's if
有一个想法嘿，这不像 there's a thought hey what about this it's not like
没有炸毁的感觉，好吧，让我们实现这一点，我认为那是 there's not a blow up it's like okay let's make this happen i think that's
真的很重要，拥有一支团队是很重要的 really important it's always been important to house have a team that is
在同一页上，我们都在那里，没有 on the same page where we're all there and and there's no
态度没有意义，我是我们，我们是一个团队，我们将如何 attitude there's no meaning me it's it's us we're a team how are we going to
一起做这件事 make this happen together
好吧，几个问题已经 good um a couple of questions that have been
进来有点带我们回到一点点 coming in are sort of taking us back to a little bit of
齿轮端，所以我对一些通用的东西感兴趣 the gear side um so i'm interested in kind of a couple general things which is
您知道照明设备的种类选择 sort of selection of of equipment you know lighting
固定装置之类的东西，什么是过程，什么是 fixtures um things like that what is what is the process what are the
秀的各个阶段的障碍嗯，还有一个问题来了 obstacles um at various stages of of the show um and also a question came
在大约维护中，您知道汉密尔顿是 in about um maintenance you know hamilton is is
仍然在百老汇上，大概是相当一部分 still on broadway um and presumably will be for quite some
技术变化的时间，您将事物称为事物 time as technology changes you know as things
进化保持过程 evolve what is the process for keeping
像这样的东西，你想谈谈评估 something like this alive um you want to talk about evaluating
固定装置一开始可能就像您如何决定 fixtures maybe at first like how old how do you decide
你知道什么是联合，这是联合的过程 well you know what's a joint it's a joint process
你知道，然后嗯，因为我们经历了几个版本 you know and then um because we go through several versions of
当我们开始真正想要的东西时我们想要什么 what we want when we start out with what we really want
你知道我们从电影版开始，好吧，我们想要的设备 you know we start out with our film version okay this the equipment we want
在节目中，然后我们将其发送到我们下面 on the show and then we send it in and we under we
取回电话号码，哦，你在做什么，我们不能 get the number back which is oh what are you doing we don't can't
负担得起这个节目等等等等，那么我们就必须去做一个计划b afford this show blah blah blah so then we have to go to kind of plan b
然后开始将它拆下来并制作一些潜艇 and start knocking it down and making some subs and
这个，那让我告诉你 and this and that so let me tell you it takes
在我们降落之前，是五，六，七，有时还有更多版本的节目 it's five six seven sometimes more versions of the show before we can land
但这只是一个真正的过程 on but it's just it's really a process with
我们都知道，就像我们先不买 us all you know like uh do we won't buy first
我们要2500年，我们要走什么类型的手表 year we want 2500 what type of watch do we walk us
它需要做x数量您知道的事情 it's going to need to do x amount of things you know
所以这是我的意思，我只是不决定说 so that's kind of i mean i just don't decide and say
这就是我们希望您知道我们的外观，然后 here's what we want you know we look and then uh it's a lot of
我什至没有用过的照片，所以我们将为 pictures i haven't even used so we'll get a little shootout set up for
我，所以我们都可以去，有点看你知道那盏灯是什么 me so we can all go and kind of see what that light's you know gotten
它的工具回来，所以这真的很有趣 its tool back so which is really kind of fun so um
那是一个很大的过程，你知道 that's a big process there you know just uh
降低到没人见过的每周预算，但这确实需要我们 getting it down to that weekly budget nobody ever sees but it does it takes us
几周面条下来到哪里 weeks to noodle down to to get to where
我们想要，然后您知道游览结束时我们 we want and then you know then when the tour comes we
通常会得到我们想要的东西 usually get what we want or something and
相信我，这是一个耗时的过程，但是 believe me it's a it's a time consuming process but
你知道我们从中学到很多东西，有时是替代品 you know we learn a lot from it and sometimes the substitutions
实际上发挥的非常好 that come into play are actually very good
我们一直在使用您的单位，您知道我们 and there are units that we keep using you know that we
除非我们不这样做，否则可能不会选择 probably hadn't wouldn't have chosen unless we
你知道他们是通过看一些不同类型的装置而被迫进入的 you know were forced into by looking at some different type of fixtures
所以那是一件事，你知道技术在变化 so that's one thing you know the technology changing
你知道它对你有好处 as rapidly as it is you know it's good to you got
即使是所有年轻设计师，您也必须留下来 even for all the young designers you got to stay
除了正在开发的东西之外 on top of what's being developed you know
所有您知道的工具等都将与 all the tools that you know etc is coming out with all the
新的移动灯和您知道的led the new moving lights and the led you know
20年前我曾告诉瑞安和阿曼达，我想长大并成为领导 i was telling ryan and amanda 20 years ago i wanted to grow up and be an led
你知道的，我的意思是 you know look at it i mean it's something
太神奇了，但是技术是巨大的 it's amazing but uh technology is huge it's huge
嗯，也就是在草稿中，您知道矢量作品 and uh just and that also just in the drafting you know vector works
你知道这样的事情，阿曼达在他们的眼神 that sort of thing you know um right and amanda their whizzes at
他们起草无懈可击，但他们是最重要的，并且每天都在做 they draft impeccably but they're on top of it and they do it every day you know
