“普罗米修斯从众神那里窃取了火种并将其送给了人类” "PROMETHEUS STOLE FIRE FROM THE GODS AND GAVE IT TO MAN."
“为此 他被锁在岩石上 遭受永生永世的折磨” "FOR THIS HE WAS CHAINED TO A ROCK AND TORTURED FOR ETERNITY."
奥本海默博士 Dr. Oppenheimer.
开始的时候 我希望你宣读一份声明记录在案 As we begin, I believe you have a statement to read into the record.
好的 法官大人 Yes, your honor.
-我们不是法官 博士 -明白 -We're not judges, Doctor. -No.
各位安全委员会成员 Members of the security board,
你们在阅读我的起诉书中所谓的审讯信息时 the so-called interrogatory information in your indictment of me
如果不结合我的生活和工作 cannot be fairly understood except in the context
是无法公正地理解的 of my life, and my work.
他作证多久了？ How long did he testify?
说实话 我忘了 Honestly, I forget.
整个听证会持续了一个月 The whole hearing took a month.
-一场磨难 -哦 我只读了文字记录 -An ordeal. -Oh, I've only read the transcripts.
-谁愿意公开自己的一生呢？ -你当时不在场吗？ -Who'd want to justify their whole life? -You weren't there?
作为主席 我不能出现 As chairman, I wasn't allowed to be.
他们真的会问吗？ Are they really going to ask about it?
那是几年前的事了 It was years ago.
-四年前 -五 -Four years ago. -Five.
奥本海默仍然分裂美国 Oppenheimer still divides America.
委员会想知道你的立场 The committee's going to want to know where you stood.
瑟蒙德参议员让我说不要觉得你在受审 Senator Thurmond asked me to say not to feel that you're on trial.
有意思 你这么说我才觉得 Oh, funny. I didn't, until you just said that.
-真的 施特劳斯先生…… -是将军 -Really, Mr. Strauss... -It's Admiral.
施特劳斯将军 这只是例行公事 Admiral. Admiral Strauss, this is a formality.
艾森豪威尔总统钦点你加入他的内阁 President Eisenhower has asked you to be in his cabinet.
参议院别无选择 只能确认他的任命 The Senate really has no choice but to confirm him.
如果他们提到奥本海默呢？ And if they bring up Oppenheimer?
要是他们提到奥本海默 你就如实回答 When they bring up Oppenheimer, you answer honestly,
没有参议员能否认你尽了自己的职责 no senator can deny you did your duty.
确实很不舒服 It'll be uncomfortable.
谁愿意公开自己的一生呢？ Who'd want to justify their whole life?
你为什么离开美国？ Why did you leave the United States?
我……我想学习新物理学 I... I wanted to study the new physics.
在美国不行吗？ Was there nowhere here?
我以为伯克利大学有一流的理论物理系 I thought Berkeley had the leading theoretical physics department.
是的 直到我创建它 Yes, once I built it.
但我得先去欧洲 But first I had to go to Europe.
我去了剑桥 跟随帕特里克·布莱克特学习 I went to Cambridge, to study under Patrick Blackett.
你在那里比在美国更快乐吗？ Were you happier there than in America?
-更快乐？ -是的 -Happier? -Yes.
不 No.
不 我 呃…… No, I, uh...
我想家了 而且…… I was homesick and...
情感很不成熟…… emotionally immature...
被隐藏宇宙的…… Troubled by visions of a...
幻象所折磨 hidden universe.
做实验笨手笨脚 Useless in the lab.
天啊 奥本海默 Christ, Oppenheimer.
没睡好觉吗？ Have you had any sleep?
再来 Start again.
我要去听讲座 先生 I need to go to a lecture, sir.
为什么？ Why?
是尼尔斯·玻尔 It's Niels Bohr.
我完全忘了 I completely forgot.
好了 我们走 Alright! Let's go.
不 不是说你 奥本海默 Oh no, not you, Oppenheimer.
你得把这些盘子收好 You finish coating those plates.
量子物理学不是向前迈出的一步 Quantum physics is not a step forward.
