just keep answering yes i'm
usr john henry
with the institute for applied autonomy
uh... much and that they also denise discussing the c_a_a_ which is the
critical art ensemble uh... those folks would love to plug be here but they've
been accused of bioterrorism a can speak probably
uh... so genentech
thanks a lot reared
area couple hopes ago
glad to be back
state yet three talks in an hour so we're going to go kinda fast 'cause we
really want to leave enough room for a good questions at the end
so uh... but all the stuff is on website so it can be proved starr to leisure
so it's different file tommy's a collective of engineer
uh... activists and artists
um... thrissur operate in
and opposite way that a group like dark operates rates or cert on did
in response to what the military zation of
of technological research
and asks her to happen 'cause we're looking at now
the state of activism and is increasingly looking a lot like this
right where you had
kind of a
a massive amount of technology technology on one side
and that was kinda coming directly from the battlefield to the streets
and then in the academic environment
you have the technologies being developed by basically the same kinds of
activists a head like kind of young people with really great ideas
serbian cordoned off into military development unless technologies being
reapply it back to them in the street
so we decide to operate in the opposite direction
so darpa defense advanced research projects agency they got about three
billion dollars a year
to uh... developed military technologies may have heard of some of them
the internet for instance
uh... m
so quickly got interested in uh... powell
how how these things get developed of what what you know what's our
conversations are going on driving them
so we decide to go to have been to the belly of it
i'd architect their annual symposium
uh...
you considered by admission into this and and and kind of be amongst
uh... the uh... the the responders and military personnel and what not
uh... but as as many of you know
i want to get one foot in the door it's very easy to get more feet in the door
if you have uh... you know
photoshop in addition printer
um...
so one of things we learned when we got there it was that there is kind of
these two
major belief systems that everything was relying on one was that we we need to
get rid of the people
um... they're they're the weak link in combat systems the fleshy beings that
need to sleep
uh...
and aren't the other side
we need to replace as many of the remaining fleshy beings
with robots
they're they're sort of driving for you know like a few people in the field
controlling many autonomous robots that are largely making decisions on their
own
and israeli in back to find out exactly which targets
they should be addressing or servicing as they say
so uh... are all route one whenever first initiatives was to to appropriate
their ideas on mobile robotics and apply them to the streets
we call this constitutional robotics
uh... one of these robots
skull the robotic graffiti writer and addresses this problem of graffiti
reading becoming an inky pick increasingly dangerous political act
people actually
serving long prison sentences
for uh... for writing graffiti in the streets
so we developed a mobile platform
that operates at high speed in his skis leary programmable with whatever you
want as far as your content is concerned
uh... we use a hacked calculator in order to
be the keypad
that interfaces with that and you have like a remote red button that functions
as the print button
uh... won the first
adolescence we we've learned the graffiti writer was was going to to our
nation's capital this is about
mamet five or six years ago
and uh...
we we
the citizens of the first time you're going to use the robot uh...
week week and i wanted to make sure we got something good before they got taken
away
so we ought to the capitol and we kind of bungled or way around for awhile and
kind of benchley did get the attention of security which we didn't intend to do
but uh... we got caught sort of red handed in the act of reading the message
voting is few tile
uh... on the steps of the capitol building
uh... now
we we pretty much expected that that that they did was up in this is the end
of it
we learned that because we have the shiny piece of technology
uh... the the cop basically didn't know how to deal with some kind of sent us on
ur our way
and confirm that they are now at least up being
afraid of cops and we step he started just kind of doing it
as publicly as he possibly could
uh... in
in broad daylight
we would get other people involved other people writing graffiti to you know
otherwise would never do it
uh... we we commandeered a live television broadcast and uh...