但是对于学生来说，这是技术的另一部分 and but for the students that's another part of technology
学习并使其成为自己的签名很少 learning that and making it their own signature little
你知道的事，但它既是痛苦，也是痛苦 thing you know so but it's a a pain as much as a pain it could be
整理车间订单有一些积极的作用 putting together a shop order there is some positive things that do
最后出来 come out of it at the end
但另一件事我只是想插口 but one other thing i just want to interject um
我们几年前在同一场演出的团队叫百万美元四重奏 the same team here we did a show years ago called million dollar quartet
好吧，我们进入了更整洁的着陆剧院 okay and we went into the neater lander theater
我们很幸运有大卫拱门 and we were fortunate enough to have david arch
作为我们的节目，所以在我们谈论节目，节目和节目之前 as our program so in the kind of our pre talking about the show and this and that
你知道大卫当时只是一个奶奶家伙 you know david at that point was just a grandma guy
总奶奶就是这些，我们所得到的全部就是每周的数量 total grandma that's all that's all you we came down to that weekly number
费用，我们只得到了这么多钱，我们联系了戴夫说 of expenses we only got this much money and we approached dave said would you
考虑使用EOS，他说我绝对愿意 consider using the eos and he said absolutely i would love to
你知道吗，这是一个程序员 you know so here's a programmer
超越他的舒适度，成为一个整体 going above and beyond with his comfort level into a whole nother
词汇，你知道他还没真正做过什么 vocabulary you know something he hadn't really done a big show on
从那时起，我的意思是我认为唯一将它带回祖母的人 and since then i mean i think the only person that took it back to a grandma
是芭芭拉·史翠珊 was barbara streisand
但很好的问题，她甚至 but good question she even
但这又是关于技术学习的全部 but then again it's all about technology learning it
留在身边，但你知道那天我真的很尊重戴夫，他说你 staying at hand but you know i really respected dave that day when he said you
知道这会很艰难，我不会 know it's going to be tough i'm not going to
快一点，但是我可以做到，你知道，嗯，这是关键 be as fast but i can do that you know and uh that was a key
我认为您知道一个关键的决定，我希望您真的 i think a key decision you know i hoped you really
了解了更多有关控制台和快捷方式的知识 learned a lot more about the console and the shortcuts and this and that
你知道，但那又是一个过程，是一个团队 you know but then again it's a process it's a team
这是一个你知道的，但你又一次知道所有年轻的设计师 it's a you know but again you know all the young designers man it's about
关于技术以及您想从中学到什么 it's about the technology and what you want to learn out of it
因为我的意思是这将使您的演出受益 because i mean it's going to benefit your show
你知道你现在知道多少 you know how much you know at this point
无论如何，我只是不得不说我爱那是一个很棒的故事 anyway i just had to say that i love that that's a great story
瑞安，你还有其他想法吗 ryan do you have any other thoughts on sort of uh
装备准备好，你显然知道商店号码 gear getting it getting it ready you know the shop number obviously
嗯，你知道我为那些没有的人 um you know i think for people that haven't
不知道百老汇在哪里工作 that don't sort of know where broadway works um
你知道很多这样的节目都是投机性的吗 you know a lot of these shows are speculative right is it going to do well
还是不是他们花了很多钱 or is it not they're putting a lot of money forward
希望能做到这一点，所以我将每周的数字作为 to to hope that it does um so i that that weekly number as
豪威尔说对我来说很重要 howell said is is quite important to me um what other
当您尝试获取呃时，您正在寻找各种东西 kinds of things are you looking for um when when you're trying to get uh
无论是百老汇还是开始推出 either for the broadway or or starting to push out
在巡回演出中，你如何看待我的问题呢？ on tour how do you what's your problem says well i think um
好吧，如果我们使用了齿轮 well if we're used piece of gear that we
在我们一直检查值得走的路之前没有用过 haven't used before we always check the road worthy of it is it going
能够支撑在卡车上吗？ to be able to hold up in the trucks is it going to hold up because
嗯，我们正在为我们著名的皱纹做演示 um we were doing a demo for our famous wrinkles
然后我们找到了当我们关闭电源时要使用的单元 and we found out the unit that we were going to use when we turned down the
当我们关闭系统电源并再次将其重新启动时，它们没有消失 when we powered the system down and powered it back up again they didn't go
回到他们要去的地方，那是另一种动人的灯光， back to where they were going to go and it was a different moving light and
我们将要经历的学习曲线很大 it was a big learning curve that we were going to
我们几乎有一个动不动的灯，不会回到它的xyz we almost had a moving light that wasn't going to go back to its xyz
并且模板没有正确索引 and that the templates weren't were indexed correctly
和嗯，所以您知道这是我们没想到的好东西 and um so you know that was a great learning thing that we did not expect
因此10分钟后，我们向理查德·罗杰斯（Richard Rogers）射杀 and so 10 minutes later we shot over to the richard rogers
做同样的测试，以确保您知道 to do the same test to make sure that you know
毒蛇可以做我们所需要的，嗯，但我认为我们 the vipers could do what we needed and um but i think that we
我们也看着你知道，你知道数字总是很重要 we also look at you know like that you know how number is always important