而是一种理解现实的新方法 It is a new way to understand reality.
爱因斯坦打开了门 Einstein's opened the door.
透过它 我们现在看到了一个我们世界里的世界 Now we are peering through, seeing a world inside our world,
一个充满能量和矛盾的世界 不是每个人都能接受的 a world of energy and paradox that not everyone can accept.
你没事吧？ You alright?
尼尔斯 这位是J·罗伯特·奥本海默 Nils, meet J. Robert Oppenheimer.
J代表什么？ What's the J stand for?
什么也没有 Nothing, apparently.
你听了我的讲座 问了唯一一个好问题 You were at my lecture. You asked the only good question.
没人否认他的洞察力 No one's denying his insight.
但他做实验有点不尽如人意 It's his laboratory work that leaves a little to be desired.
我听了你同样的回答…… I heard you give the same answer...
在哈佛 是的 你问了同样的问题 At Harvard, yes, and you asked the same question.
为什么又问？ Why ask again?
我不喜欢你的回答 I hadn't liked your answer.
-你比较喜欢昨天的？ -好多了 -Did you like it better yesterday? -A lot.
在你准备好对付蛇之前 千万不要搬开大石头 You can lift a stone without being ready for the snake that's revealed.
现在看来你已经准备好了 Now it seems you're ready.
但你不喜欢实验室 But you don't enjoy the lab.
所以离开剑桥的瓶瓶罐罐吧 So get out of Cambridge, with its beakers and potions.
去一个能让你思考的地方 Go somewhere they'll let you think.
去哪好？ Where?
-哥廷根 -波恩 -Göttingen. -Born.
对 波恩 Born.
去德国 投入马克斯·玻恩门下 学习理论物理学 Get to Germany, study under Max Born, learn the ways of theory.
我为你写推荐信 I'll send word.
有虫子 Worm hole.
你的数学怎么样？ How's your mathematics?
如果他想成为物理学家 可能还不够好 Not good enough for the physicist he wants to be.
代数就像音乐 Algebra's like sheet music,
重要的不是读懂音乐 而是能听见音乐 the important thing isn't can you read music, it's can you hear it.
你能听见音乐吗 罗伯特？ Can you hear the music, Robert?
我可以 Yes, I can.
艾略特 《荒原》（1922）
毕加索 《交叉双臂坐着的女人》
斯特拉文斯基 《春之祭》（1913）
有请怀俄明州参议员 The senator from Wyoming.
施特劳斯将军 我对你和罗伯特·奥本海默博士的关系 Admiral Strauss, I'm interested in your relationship
很感兴趣 with Dr. J. Robert Oppenheimer.
你在1947年认识他 You met him in 1947.
没错 Correct.
你曾担任原子能委员会委员 You were a commissioner of the Atomic Energy Commission.
是的 但其实我是以普林斯顿高等研究院 I was, but I actually met Robert in my capacity
董事会成员的身份认识罗伯特的 战后…… as board member of the Institute for Advanced Study at Princeton. It was...
他被誉为世界著名的物理学大师 after the war, he was world-renowned as the great man of physics,
我决定让他来管理这个研究所 and I was determined to get him to run the Institute.
奥本海默博士 很荣幸见到你 Dr. Oppenheimer. An honor.
施特斯先生 Mr. Strauss.
念作“施特劳斯” It's pronounced "Strauss".
奥本海姆 奥本海默…… "Oppenheimer", "Oppenheimer"...
不管你怎么读 他们都知道我是犹太人 Either way you say it, they know I'm Jewish.
我是曼哈顿的以马内利会堂的主席 I'm president of Temple Emanu-El in Manhattan.
“施特劳斯”是南方发音 "Strauss" is just a Southern pronunciation.
总之 欢迎来到研究所 我想你在这里会很开心的 Anyway, welcome to the Institute. I think you'll be very happy here.
对了 通勤很方便 你会喜欢的 Yes, well, you'll love the commute.
那所房子就是为你就职后和你妻子准备的 The position comes with that house for you and your wife,
还有你的……是两个孩子吧？ and your... is it two children?