you had a web address of a austria distinct groups
speaking on the screen for about a and a half
so we took that design and decided
to inflate it
uh... and we'd rebuilt they are large trailer that could print
texas about six feet
tall
uh... and with what we learned from our previous experience
we knew that
that huge again as long as it looks really slaves loans that looks
institutional
ones it doesn't look like once activists you can get away with anything
so we went to the darpa grand challenge which was uh... urease of kind of
military robots across the desert
just to serve
introduced some kind of dissident voice into that space uh... missus basically
what the machine looked like
here we are
intimate in the inner circle of uh... of the darpa grand challenge as we pulled
up to the gate uh... you know we look like them we we looked like one of them
and uh... network they waved us through
uh... so let's make a long story short this is about the finish line of the
uh... the darpa grand challenge here we are
surprise not
the robot
uh... and the message we chose
specifically for this audience 'cause we thought that they would get at the
zarina largely
engineers uh... who don't necessarily have like the same political beliefs is
the funders do as many of you know
uh... so the message was that ll as mark quote reduced a robot must not kill
the first love robots
there is a something that that that we thought that they would uh... that they
would understand and relate to
uh... later research but it's just reply dot tommy relates more specifically to
surveillance in public spaces
specifically
uh... cctv video surveillance of public spaces
surveillance camera of the old variety these are the the scarecrow take
surveillance cameras that doesn't even really matter whether or not they work
they're supposed to
psychologically have an impact on you so that you behave yourself whenever you
see them
uh...
these are kind of a newer breed of surveillance cameras attend a blend into
the environment
here the ideas of course
your to assume that you're always under surveillance and will always behave
yourself
so we felt program called icy uh... which
basically plotted these out on a map
and provided that they don't have a dynamic fashion
on the webinar that short video of this will be the end of the i a part of the
toc
uh...
and their is audio
with this video and hopefully it'll all work
our website is
w_w_w_ dot
applied autonomy
dot com and all these videos and research papers and stuff for up there
thinking thinking thinking
this is uh... surveillance companies that they said in response to this
project
closed-circuit television cctv surveillance of public spaces on the
rise
using cameras installed on buildings a_t_m_ machines and traffic lights
police officers and private security guards monitor or every move a nineteen
ninety eight survey documented over twenty four hundred cameras in new york
city's public places since then the number has continued to skyrocket with
more cameras on the way it has become virtually impossible to avoid cc t_v_'s
prying eyes
until now utilizing advanced artificial intelligence technology
the institute for applied autonomy
has developed icy an inverse surveillance system that helps people
track and avoid cctv cameras visitors to the icy website are presented with a map
of new york city highlighting surveillance camera locations
predictably enough the majority are in the areas of great economic value such
as midtown and the financial district even those street crime is more
prevalent in low-income neighborhoods users click them now to indicate a
current location anna desired destination
and i seize route planning all tourism provides a path of least surveillance
avoiding as many cameras as possible this man may be printed out
since his launching october of two thousand one high-seas producing well
over one hundred thousand unique maps
in addition high-seas provoked a public debate over cctv use in such
publications as wired magazine and the london financial times and on web sites
including slashdot and foxnews i see is also featured on you know who's travel
and transportation guide to new york city
the institute for applied autonomy is currently working to expand icy to cover
additional cities and to make by sea available to wireless devices as the use
of cctv surveillance continues to grow so does the need for this valuable
service
i see
now more than ever
thinkcentre
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defends the s man
uh...
uh... unlike this is andy and i think um...
and john henry here said that um... the institute for applied at tommy is a kind
of collaboration between activists and artists and engineers
and uh... work were a bit like that except i would say there were more like
a collaboration between nam
activist social engineers in eighty eight's and um...
or alternately all play different roles a different times
uh...
really uh... it's it's exciting to be here
in a crowd that has a word
the describes what we doing our few words social engineering uh...
we social engineer with activists
and sand we don't actually have any particular
uh... we don't have goals in in mind we start but we usually figure out our way
as we go along
uh...