商店和嗯的架子上是什么，然后 what's on the shelf of the shop and um and then
你知道什么设备，特别是汉密尔顿的设备，因为我们知道 what you know what equipment especially for the hamilton's because we know
他们将持续使用该齿轮的更新版本 they're going to last what is the newer version of that gear
这将使我们持续下去，因为我们知道它将会消失 that's going to last us for because we know it's going to be out
多年，特别是在路上，所以我们看起来像 for years especially on the road and so we look like the stuff on the
我们升级道路上的游戏机，因为我们知道它会 consoles on the road we upgraded because we knew that it was going to
最后，这可能会使商店多赚一些钱，但随后 last and it might take the shop a little extra money but then
这是未来的维护，这是巨大的成本 it's the maintenance down the road is the huge thing that's where the cost
来了，所以我们非常注重成本，并且 comes so we're very cost conscientious and to
确保节目已保存，并且我们在演出时设置的方式 make sure the show is preserved and the way that we set it when we're
在那里，您知道，而且您知道我们已经升级了，其中有四项是 there you know and you know we've upgraded there's the led source four is
现在在您知道的版本上，我们已经完成了升级 now on the version you know we've kind of done upgrades as
我们走了，然后嗯，所以我想现在在哪里 we've gone and then um so it's i think right now where it's
在伟大的我们有一个绝对的事情清单 at is great we have we have a definitely a list of things
我们将不断进步，但嗯，我们绝对非常意识到 that we're gonna improve as we go but um we're definitely very conscious of
新装备问世，所以它是可维护的 the new gear coming out um so it's it's maintainable
因为这很大，你知道自己是否有失败，特别是在这个节目上 because that's huge you know if you have failures especially on this show
会很受伤，并且船员有这个维护时间表 it's going to hurt and the crews have this maintenance schedule
和灯的时间表，他们有所有这些时间表来维持演出 and a lamp schedule they have all these schedules to maintain the show
单位被抽真空了，你知道所有的一切 the units are vacuumed down the you know all there is there's all these
为维护设备而建立的基础设施 infrastructure that is set up to to maintain the gears
所以我的意思是尽可能减少故障 so that we do have as minimal failures as possible i mean
你想扔在那里 you want to toss in there
没有 no
好吧，我们呃，我们已经运行了大约90分钟，所以我 well we're uh we've we've run about 90 minutes so i
我只想问几个简单的事情，嗯，总结一下 i want to ask uh just a couple of quick things um to wrap up
我先给你最后一个，这样你就可以仔细考虑了 i'll give you the last one first so that you can mull on it
我们会回到它那是我知道我们有 and we'll come back to it which is i know that we have
很多加入我们年轻专业人士的学生 a lot of students that are joining us young professionals um
您对他们有什么想法或建议 what are your thoughts for them or advice
或你会传递给学生的​​花絮 or tidbits that that you would pass along to students
嗯，我们可以，我会在那一点 um and and we can i'll i'll go round robin in a little bit on that
因为我认为那是分担um的好方法，但是 because i think that'll be a nice way to part um but uh
再次促使我们团结在一起的动力是 sort of the the impetus again for getting us all together was that
嗯，大卫正在把汉密尔顿搬进增强 um david was moving hamilton into uh augmented
嗯，通过这就像很好，嘿，如果我正在学习这个，也许其他 um and and through that was like well hey if i'm learning this maybe other
人们也希望嗯，我认为这非常 people would like to as well um which i think was very
你们整个团队的慷慨分享给大家 generous of of all of you your whole team to share that with everybody
嗯，但大卫很快就知道我们 um but david just really quickly you know we're
我们已经进入了3.0 um增强版的beta版本，即将推出 we've been in a a beta series for 3.0 um augmented is something that's coming
我们已经有一段时间了，嗯，你知道我有点好奇 we've had viz for a while um you know i'm just sort of curious on
您对类似的东西的看法，这不是 your take as to what something like that and this isn't
销售推销或其他任何类似您的事情，您都知道自己的诚实感觉 a sales pitch or anything but like you know honest feelings of like do you
认为这将改变人们的方式 think that this is going to change um the process for how people
灯光显示您知道并一直 light shows you know and all the way from
巡回演出的文档创意，我很想知道您在哪里 idea to documentation to touring um i'm kind of curious as to like where you
认为像这样的东西可以帮助一个 think something like this um could help a
像汉密尔顿这样的复杂表演在路上可能 complicated show like hamilton get on the road where maybe
有些地方我们还不在那里，我只是 there's places that that we're not quite there yet i'm just
你们在其中花费了大量时间我对您对此很感兴趣 sort of you spend a lot of time in it i'm interested in your take on it um
是的，我想只要您安装了Uh软件 yeah i think any time you've got uh software incorporated
就像A3D进入EOS平台一样，太棒了，我的意思是我们一直 like the a3d is into the eos platform um it's fantastic i mean we've always
必须进入外部软件来获得我们所需要的 had to go into external software to get what we need and as i
说我们必须基本采取呃你知道一个外部 said we had to basically take uh you know an external
当我们在巡回演出中进行视觉计划并对其进行重新设计时 vis program when we were working on the tour and re-engineer it i