对 两个 Yes, two.
我很欣赏你的工作 I'm a great admirer of your work.
你是受过正规学习的物理学家吗 施特劳斯先生？ You're a physicist by training, Mr. Strauss?
抱歉 这里是公共休息室 四点钟准时提供茶点 I'm sorry, uh, common room, four o'clock tea.
不 我没有物理或其他方面的证书 No, I'm not trained in physics or anything else.
我是自学成材的 I'm a self-made man.
啊 我能理解 Ah, I can relate to that.
-真的？ -是的 我父亲就是这样一个人 -Really? -Yes, my father was one.
这将是你的办公室 And this would be your office.
我听说他大多数下午都在那里 I'm told he's there in most afternoons.
我一直很好奇 You know, I've always wondered
你为什么不让他参与曼哈顿计划 why you didn't involve him in the Manhattan Project.
他是我们时代最伟大的科学家 Greatest scientific mind of our time.
是他的时代 Of his time.
爱因斯坦发表相对论 Einstein published his Theory of Relativity
已经过去40多年了 more than 40 years ago now.
他永远不能接受已经揭示的量子世界 Could never embrace the quantum world it revealed.
“上帝不会掷骰子” "God doesn't play dice."
正是如此 Precisely.
施特劳斯先生 你从没想过正式学习物理吗？ You never thought of studying physics formally, Mr. Strauss?
有人曾建议 但是……我选择卖鞋 I had offers, but... I chose to sell shoes.
谁能想到刘易斯·施特劳斯曾经是个卖鞋的 Lewis Strauss was once a lowly shoe salesman.
对 鞋子销售员 No, just a shoe salesman.
-我很乐意为你引见 -不必 -I'd love to introduce you. -No need.
我认识他很多年了 I've known him for years.
阿尔伯特 Albert.
怎么回事? 你对他说什么了？ What was that? What did you say to him?
噢 没什么 Oh, he's fine.
施特劳斯先生 我过去……有些事你应该知道的 Mr. Strauss, there are... things in my past you ought to be aware of.
噢 身为原子能委员会主席 Well, as chairman of the AEC,
我有权查阅你的安全档案 I have access to your security file. I've read it.
-你不担心吗？ -不 -You're not worried? -No.
你为国家付出这么多 我有什么好担心的？ Why would I be worried, after everything you've done for your country?
嗯 时代变了 施特劳斯先生 Well, times change, Mr. Strauss.
这个研究所的目的 Well, the purpose of this institute
是为独立思想提供避风港 is to provide a haven for independent minds.
就是你 That's you.
你是这项工作的最佳人选 You are the man for the job.
好的 我会考虑的 Well, then I'll consider it.
明天原子能委员会会议上见 I'll see you at the AEC meeting tomorrow.
这是这个国家最受尊重的职位之一 This is one of the most prestigious appointments in the country.
是的 通勤也很棒 Yes, and a great commute.
所以我还在考虑 That's why I'm considering it.
那么奥本海默博士有没有让你注意到他过去的事情 So Dr. Oppenheimer brought your attention to his past associations
在你任命他之前？ before you appointed him?
有的 Yes.
你不担心吗？ And they didn't concern you?
当时 我满脑子都在想他究竟说了什么 Just then I was entirely consumed with what he must have said
让爱因斯坦对我大发雷霆 to Einstein to sour him on me.
那之后呢？ But later?
后来的事人人都知道了 Well, we all know what happened later.
博士 你在欧洲的那段时间 Doctor, your time in Europe,
似乎结识了很多其他国家的物理学家 you seem to meet with a wide range of other countries' physicists.
是的 没错 Yes, that's right.
有俄国人吗？ Any Russians?
一时想不起 如果你允许的话 None that spring to mind. If you'll just allow me
我想先继续我的陈述…… -罗伯先生 to continue with my statement... -Mr. Robb,
你会有足够的机会进行交叉询问的 you'll have ample opportunity to cross-examine.