or initially in refill your clip of that explains on how we sort of stumbled into
this
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and and i love that i think this is that that i'm back there for the good work
there with the fact that i think that what you have a were quite good
event to talk about the life of birth that
all resumes but i don't like the look bad
variables
undergoes
government-approved took a look at the trial of doctor
the philadelphia region in the back of the persian food except and democratic
and conclusion
back at the don't have to learn a bit of american politics full-blown the work of
prohibition for example interaction
that recollections ithaca general the barbarian vision to be in place
got a problem
than another or very but probably in the building
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they've gone to bed with one of whom he looked bad
the battered by a
government relations thoroughbred radioactivity of course
bellwether no another long hill
if you have a corporation
parallel entity
and then after that
employment growth bowing saddleback
the gap is not really open ocean patrimony directly
but the company and the other uh... apparel
republican voluntarily
a lot of the vote
that the other
language condolences independent dr
moran
an
well cared essay about the uh... quality of the video there we will miss a
brother
shitty dub
but um anyway uh... the shocking thing that came out of this is you know we
expected that we would go into this context for people thought that we were
the world trade organization
and now it's all of these plans which satirize insisting programs of the
w_t_o_
we expect that people be shocked and outraged these were trade law experts in
the audience but instead of being shocked and outraged they simply
applauded politely and gave us a pat on the back
and throughout the rest of our time at this conference we continued to try to
push them in goad them into hating the w_t_o_ and doing something that would
indicate their displeasure with all of the the programs that we are announcing
uh... but all along we could not push them far enough we found that we had so
much a story
as the world trade organization
that none of these trade law experts were either willing to say anything
against what we're saying
or or willing to go against that so
this is a sort of shocking social experiment a little bit like n the
milligram experiment but where if we're sort of living in it
and uh... after this happened once we decided that it was easy enough to
continue
to answer these invitations and go and represent the w_t_o_ and a number of
different context so
uh... this is a sort of underground video that we made there was an
afterthought we just had the video as a sort of witness of the event
and uh... for the following uh... events where we wanna represented the w_t_o_
and
places like that textiles conference in finland and he was on cnbc
market wrap your
debating an anti globalization activist
among the other kind of venues and he was is that
in all adult service spiraled out of control and and we continue to sort of
of the w_t_o_ try to push things
further and further try to push the ideas of the w_t_o_ to their logical
conclusion although while trying to highlight the uh... continued to pound
descriptive disparity between rich and poor or that the w_t_o_
policies promote
uh... and of course all the while we found out that that
no matter what we said or what we did
that people still simply wouldn't agree with what the w_t_o_ set which indicates
that we are of course anna
engager crisis of information and ideas in the world especially in that context
in the context of
experiences
uh...
so i anyway that's all the subject of a movie that's gonna be coming out and
uh... at the end of the summer united artists is putting out its documentary
about these uh...
weirdness social engineering experiments
europe which
of in the name of the movie is the yes man
information about the movie in the
and us
uh... at the yes man dot org
and uh...
bridges can introduce a third group
on and some of them said
beef on them
another group that does uh... that like
ascent
okay
on has taken on a major
kind of economic power in the world today
and use sixteenths
clarify them
as society may have heard about the uh... situation ever our friends in
critical art ensemble
uh... neighboring
familiar to you
uh... creek learn some bles a collective again of artists
uh... working interdisciplinary lee
with uh...
experts and various fields and for the last
five or six years they've been working specifically in the field of
biotechnology
uh... basically they're interested in getting people too
think critically about how these technologies get used and what sort of
agenda's director jerk is driving their development
but also to educate them and demystify the technology so that that's
the position is not that any technology is good or bad it's at the technology
should be understood by the public
and we should consider who's in control of that technology
very simple idea
uh... this project
that that's in the picture here is called free range grains
now when they do these performances quite often they take on the guys uh...
of a corporation
uh... or
assaults in one case
uh... but
and that sort of the the voice that people are sort of see it coming from
the nazi bunch artists they see whatever at this identity they're taking on so
there's this element social engineering there
uh... in this case
they uh...
their doings performed scot free range greens in which they invite people to
bring organic produce
to the gallery or museum where ever it is that they're they're they're doing
this performance sometimes they do it farmers markets
uh...
uh... briefings they're labeled organic
and data net test them genetically for d_n_a_ that's present and genetically
modified
corn or whatever the uh... the food is
and quite often
they they test positive
and fact regularly they test positive
so
list this project they've done kind of a number of environments most recently
this was at them
uh... massachusetts
what is a calm these
masters at some
mass mocha
uh...