意思是因为设置时我们没有任何3D程序 mean because we didn't have any kind of 3d program when we set up
汉密尔顿，所以我不得不从字面上看你知道我们必须 hamilton so i had to literally you know we had to
导入所有内容，然后按字面意思去哦，这里这里处于低态 import everything in and then literally go oh here here is downstate
我实际上必须进入中心并移动每盏灯 center i literally had to go in and move every single light
这样它才能到达正确的位置，所以有一个你知道的 so that it would get to it to the right position and so there was a you know
将其作为工具进行时，我的意思是我现在倾向于每场演出 having this as a tool pre going in i mean i tend to now do every show
以某种形式，甚至在我们进入剧院之前 in in some kind of viz format before we even get into the theater
你知道，所以知道在某个时候 you know so knowing that at some point it's gonna
可能要去游览，或者你要知道我的意思，所以 it's probably gonna tour or you're gonna you know what i mean so there's
所以我不必再重新设计 so i don't have to re-engineer backwards again
因为那是你永远不需要做的 because that was something you don't ever have to do
嗯，所以我认为这将是一个很好的工具 um so i think this this is gonna be a great tool for
之前和之后，您都知道um，就像我第一次把它扔进去时所说的那样 for pre and post you know um as i said when we first threw it in
从vectorworks变成我们都像圣洁的看 into from vectorworks we were all like holy look at that
有索引的路径我会说 there's the paths the the indexing was i would say
99对，这几乎就像被吹走了，我就像 99 right which was almost like blown away i was like
嗯，我从来没想到会像我所说的那样闪耀 um i would never expected that to come as i said the shining was
也许他的旋转有点偏离，但是在那里 maybe it was a little bit off in his rotation but it was there
所以你们做的很棒，我的意思是我不知道你知道那个，但是我的意思是我 so you guys that did an amazing i mean i don't know you knew that but i mean i
不得不说要参加一场现有的演出并投入 have to say to take an existing show and throw it in
走吧，哦，我认识到它是可以直接识别出来的 and go oh i recognize it was recognizable straight out of it
真是太棒了，这启发了我去，哦，这是 so that was fantastic so that was that kind of inspired me to go oh this is
会变得很好，你知道你知道我的意思 going to be good you know you know what i mean like that
并没有继续前进哦，这就是为什么我当时就像让我们开始汉密尔顿 didn't keep going oh that's why then i was like let's start the hamilton
你知道我的意思是我就像让我们继续前进吧 you know what i mean that's that i was like let's keep going let's um
我不知道我认为这将是一个很好的工具，正如我所说 i don't know i think it's going to be a great tool and as i said
最初，当我们这样做时，我就像哦，我需要做 initially as we were doing this i was like oh i needed to do
嗯，记住这不是以前的程序 uh remember that it's not a previous program
这是你的编程工具，我的意思是说 it's a you programming tool i mean so that the
当你们看照片时，有很多 the when you guys look at the pictures there was quite a bit of
我很好，我该怎么办？ i was like well how do i i know what it should look like how do i
我们如何使它看起来像这样，所以您知道我的意思，并且有 how do we get that to look like that so you know what i mean and there is
有围绕它的方法和手段，而这部分过程的一部分 there is ways and means around it and that part of the part of the process i
希望人们去编程 wanted people to go to with the programming
项目要顺利进行，大卫怎么做？ project was to go well how can how did david do how did we
到那里，我们如何使它看起来像那样 get there how did we make it look like that
嗯，从我的角度来看，当我们知道大卫是 um well i think from my standpoint when we you know david was the brainchild of
这个编程项目，并带来了很多工作 this this programming project and and brought a lot of this work forward
嗯，我认为那是令人兴奋的 um and and i think that's what was exciting
对我来说，就像你知道如何解决它到哪里一样 to me about it was exactly that like you know solving how you get it to where
它需要一次又一次地与惊人的 it needs to be and and again with the the amazing
该节目已经有um的文档，而且您很幸运地知道了 documentation that the show already had um and and you know luckily
它很容易被增强，你知道我很好 it came into augmented very easily you know i'm good
喜欢能够打球和 it's a great thing to like uh be able to sort of play and
像你可能会解开那些事情 unravel those things um like you might do
嗯，在路上，是的，就像我说的那样很有趣 uh out on the road yeah it was fun to as i said
我看一下常规文档，因为它是 i get to look at the conventional documentation because it's something
我通常不会碰对我，我是说他们做到了，我是说你 that i would never normally touch right i mean they do it i mean your
氨基还是在我做其他事情之前就完成了 amino or it's done before i i'm doing something else so me sitting
从字面上集中我的筒灯系统 there literally focusing that down light system i was
像啊，你知道我的意思是 like ah you know what i mean it was an
有趣的过程，我真的很想在这里大喊大叫 interesting process i'm like really i've got to do a shout out here that was
打碎你知道你知道我就像 shatter cut you knew that you know i was like
那很有趣，那就是在那一刻哦，这可能很有趣 it was fun and that's that was that was at that moment of oh this could be fun
给别人做，因为我学到了很多东西 for someone else to do because i learned a lot doing it
我所拥有的任何权利 anything i had right oh just the run gorgeous
这样的人们一直在问你能走吗 like this we people keep asking can you go