哥廷根之后 我去了荷兰的莱顿 在那里我第一次见到伊西多·拉比 After Göttingen, I moved on to Leiden, in Holland, where I first met Isidor Rabi.
不好意思 Excuse me.
一个美国佬 开讲新物理学 A yank. Lecturing on the new physics.
这我必须听听 This I have to hear.
我也是美国人 I'm an American myself.
真令人惊讶 How surprising.
如果你需要英语翻译 随时效劳 Let me know if you need any help with the English.
等等 他说什么？ Wait, what's he saying?
不用 谢谢 No, thank you.
去苏黎世还有很长的路 It's a long way to Zurich.
如果你再瘦一点 可能就掉进座垫之间找不着了 If you get any skinnier, we're gonna lose you between the seat cushions.
-我是拉比 -奥本海默 -I'm Rabi. -Oppenheimer.
我听了你关于分子的讲座 I caught your lecture on molecules.
受益匪浅 Caught some of it.
我们都是纽约犹太人 你怎么会荷兰语的？ We're a couple of New York Jews, how do you know Dutch?
即然这学期要来这里 我觉得最好还是学一下 Well, I thought I'd better learn it when I got here this semester.
你在六周内就学会了荷兰语来做一个量子力学的讲座吗？ You learned enough Dutch in six weeks to give a lecture on quantum mechanics?
我喜欢挑战自我 I like to challenge myself.
量子物理学还不够有挑战性 Quantum physics wasn't challenging enough.
-凡尔赛（意第绪语） -凡尔赛? -Shvitzer？ -Shvitzer.
炫耀 Show-off.
六个星期就学会了荷兰语 但你从来没学过意第绪语 Dutch in six weeks, but you never learned Yiddish.
我那边的人不怎么说意第绪语 They don't speak it so much my side of the park.
去你的 Screw you.
-想家吗？ -哦 你知道的 -You homesick? -Oh, you know it.
有没有觉得我们这种人在这里不受欢迎？ Ever get the feeling our kind isn't entirely welcome here?
物理学家？ Physicists?
-不开玩笑 -没有区别 -That's funny. -Not in the department.
物理学家都是犹太人 They're all Jewish, too.
吃吧 Eat.
你得去找一个德国人 There's this German you have to seek out.
-海森堡 -对 -Heisenberg. -Right.
人们可能会推测 在量子世界背后 One might be led to the presumption that behind the quantum world
仍然隐藏着一个存在因果关系的真实世界 there still hides a real world in which causality holds,
但是这样的推测在我们看来 明确地说 是徒劳的 but such speculations seem to us, to say it explicitly, fruitless.
谢谢 祝大家愉快 Thank you. Have a great day.
-很捧 -谢谢 -Wonderful. -Thank you.
-奥本海默博士 -奥本海默 是你！ -Dr. Oppenheimer. -Oppenheimer, yes!
我喜欢你关于分子的论文 I liked your paper on molecules.
可能是因为你启发了它 Probably because you inspired it.
如果我启发了什么灵感 告诉我 我们可以一起做论文 If I inspire anything else, let me know. We could publish together.
-我必须回美国了 -为什么？ -I have to get back to America. -Why?
那里没人把量子力学当回事 There's no one there taking quantum mechanics seriously.
这就是原因 That's exactly why.
他心系曼哈顿的峡谷 He's pining for the canyons of Manhattan.
新墨西哥州的峡谷 Canyons of New Mexico.
你从新墨西哥州来？ 不 纽约 -You're from New Mexico? -No, New York.
但我弟弟和我在圣达菲郊外有个农场 But my brother and I have a ranch outside Santa Fe.
那才是我魂牵梦萦的美国 That's the America I miss right now.
那你们最好赶紧回家 牛仔们 Then it's best you get home, cowboys.
那是他 That's him.
不 我和马？ No, me and horses?
我不这么认为 I don't think so.
很高兴认识你 Nice to meet you.
你有没有再次遇到海森堡？ Did you ever encounter Heisenberg again?
不是面对面 不过…… Not in person, no, but...