big art museum but i think there are there to see this exhibit you'll see
have big
empty space actually because the entire contents of this
exhibit are now in the possession of the f_b_i_
we'll find out why that is momentarily
uh... another project just to give you an idea of the kind of work that is
called jen terra
in this case they took on the identity
uh... they ate a transgenic ps
corporations ah... suspect they're doing they're creating genetically modified
organisms taking the d_n_a_ from one organism
sticking it in to that
d_n_a_ of an order one
seeing what happens that's that's basically sort of how
how transgenic sports in a nutshell uh...
and what they do in these performances
is they set up as this company doing scott of public
public interactions with people and like say a natural history museum for example
and uh... and looks a lot like this they you know they have lab technicians
and people
are sort of educated and a little bit about how transgenic swore tx
and they're presented with this machine
and it's its
has a design of a laboratory machine but it functions also a bit like a roulette
wheel
there's a spinning
table of uh...
petri dishes each petri dish contains
a bacterial culture some of them transgenic some of the not
but the transgenic once
like i said you can't meet demand out one thing sticking it to be the other
you don't know necessarily what's going to happen
this is this process is
repeated in transgenic slabs all over the world thousands of times a day
there's is very very slim chance that something bad could happen it could be a
very alert strain that you've created sperry small chance
thousands of times a day right
there's no sort of oversight their risk assessment sociated with this
so they present people
with this dilemma
and this kind of roulette wheel
are they willing to press the button and released this unknown
bacterial culture into the atmosphere very small chance but the question that
they're posing to people is do you trust the scientists are not
one thing to ask that is a theoretical question
but you know you learn a lot more and you really consider the issues affair
actually posed with that as a as a functional question
so this is the kinds of work
that they've been doing for the last
five or six years these are dedicated to advocating the public
about these technologies
demystifying them so that we don't have a situation where you've got people that
are
just have a general fear of biotechnology in genetically modified
organisms without understanding why and you don't have
the corporations on the other side that have no oversight no risk assessment
it's not educating the public so they can make informed policy decisions
these bacterial cultures
were kept in steve's house
this is where he conducts his lab as any
does he use the space available to you
your hacker you got you know your computer at home it's that's that's
that's where you do your work
in your studio
uh...
and
a terrible thing happened uh... may eleventh just just a few months ago
uh... steve
kurtz of creek learned sample woke up
to find his wife was no longer breathing
and
he called the uh... he called the paramedics called nine one one
they came to his house
and
they saw these these these petri dishes
that the police also come when there's a that dot in the house
uh...
ship died of a heart attack your sleep
and unrelated to any of this as
everyone agrees to this point
but the police saw the petri dishes they call the f_b_i_ the f_b_i_ called the
joint terrorism task force
and before you know it like
two blocks of steve's neighborhood are roped off
steve's an f_b_i_ custody and
guys and has met seats
uh... coming to his house
confiscating the lab
his computers his books
his wife's body
and uh...
after a few days they announce that the house is is clean it's not uh...
presented no threat to the public
uh... the bacterial cultures that were present was a strain of e_ coli strain
of us are right here anna strain of bacillus
atrophy s
these are all harmless strains that are available from
scientific
distributors to sell a sort of thing
uh... but
an f_b_i_ investigation continued
and
suddenly steeple started getting subpoenas
uh... everybody associated with the group
was a very wide net was cast everyone
uh... from students
of steve too
uh... the publisher of his books
uh...
and i'll be enough it seemed like everybody that was able to speak
publicly about the case started receiving subpoenas as well
when you get a risk at a subpoena if you don't intend to uh...
if you tend to plead the fifth you gotta stop talking to the press
uh...
so
uh... so grand jury hearing was was was formed and uh...
people were in him
yet to come out and about the business
process has probably been experienced by number of people here and we want to
hear from you after richard and tones tale
um...
but the uh... the grand jury hearing
uh... was presented with this evidence they're presented with all these people
and being subpoenaed in talking about the case
uh... and
the charges might from
being bioterrorism which is what
was listed on the subpoenas i'm sorry i didn't mention that
uh... on that on the subpoenas he was he was being charged with bioterrorism
under the bar terror weapons act of nineteen eighty nine
which
had been modified by the patriot act
such that
you didn't have to actually be in possession of anything dangerous putting
the patriot act you don't have to be in possession of a biological agent without
a peaceful purpose so if you have yogurt you intend to harm someone with yogurt
urine by a large actually you know you have to attend the harmonies can have a
peaceful purpose you have a neutral purpose and still fall into that
category
um...