到渲染图，您知道我们已经参加了公司活动 to a rendering and you know we've been through for corporate events
一切都没有，这些效果图我可以给客户 everything and nothing these renderings i could give this to a client
这些是华丽的效果图，我想你知道 these are gorgeous renderings and i think that you know
在创新方面，这对我们很重要，因为我们可以 on the creative side on our end that this is important for us that we can
实际开始制作节目，我可以让一个客户与 actually start building the show and i could i could have a client with
我，他们可以看看这个或导演 me and they could look at this or director
他们会想，哦，好吧，那看起来就像是很棒 and they would be like oh okay that's what's going to look like that's great
那是没有人的事 this is that that is something that no one's
能够实现 been able to achieve yet
我们有点和大卫开玩笑，我正在聊天 we kind of had a little joke uh with david and i were chatting it
嗯，把这些放在一起，你知道吗，等等。 uh in pulling this together which was you know etc has been very very vocal
就像它是一个编程工具一样，图形会随着时间的推移而改善，但是 about like it's a programming tool the graphics will improve over time but
现在这不是我们真正关注的重点 right now that's not really where we're focused
嗯，大卫发送了其中的一些屏幕截图，我就像 um and david sent over some of those those screen captures and i was like
像你这样的热妈，我的意思是这是一个漂亮的设计 well hot damn like like you i mean it is a beautiful design
首先，它只是让我们的东西看起来 to begin with and it just makes uh our stuff look
真的也很好，所以你知道，那就是我要去的 really good too so you know and that's what i was going to
说尼克真的是我没去过 say nick is i actually hadn't been up on the bandwagon about
你知道的就这么多，所以我真的开始了 augment that much you know so i started really
在dave将它们放在一起时学习 learning about it while dave was putting this together
当他给我寄东西时，我感到非常兴奋 while he was sending me stuff and i was very excited
关于它，就像戴夫（dave）知道我并不总是从事新项目，我并不总是 about it and like dave knows i don't always on new projects i'm not always
疯狂做previz，除非我认为我们真的 crazy about doing previz unless i think we really
知道我们将要进入​​的领域，因为很多时候 know what we're going to be getting into because a lot of the time there's a lot
确实是我们之前完成过的项目中真正未知的事情 of really unknown things definitely on a project that we've done it before
或在您的时间为零且被迫进入上一个 or in a situation where you have zero time and you're forced into previous
那是一个不同的故事，但嗯，我是如此 then that's a different story but um i was so
对它的外观感到兴奋，即使它只是一个编程工具 excited about the way this looked and even though it's just a programming tool
我就像该死的这个项目，让我们做吧 that i was like oh damn this project let's do it
对，很好，您对几岁有最后的想法 right very good how old do you have any final thoughts on
在那上面还是你不知道你玩了多少，因为它 on that or have you i don't know how much you've played with it since it's
有点新，但是我只是你才知道 kind of new and but uh i just you know back to the whole
技术，这是一种新工具，对您的设计师来说将非常有用 technology it's a new tool it's going to be great for designers you
知道甚至喜欢为客户或向董事展示我的意思 know even like for clients or showing directors i mean
这只是设计师在他们身上拥有的另一层 it's just another layer for designer to have at their
你知道的手，所以我认为我非常有效 hands you know so i think i'm very effective
它将完全成为一个重要的重要新工具 it's going to be a significant a significant new tool totally
谢谢，是的，我很高兴看到它如何被吸收 thank you yeah i'm excited to see how it gets taken up
你知道的，我想我们从多年的游戏机中学到了什么 you know it's and i think what we've learned over years of of console
发展水平和水平可以证明这是 development um and and level can attest to this is
就像我们认为人们将要做的那样 that like what we think people are going to do
他们将用它做一些其他的事情， with it they're going to do some completely other stuff with it and
那也将很棒，是的，你们如何被采用 that's going to be great too so yeah how it gets adopted you guys are
制作[笑声] making [Laughter]
实际上，我们真的很感兴趣，看看人们想到了什么 actually we were really interested to see what people came up with
就让它看起来更好，你知道我的意思是 as far as making it look better you know what i mean that was
我很激动，因为我已经在网上的海报上看到了 exciting to me as i i already saw on poster online there was someone who
发布的东西，他是她正在与你知道队列 posted stuff and he was she was hitting the queues with you know
嗯嗯，其中一个与您所知道的节目中的数字之一 um uh with one of the with one of the numbers that was in the show you know
我的意思是，很棒的人已经很友善 what i mean so it was great people are already kind
你们当中的人知道尝试哦，我怎么能简单地 of you know trying oh how can i simply that
你知道我的意思我怎么能你知道我的意思是他们在玩 you know i mean how can i you know what i mean they're playing
随着节目的进行，哦，是的，我在这里排队，我看着 along with the show and going oh yeah i'm hitting the queues here i am look at
这个家伙，看到它真的很令人兴奋 this guy and it was it was really exciting to see
你知道，所以我就像我们推动它，让我们所有人 you know so i was like let's push it let's let's everyone
他们可以张贴他们的东西，他们可以使它看起来更好 that they can post their stuff they can just make it look better