你可以说我们有过交集 you might say our paths crossed.
回到美国后 On returning to America,
我接受了加州理工和伯克利的教职 I accepted positions at both Caltech and up at Berkeley.
劳伦斯博士 是吧？ Dr. Lawrence, I presume?
你一定是奥本海默 You must be Oppenheimer.
是的 Yes.
我听说你想开一个量子理论研讨班 I hear you want to start a school of quantum theory.
我要开始了 在隔壁 I am starting it, next door.
-他们把你安排在这？ -我申请的 -They put you in there? -I asked for it.
想接近你们这些实验物理学家 Wanted to be close to you experimentalists.
理论总是灰色的 Theory will get you only so far.
我们正在建造一台电子加速器 We're building a machine to accelerate electrons.
太神奇了 Magnificent.
你愿意帮忙吗？ Would you like to help?
建造? 哦 不 不 不 Build it? Oh, no. No, no.
但我正在研究一些理论 我想用它来检验一下 But I am working on theories I'd like to test with it.
你什么时候开始教书？ When do you start teaching?
一个小时后就开始第一个 I've got my first in an hour.
-研讨会？ -学生 -Seminar? -Pupil.
一个学生? 就一个？ One student? That's it?
我在教一些这里没有人梦想过的东西 I'm teaching something no one here has dreamt of.
但一旦人们开始听说你能用它做什么…… But once people start hearing what you can do with it...
就回不去了 There's no going back.
-哦 我一定走错…… -洛曼尼茨先生？ -Oh, I must have missed the... -Mr. Lomanitz?
-是我 -是的 就是这里 -Yeah. -Yes, this is it.
请坐 Please, take a seat.
你对量子力学了解多少？ What do you know about quantum mechanics?
只知道些皮毛 I have a grasp on the basics.
那你就错了 Then you're doing it wrong.
生命是由粒子还是波组成的？ Is life made up of particles or waves?
量子力学说两者都是 怎么可能两者都是？ Quantum mechanics says it's both. How can it be both?
-不可能 -不可能 -It can't. -It can't.
但事实如此 But it is.
这是矛盾的 但是 很有用 It's paradoxical, and yet, it works.
谢谢 Thank you.
洛曼尼茨先生 你会没事的 Mr. Lomanitz. You're gonna be okay.
斯奈德先生 Mr. Snyder.
现在 让我们谈一谈星星 Now, let's consider a star.
一颗恒星 就像一个在外太空燃烧的巨大熔炉 A star, a vast furnace burning in outer space,
火焰克服自身重力向外推进 保持平衡 fire pushing outwards against its own gravity, balanced.
但一旦炉子冷却了 But if that furnace cools,
重力开始占上风 它就会收缩 and gravity starts winning, it contracts.
-密度增加 -正确 -Density increases. -Correct.
-重力增加 -密度增加 -Increasing gravity. -Increasing density.
-然后呢？ -这是一个恶性循环 直到…… -And? -It's a vicious cycle until...
循环的尽头是什么？ What's the limit here?
我不知道 看看数学怎么说 I don't know. See where the math takes us.
我保证那是我们之前没人去过的地方 I guarantee it's somewhere no one's been before us.
我？ Me?
是的 你 你的数学比我好 Yes, you. Your math is better than mine.
在奥本海默博士的档案里 Dr. Oppenheimer's file contained details
有他在伯克利活动的详细信息 of his activities at Berkeley.
为什么他们会在战前就开始调查奥本海默博士？ Why would they have started a file on Dr. Oppenheimer before the war?
那你得问胡佛先生了 Well, you'd have to ask Mr. Hoover.
我在问你 施特劳斯将军 I'm asking you, Admiral Strauss.
嗯 我猜测 Uh, my assumption
是和他的 呃 is that it was connected to his, uh,
左翼政治活动有关 left-wing political activities.
你不应该让他们在课堂上谈论政治 奥比 You shouldn't let them bring their politics in the classroom, Oppie.
这是我写的 I wrote that.
劳伦斯 你接受物理学上的革命 Lawrence, you embraced the revolution in physics.