so there that the grand jury hearing was presented to this evidence and he
eventually was indicted recently
but the charge had changed radically
from by a tear to mail fraud
uh...
and that may be sound familiar to many of you because that's that's the charge
they usually use against
mobsters and people for which they can actually convective
anything else that something that just about anybody can get convicted of
anna's related to how he got the bacterial cultures basically he called
the company
they wouldn't sell into an individual 'cause they don't deal with individuals
i mean
plots of the invite printer toner that want sultan individualists all the
university's said is
microbiologist guy that is collaborating with on the project at him by it
somehow that-that's that's uh...
that's become the core of the case
uh... anyway uh... a lot of people have come together all over the world
an order call attention to this case
because
at it is
just the most classical example i no of right now
about about politicized voice being being silenced as a result of of these
legislations that were passed under a very paranoid
period in history
uh...
so there's a group called the uh... see a defense fund
that was formed c_d_-eight he defense fund the dot
uh...
and you can call the case more press releases
uh... and i'll
maybe invite the s men to come up and talk about how that's been organized
monks all these
different groups all over the world
yeah basically that's the whole story and on the sea defence fund is just
doing all it can't hurt
uh... make the make more more people aware of the situation
i'm in all its ramifications and if there are people here hasn't sure
they're quite a few good
experience is that
on this reminds them of in some way uh... with the f_b_i_ or other agencies
we'd love to talked if he could write if you like writing to media at c eighty
defense fund dot org and sharing your information your your ideas
arm
could be useful to
uh... perhaps the case itself and perhaps arm
our work in in
uh... spreading the word ng threatening getting in their own returned a
compile
uh...
footage of the center
various forms that
we could get out there so i guess we'll just uh... take questions and clarify
what we can clarify it
person and that he did
if you could stuck into the mic because that they'd like to record the questions
as well
you'd you monthly and you have to get the right to talk to the press
in one sentence
people just to matter
when it comes
okay that's not a legal requirement it's just sound legal advice uh... if if you
continue talking the press after you've played the fifth
i mean plead the fifth is uh...
you know you have the right not to incriminate yourself
uh... and
by by not speaking so if you can take you to talk to the press
your you are
it's hard to make the case in the courtroom
betty you can't speak about the issue
but potentially that could
that could be brought into the courtroom and used against you in the future
and the reason people plead the fifth is because during a grand jury hearing
actually don't know what the charges are
and you don't know if you are in fact the church becoming as a witness
you don't know how far the the the dragons being cast for instance
people were brought into the courtroom to talk about bioterrorism and help the
other and they're talking about
a state technicality in a male transaction
and there is no opportunity for
your defense to make its decision on
but
in a grand jury indictment he there there is uh... you can't your lawyer
can't be there to represent your position so one-sided thanks for the
prosecution
can ask any question that one
and the only ask questions that they know the answer to that corso
uh... they can present a very one-sided case to the grand jury and almost all
grand juries and in indictments for that reason
skits
did we mention that this this case is already going for the arraignment has
just happened and
there might be more charges brought we don't know what they will be but there's
definitely gonna be a trial
soul so worth noting that the mail fraud church uh... as a result of the and run
situation
uh... the legislation was amended such that the penalty for single count the
maxim totally went from five years to twenty years
so while under the buyer tera weapons
the maximum penalty was i believe ten years
uh...
now is being charged with four counts
related to this single male transaction which as max from penalty if eighty
years
morning i'm actually a question for the yes men home i've been following what
you've been doing for a long time and again in front of your work
and um... because with uh... with the with the movie coming out soon do you
think that's gonna blow things open too far for you to continue doing what it
what it is that uh... you doing
probably not know on this
there's one point in the movie where were were showing footage of uh...