我不知道我的意思，然后将其发布的数量与 i don't know what i mean then post it the amount of posts i've seen with a
增强屏幕和迪士尼plus的图片 picture of an augmented screen and a disney plus
是的屏幕截图是的，是的，他们正在播放 screenshot that was it yeah yeah no they're playing
加上迪斯尼，他们就像是在跳动 along with disney plus they're like hitting the cues
太好了，很好笑，我再次觉得这很有趣 it was great it was pretty funny well and again i think it's going to be fun
供人们玩耍，谢谢你亲自认识 for for people to play with and and i thank you you know personally uh
为了您的慷慨和分享您所有的辛勤工作 for your generosity and in sharing all the hard work that you
都是为了让其他人可以学习 all do um so that other people can can learn
并获得了解如何 and and get a get a window into how
百老汇和旅游市场运作正常，并学到了一点 the broadway and the touring market works um and and learn a little bit that
希望能对他们的职业生涯有所帮助 uh will hopefully help them in in their career as well
嗯，所以我想我们应该把它包起来，因为我一直都抱住了你 um so i figure we should probably wrap it up we've been i've held you all long
一次又一次，我真的很感谢你的时间 enough and and again i really appreciate your time
嗯，这是一个很棒的讨论嗯，我们有很多学生 um this has been a fabulous discussion um we have a lot of students that are on
我们有嗯，你知道一些年轻的 we have uh uh you know some some young
在这条道路上，作为传奇人物的专业人士 professionals um as storied individuals in in this path
嗯，你有什么想法 um what sort of thoughts do you have for uh
对于那些来到这个世界并看着这个很好的生意的人 for people uh coming out into the world and and looking at this fine business of
我们的职业道路，你想开始 ours as a as a career path uh you wanna start go
未来你想多大年龄才能开始好，你知道我想 ahead how old do you wanna start well you know i think
就像我们在技术成为工具之前一样 as we talked about before technology is such an instrumental part of
现在发生了什么，所以我要让在校学生出来，你必须留下来 what's happening now so i for students in school coming out you've got to stay
学习有关夹具编程的全部技术 up with the technology learning all about fixtures programming
嗯，你的绘图技巧，还有一件事，我知道这有点 um your drafting skills but also there's one thing too and i know it's kind of
现在停滞不前，但是直到病毒消失，您才知道 at a standstill right now but until the virus is over you know
当结束时，请确保您看到很多 when it's over is making sure that you see a lot of
你经常去剧院，你知道我认为这对我来说是一个重要的瞬间 you go to the theater a lot you know i think that was a big instant part for me
看到很多节目，看到别人在做什么 is seeing a lot of shows seeing what other people do
他们不会在那里批评你，他们将从中学习并 they're not there to criticize you they're gonna learn from it and to
捕捉到您知道其他人的工作方式， capture you know just how other people work and
他们如何攻击您就知道了某些类型的挑战 how they attack you know certain types of challenges that are on
我认为对于一个年轻的设计师来说 stage which can just be pivoting i think for a young designer to
看到你像其他许多例子一样知道 to see that you know like other just so many examples of that but
那你知道去剧院 that's uh you know going to the theater and
跟上技术发展，嗯，一件事会导致另一件事 keeping up with technology and uh one thing will lead to the other
所以那是我的两分钱，谢谢 so that's my two cents on that well thank
你我只是要移动我的屏幕 you i'm just gonna move in the way my screen
安排了阿曼达，你呢，嗯，我只是说你知道 is arranged amanda how about you hop on in um i'll just say you know
现在正面临挑战，所以请保持警惕 times are challenging right now so keep your head up
希望我们有一天能在剧院里 we'll hopefully all be able to be in the theater someday
距离不太远，嗯，你知道吗，哈尔说他一直 not too far away and um you know as hal said he's always
还在学习，我们总是在学习，所以这正是 still learning we're always still learning so that's exactly
您应该知道什么，或者可以利用这段时间做些什么 what you should you know or would be great to use this time to do
跳到dave帮助完成的这个惊人的项目 jumping on this amazing project that dave helped
在此处创建um的其他任何出色的在线资源 create here and um any of the other fabulous online resources that are
现在发生的所有节目，您可以看到所有新的 happening now all the shows you can see all the new
您可以了解的软件，只要自己制作就可以了 software you can learn about you know just make make your own stuff
像你一样，你知道我一直以来最美好的事情 like you you know the best thing i've always
在工作上学到了，嗯，你知道最好的方法 learned on the job and um you know the best way to
学习就是创造，并与其他创造者坐在一起 learn is to create and to sit in the room with other other people that create
所以直到你能够做到这一点 so until you're able to do that make something up
那是我的建议，我喜欢，我喜欢，呃，瑞安 that would be my advice i like it i like it uh ryan you were
接下来在我的屏幕上，我同意阿曼达以及所有年龄 next on my screen well i agree with amanda and how old all
那个现在是一个艰难的时期，但这是 that um it is a difficult time now but this is
我们可以用来喜欢补充能量的时间 the time where we can use to like recharge um being re-inspired
嗯，你知道有个地狱说看工作，但也有像 um you know there's a hell said seeing work but there's also like um
像博物馆，书画一样 going like museums and books and paintings