其他方面的革命你看不到吗？ Can't you see it everywhere else?
毕加索 斯特拉文斯基 弗洛伊德 马克思 Picasso, Stravinsky, Freud, Marx.
这里是美国 我们有自己的革命 Well, this is America, Oppie. We had our revolution.
说真的 别带它进实验室 Seriously, keep it out of the lab.
好吧 出了实验室 Well, out of the lab
我的女房东今晚有个讨论会 my landlady is having a discussion group tonight.
有兴趣吗？ Interested?
我参加过一些伯克利的政治聚会 I have sampled the Berkeley political scene.
都是些哲学研究生和共产主义者在高谈阔论团结 It's all just philosophy post-grads and communists talking integration.
你不在乎团结吗？ You don't care about integration?
我想投票赞成 不想谈论它 I want to vote for it, not talk about it.
特别是在星期五 来吧 我们吃饭 Especially on a Friday. Come on, let's eat.
我要去那里见我弟弟 I'm meeting my brother there.
这些活动怎么会引起联邦调查局的注意？ And how would these activities have come to the attention of the FBI?
如果我没记错的话, Well, if I remember correctly,
联邦调查局在可疑的共产主义集会外拍摄车牌 the FBI was taking license plates outside suspected communist gatherings,
然后他的名字出现了 and his name popped up.
-吓我一跳！ -对不起 -Jesus Christ! -Sorry.
弗兰克！ Frank!
-还记得杰姬吗？ -晚上好 -Uh, you remember Jackie? -Evening.
罗伯特! 我想让你见见薛瓦利埃 Robert! I want you to meet Chevalier.
哈康·薛瓦利埃博士 罗伯特·奥本海默博士 Dr. Haakon Chevalier, Dr. Robert Oppenheimer.
-幸会 -幸会 -Pleasure. -Pleasure.
这是我弟弟 弗兰克 This is my little brother, Frank.
-这位是…… -斯蒂尔·杰姬 -And this is... -Still Jackie.
你好 斯蒂尔·杰姬 Hello, Still Jackie.
-薛瓦利埃 你是语言学家？ -久仰大名 -Chevalier, you're in languages? -And your reputation precedes you.
你听说了什么？ What have you heard?
你在教授一种全新的物理学 That you're teaching a radical new approach to physics
我无法理解 听说你还不是党员 I have no chance of understanding, but I haven't heard you're a party member.
-我没有入党 -是 还没有入党 -Uh, I'm not. -Oh, not yet.
弗兰克和我想入党 Frank and I are thinking of joining.
-前几天我还在说…… -我支持许多事业 -Just the other day I was saying... -I support a range of causes.
西班牙内战？ Spanish Civil War?
一个被法西斯暴徒推翻的民主共和国 A democratic republic being overthrown by fascist thugs.
-谁不支持呢？ -我们的政府 -Who wouldn't? -Our government.
他们认为社会主义比法西斯主义更具威胁性 They think that socialism is a bigger threat than fascism.
不会太久的 看看纳粹是怎么对待犹太人的 Not for long. Look at what the Nazis are doing to the Jews.
我有捐钱给德国的同行 资助他们移民 I send funds to colleagues in Germany to emigrate.
我得做点什么 I have to do something.
我自己的工作太……抽象了 My own work is so... abstract.
你在忙什么呢？ What are you working on?
星星死后会发生什么？ What happens to stars when they die?
星星会死吗？ Do stars die?
嗯 这么说 它们会冷却 然后坍塌 Well, if they do, they'd cool, then collapse.
事实上 星星越大 In fact, the bigger the star,
它的灭亡就越激烈 the more violent its demise.
它们的引力非常集中 吞噬了一切 Their gravity gets so concentrated, it swallows everything.
一切 包括光线 Everything, even light.
-真的会这样吗？ -数学表明可以 -Can that really happen? -The math says it can.
如果我们能出版 也许哪天天文学家能发现一颗 If we can get published, then perhaps one day an astronomer finds one.