mine counter with that tech local station activist on t_v_ was showing
footage of adding counter to the entire globalisation activist in his office in
london
and he doesn't know this even though i'm dressed exactly the same in it's it's
just
human tendency not to
to expect
somebody there is right you just don't think about that sort of thing so
think also a fake moustache something could help but other people can do it
just as easily as we can to it it doesn't take any special talent to do
that sort of thing so
a fungus which would be that yes we've
do it anymore and i think people will
i have a question about why people are so against genetically monthly foods in
general
united here i'm of the believe that that knowledge in the world a better place
ninety computers are found ways but really
it's about making a better world and i think you know people not starving to
death makes the world a lot better than anything else we can possibly do
and the only way to feed six billion people
uh... i i i don't think that natural props can do it i mean even modifying
the food that we eat over thousands of years of agriculture through selection
anyway
you know why cant technology make this better you know what why does it have to
be evil
bulletin
we all want to answer that
uh... but we also don't like
that's a big can of worms rape
so it's it's it's like we're saying it's not in that matter that being
computer bad it's about our matter to be proper oversight
you there's there's no understanding of how
and the critical art ensemble sperry clear about uh... and if you in a
message in error could not quite species into the environment
there's very little way of predicting exactly how the rest of the americans
can react to that species
uh... for that reason
their there needs to be testing period or something but right now there there
is not there is no oversight of the cutest put your crops out there
animal cited as the test sites
d_n_a_ hands up in their neighboring farmers feel they can actually see that
person for violating their patent
uh...
so
so you're saying they should be over certainly should be testing
and then you're complaining that they're doing testing
you sent a test deals testimony in the atmosphere
like an outdoor test field where does it actually interacts with the rest the
environment yet anderson signs in their sciences testing this testing one when
it's under the control inter-league monsanto
and there's no oversight of that process animal
i don't trust
abstract
notions of science enough to assume that book
monsanto doing science is the same as
sauces that we don't trust anyone center does not want to feed the world they
want to sell food cultural
and also your idea that
crop that we need to medically modified crops in order to feed the world there
are a lot of experts who dispute that
there's a lot of extra fuel dispute anything
i'm just wondering if
if found culture jamming and uh... the use of satire to uh...
bills for you
is uh...
something that just seems to be
you know something that would be of people who are left leaning continue
helping them for any
right wing culture jamming
uh... war
any rightly equivalents of uh... uh...
the anyway we were going to do the kind of
secure cool stuff that you guys do
and also
also um...
how one
have you felt any kind of like the
have you felt like the the tentacles of
the occurred administration
you know the loopholes
you too close to you for
you had a and annual unpleasant counters
that's right
i can tell is a really strange on the right wing
culture jamming activism story who recently went to uh... chicago
to the heritage foundation resource bank meeting in the heritage foundation is
one of the largest right wing think tanks and twenty five million dollar a
year budget
uh... we walked in and then uh... there was a group there a group of protesters
when our street seats
and uh... we thought well this is amazing protesters when we can go up and
talk to them and kinda let him know that were actually undercover reno and see if
we have some affinity the turned out that there are attempts hired by a group
whose goal today and a group that side in favor of what's called school choice
but underline their goals of school choice is
what they call dismantling the welfare state so you wanna they want to actually
dismantled public education
and put it in the hands of private education
but mom they hired
abroad a bunch of acting as he didn't know that they were actually playing the
role of of supporting
uh... anti-gun anti-poverty will initiate it
so that might be considered edited
i don't know an example of them
a kind of right wing culture jamming because they even fooled us we thought
these were genuine activists wearing ostrich states it was uh...
african-american young women that they had put in these ostrich seats with
signs that said we need to fix you know uh... fix public schools and fix uh...
social security as well
so it's quite at
quite strange uh... experience
tentacles arm
basically this case is the first time we felt really threatened like
week we set up a a website
attacking george bush in the first campaign
for the stolen
the uh...
the eat
he lashed out
in various ways including saying there ought to be in the midst of freedom and
asking for uh... with the federal elections commission to
two bands
assessor political action committee that was not feeling its funding and so on
um...