舞蹈作品和百老汇高清电影就像看东西一样 and dance works and broadway hd like seeing things and
而且也经历了你的核心，因为我认为那是 and just experiencing also getting to your core because i think that's where
作为护腿设计师，您必须对您的工作做出回应 as a legging designer you have to respond to your work it has to come from
你没有渲染，你会的 you you don't have a rendering um you will
增强了3d，但是您必须能够从中拉出 have augmented 3d but um you have to be able to pull from
自己创造自己的作品并做出回应，我认为这对您来说很重要 yourself to create your work and respond and i think that's important for you to
现在在这个时候真正让自己接地，以便当 really ground yourself now in this time so that when
我们在您可以移动的热座位上 we are in the hot seat you're able to move and um
您知道微调技能很重要，而且人际关系网 you know fine-tuning your skills is important and also networking
hal令人惊奇的一件事是我们总是在结尾处戴上耳机 one thing that hal does amazingly is we always have a headset at the end of our
有人来观察的桌子，嗯，我 table for someone to come and observe and um i
总是告诉人们找到您喜欢的设计师的作品 always tell people find a designer's work that you enjoy
并且您回复了and和，并向他们发送了一条消息， and that you respond to and and and and send them a message and
连接并找到您的联网方式 connect and and and find your way of networking
因为现在是每个人都在家的好时机 because now is a great time that everybody is home
没有人在工作，所以您可以与一两个设计师联系，也许 no one is working so you can connect with that designer or two and maybe have
面对面的小聊天，然后建立连接 a facetime little chat and and connect and build that
现在进行基础工作，以便当事情发展时就可以跳入该循环 groundwork now so when things get moving you can jump into that loop
我认为整个业务建立在您知道的网络上很重要 i think it's important this whole business is built on networking you know
hal给我带来了一个奇妙的机会，途径q hal gave me an amazing chance back with avenue q
哦20年前的感觉是现在，没有那么少的机会 oh what 20 years ago it feels like now and without that little chance
就像我不会坐在你面前我的意思是那是所有的东西 like i wouldn't be sitting here in front of you i mean it's that all that stuff
这都是关于您认识的人并建立联系的 it's all about who you know and making that connection
那持久的印象，所以我想你知道那里的孩子们 and that lasting impression so i think you know for the for the kids out there
你知道花时间找自己找到你所知道的东西，但是 you know take this time to find yourself find yours you know thing but also a
激发您灵感的设计师，并且真的想让您知道 designer that inspires you and and really trying to you know
与他们联系，我认为这很重要 connect with them i think it's important
太好了，非常感谢，我发现 it's amazing yeah thank you very much i i have found that
如您所说，我曾经在照明社区中的每个人 as you kind of said everybody in in the lighting community that i've ever
在我整个职业生涯中遇到的每个人都非常慷慨 encountered in in my whole career um everybody's incredibly generous and
每个人都是你知道那里没有太多的人 everybody is you know there there aren't too many people that
是不是无法接近或不愿意 are uh that are not approachable or not willing
聊天或帮忙，这是为什么 to to chat or help um and it's it's one of the reasons why
我爱我们的行业以及与我们一起工作的人们 i love our industry and and the people we get to work with every
大卫，你今天对我们的学生有什么 day um david what do you what do you have for our our student
朋友，是的，我的意思是我认为我要建立在这些家伙刚刚建立的基础上 friends yeah i mean i think to build on what these guys have just
说的是不要害怕问你知道那是我认为我们已经做过的一件事 said is don't be afraid to ask you know that's one thing i think we've
总是说当我们有实习生或学生进来时是 always said when we've had either interns or students come in is
就像我们想问的问题 like we want to ask questions ask questions
这就是您的学习方式，无论它是否在线 that's how you learn so whether it's going online and
研究设计师打电话给他们发短信给他们发电子邮件 researching designers calling them up texting them emailing
他们，你知道找到一种方法伸出手，我认为那是非常 them you know find a way to to reach out i think is that is very
重要的，然后有任何机会 important and then whatever opportunities come
跳起来，我的意思是我认为那是最重要的 jump at it i mean i think that's the most important thing
我曾经学过的是，你知道我是从 that i ever learned was that you know is i do everything from
从工业到电视，再到电影 from industrials through tv to to film to
百老汇的意思是不要拒绝任何东西 to broadway i mean don't don't turn anything down
你知道这一切是因为我的意思是你永远都不知道你会学到什么 you know do it all because i mean you never know what you're gonna learn in
一种格式会过渡到另一种格式 one format that's gonna cross over to another
你知道如果我没有做摇滚，就不会被要求做 you know if i hadn't done rock and roll i wouldn't have been asked to do the
岩石恐怖表演，这本来不会 rocky horror show which would not have been
第42街会让我领着哈尔本特利，你知道我在做什么 42nd street which would have led me to led me to hal bentley you know what i
意思是我我不会坐在这里跟我说话 mean i i wouldn't be sitting here talking to
如果我今天没回来，你现在对一块岩石说是 you now if i hadn't back in the day said yes to a rock and
滚动表演，所以一切都照做，照做 roll show so so do it all do it do and do it do as
尽我所能，我的建议就可以了 much as you can my advice all right david you asked for
我想问的一个问题只是因为我看到了这个问题 questions i want to i want to ask one just because i saw this come in i think
这是一个有趣的问题，你有喜欢的宏吗 it's a funny question uh do you have a favorite macro
最喜欢的宏um，我是否有最喜欢的宏 favorite macro um do i have a favorite macro i probably do
嗯，我会说这将是我的查询宏之一 um i would say it would be a one of my query macros i would say
是查询颜色还是查询预设，因为这将是您哦，什么 be either query color or query preset because it would be that you oh what
你所知道的会改变那种颜色或什么 what what you know change that color or what
你知道什么颜色是红色，所以 what what color is that you know that light that's down there with red so
带来了什么时候查询就像我一样 having the when query was brought in that was like to me
救生员，因此查询预设和宏 a lifesaver so query preset and macros that
创建预设并查询颜色，我认为我最喜欢的两个 create presets and query color i think my two favorite
您现在最需要的宏是什么？ what's your favorite macro the one that i need right now
我认为这也是一个很好的答案 which i think is also a really good answer well
无论什么使我到我想要最快的地方，我认为这是 whatever gets me where i want to be fastest and i think it's the
是的，永远，我告诉别人你知道，年轻人总是问我所有 yes yeah always and i tell people you know younger guys always ask me all the
时间我很抱歉我总是改变我我正在改变我 time i'm sorry i always change my i'm changing my
我一直在做什么的格式 format of of what how i'm doing stuff all the time
因为当您学习新东西时，如果您必须将其整合 because when you learn something new you've got to incorporate it if you
难道你不向后退，不是吗，你就没有进步，所以不要 don't you're going backwards and you're not you're not progressing so don't get
陷入困境是我对年轻程序员的建议 stuck into a rut is my advice to young programmers
你知道我的意思只是因为你永远不知道会发生什么 you know what i mean just because you never know what's going to come along in
一个新的软件版本，然后您就不需要紧紧的牵手 a new software version and then you don't need a tight hand behind your back
你知道的，所以要继续学习，是的，我认为那似乎是 you know so keep learning yeah well i think that's that seems to be the
每个人的主题是我们一直在学习我们一直在成长我们 theme of everyone is is we're always learning we're always growing we're
总是在发展，所以我认为这很好 always evolving yeah um so i i think that's a good
向快速消息传达快速的故事 message the quick one the quick story would be
对我来说，实际上不是它要多大 for me it was actually it's it's not about how big it would be a
brian mcdevitt的故事是我参加表演的 brian mcdevitt story was i showed up to do a show
嗯叫九，我准备好了，我准备好了，可能是奶奶 um called nine and i prepped it i prepped it on i probably was grandma
当时我走进去，那里有 at the time and i walked in and there was there was
一个工匠，我是一个艺术家，这是一个大师 an artisan and i was an artist and it was a virtuoso
我就像你知道我的意思，所以我就像 and i'm like what you know what i mean so i'm like
我很幸运地在演奏家做了几场演出 i i luckily had done a few shows on the virtuoso
但这不是我期望的是您知道我的意思，所以我从字面上看 but it wasn't what was i expecting you know what i mean so i literally on a
一角钱不得不从交换我的思路 dime had to to to swap my train of thought from from
奶奶到演奏家，我的意思是控制台在坐着 grandma to virtuoso i mean that was the console was sitting
在我面前，我好像不是我真正的 in front of me i was like it's not what i really
想要但好吧，是的，曾经做过的人都非常大 wanted but okay yeah anyone who's ever done that that's a really big mind
是的，当你是的时候，我就像这是我的 chain yeah when you yeah i'm like here's my
哦，错误的控制台，哦，好的，哦，是的，所以你不知道那会吗 oh wrong console oh okay oh yeah yeah so don't you know that that would
是我的建议不要以你的方式来设定 be my advice don't don't be set in your ways
愿意学习和改变 be willing to learn and change
绝对很好，再次非常感谢大家参加 absolutely uh well again thank you all so much for for taking
您的时间，并加入我们，特别感谢您 your time and joining us um a special thank you to to
与我们一起参加座谈会的人们感谢大家的参与 our folks that join us on the panel thank you all for attending
嗯，我真的很感激我 um i i really appreciate it i actually uh
乔·迪纳多（Joe dinardo）已给我发送了电子邮件 joe dinardo had emailed me uh ken billington
嗯，大卫·兰德和乔·圣也正在做灯光设计聊天 uh and david lander and joe saint are also doing a lighting design chat this
今天是东部时间下午2点 today uh it's at 2 p.m eastern it's through
乔治街剧院，我没有更多细节 george street playhouse i don't have any more particulars
但是谷歌它可以使它整天照亮 but google it you can make it a whole day of lighting
所以我们那边的一些朋友也聊他们的手艺，所以 so some of our friends over there uh also chatting about their craft so
随便看看我们吧，再次感谢您 feel free to look at us um so thank you again
呃，阿曼达·大卫和瑞安·豪威尔，我真的很感激 uh howell amanda david and ryan i really really appreciate it
呃，谢谢你罗宾·威尔，嗯，安妮和安妮的小狗四年前 uh thank you robin will uh and anne and anne's puppies um four years ago
嗯，非常感谢大家度过了美好的一天 and uh yeah thank you all so much have a fabulous day
谢谢有我们，是的，谢谢你们 thanks for having us yeah thanks thank you so much guys
再见，再见 see ya okay bye