the fifty dollars a kiss would pay for the domain name
that that was the closest we came to you know i was just look stupid lashing out
so with this case now we're filling
how their they're paying attention to this this group in a really heavy handed
uh... outrageous way and who knows where that could stop
now now that's our feeling was never really felt
that before
anything like that
uh... you know just so former question i have a comment for the garber pensioner
tomorrow five
so think about him one central's putting pesticides invested in the twenty
engineering versus what was the naturally in the past
question about the world dot our plans are or those broomsticks opens move on
your website
there are plans bitten
we wrote the plans before re actually made machine
uh... so use at your own risk
yet but there's there's like unit
civil code for the software and basic design of how the how the the machine
works i'm we don't have like specific plans for how you machine individual
parts and fortunately
dependent on with all of the show
uh... somebody recently sort of modified our design and seemingly has done it
with off-the-shelf parts as a student parsons
uh... that on the back of a bicycle
um... and i haven't actually seen it close but at it works really well
search around for that
i think was that
i forgot the name of the book
right now but against bush is the name of the group
bikes ok bikes against bush dot org
kurt vonnegut's book about the guy who with that
nazi
plant and not to plan in germany who actually inspired
allotted beyond
mt jewish
are you guys from earlier with a book and he thought about can you inspired
anybody
monica entries in your
pretending to be
people is anyone's that cool that's a really good idea keep in mind for net
back to my country
uh... not swordfish
we defense release
no i mean bt
the answers is interesting there were there was a lot of going along with
things were saying but we didn't get the feeling that anybody was just jumping
for
joy at our thoughts and
and expanding on them and so on until we took
the opposite asked and decided this we were never going to get through them
satire was never going to work and so we tried to be sincere and express as the
world trade organization what the world trade organization
would do if it were us
and so
you can see in the movie going to spend that world trade organization and then
people really did jump for joy peace accountants that we were speaking to
were thrilled and gave us lots of ideas and
uh...
probly took it with them in some way
so some interesting
statement about what
what makes sense to people
i have an observation to make about uh...
genetic engineering
correctly anybody and speak but it was watching quickly discovered that you
know
when these did uh... discovered is but you know
when there is with the supposition was that would be a woman to woman
correspondence between genes and proteins
and most of our
understanding and knowledge and science is built on that supposition
when the finally become the human genome we discover that yours
two-thirds more proteins and there are chains
they're scrambling like mad to drive up with something but basically we don't
know what we're doing
i was just wondering if i hear you were involved in the recent canadian supreme
court case uh... around a break rocks and if there are any similar cases going
on
don't know about
silicates going on but that that was an inspiration for doing the free range
trains project for critical art ensemble
people don't know that our unfamiliar with this case monsanto
uh... managed to sue a neighboring farmer
there was an organic farmer because they're
copyrighted d_n_a_ was turning up in his
his foods he wasn't planting these that they were just the seeds were blowing
into his fields like seats tend to do
and i i actually don't do you happen to know what the outcome of the crickets
was 'cause i think one central one
time arm
i'm not necessarily against
genetic engineering but i think everyone in this room should know and i really
don't want to beat a dead horse
but american makes another crops and food to feed entire world
not necessary
and military so i believe
the problem is poverty and american corporations do not want to give away
food
among your story of uh... what happened to steve is uh...
actually very worrying it sounds to me is that he is in really serious
situation
is the uh... in jail nam was out on bail and secondly what kind of do you have a
strong legal assistance
he's he's got an excellent attorney as attorneys
also larry flint security and marilyn manson tutoring
uh...
he's not in is not in custody he's at home
uh... he ki
that's the charges were downgraded friend
downgrade there's change and that that the mail fraud charge even though it
carries a potentially enormous penalty of the bail was was extremely small any
action to only has to post it i think if he doesn't show
sir turnaround for the new talking about in the world at this point
he goes to prison these these charges also have
mandatory minimums associated with them and they are felonies and these aren't
necessarily the last charges that will be brought against in the indictment
could continue
uh... i i'd like to not just recommend that people go check out the updates for
this etsy eighty defense fund dot org
and now you can follow that the case there and i think it's a case that does
retains a everybody who is involved in hacking because uh... in a sense uh...
these guys that critical art ensemble
fired in a kind of uh... webware hacking
uh... and i think that
that this case could set precedent that would affect all of us cell
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