但现在 我只有理论 But right now, all I have is theory,
不会影响人们的生活 which can't impact people's lives.
如果你要往西班牙捐钱 Well, if you're going to send money to Spain,
通过共产党做这件事 do it through the Communist Party.
他们可以直接送钱到前线 They can get it to the front lines.
玛丽让我送来的 Mary sent me with these.
-我叫琼 -罗伯特 -I'm Jean. -Robert.
哈康·薛瓦利埃 上个月在塞伯尔的工会会议 Haakon Chevalier. That union meeting at Serber's last month.
对 对 是的 Right, right, yes.
哦 谢谢 Oh, thank you.
罗伯特说他不是共产党员 Robert here says he's not a communist.
那是他还不够了解共产党 Well, then he doesn't know enough about it.
噢 我读过《资本论》全部三卷 Oh, I've read Das Kapital, all three volumes.
这算吗？ Does that count?
这只能证明你比大多数党员更博览群书 It would make you better-read than most party members.
枯燥乏味 有一些想法 嗯…… Turgid stuff. There's some thinking, um...
“所有权就是盗窃” "Ownership is theft."
-财产 -财产？ -Property. -Property?
是财产 不是所有权 Property, not ownership.
抱歉 我读的是德文原版 I'm sorry, I read it in the original German.
这与书无关 关乎想法 It's not about the book. It's about the ideas.
而且你听起来有点轻蔑 And you sound uncommitted.
我致力于自由思考如何改善我们的世界 I'm committed to thinking freely about how to improve our world.
为什么要把自己限制在一个教条之内？ Why limit yourself to one dogma?
你是个物理学家 你会选择规则吗？ You're a physicist. Do you pick and choose rules?
或者你用纪律来引导你的能量取得进步？ Or do you use the discipline to channel your energies into progress?
我喜欢有点回旋余地 I like a little wiggle room.
你总是遵守党的路线吗？ Do you always toe the party line?
我也喜欢我的回旋余地 I like my wiggle room, too.
怎么了？ What?
等等 等等 Wait, wait, wait.
出乎意料 Unexpected.
什么？ What?
对一个物理学家来说 For a physicist.
你书架上只有弗洛伊德的书吗？ You only have a shelf full of Freud?
-事实上 我的学术背景是…… -荣格？ -Well, actually, my background's more... -Jungian?
你懂精神分析学？ You know analysis?
当我在剑桥读研究生时 遇到一点小麻烦 When I was in post-grad at Cambridge, I had a little trouble.
-有意思 -我想毒死我的导师 -I'll bite. -I tried to poison my tutor.
-你恨他吗？ -我很喜欢他 -Did you hate him? -I liked him very much.
你只是需要滚床单 You just needed to get laid.
我的精神分析师花了两年时间 It took my analysts two years,
我觉得他们从来没有像你说得那么简洁 and I don't think they ever put it that succinctly.
你让所有人都相信你比实际上更复杂 You have everyone convinced you're more complicated than you actually are.
我想我们都是单纯的灵魂 We're all simple souls, I guess.
我不是 I'm not.
这是什么？ What's this?
梵文 Sanskrit.
你能看懂这个？ You can read this?
我在学习 I'm learning.
读一读 Read this.
嗯 这一段说的是 Well, in this part,
-毗湿奴展示了他千臂的自我…… -不 -Vishnu reveals his multi-armed self... -No.
读文字 Read the words.
“现在我成了死神…… "And now I am become Death...
“世界的毁灭者” "destroyer of worlds."
就这吧 This'll do.
天亮前会好的 It'll break before dawn.
冷空气持续一整夜 Air cools overnight.
当黎明到来 就会转晴 Just before dawn, it breaks.
听我说 我要结婚了 Well, so, I'm getting married.
法兰克! 恭喜你！ 谢谢 谢谢 -Frank! congratulations! -Thank you, thank you.
-和杰姬？ -对 杰姬 -To Jackie? -Yeah, to Jackie.
-那个服务员？ -奥比 你说得对 暖和些了 -The waitress? -Oppie, you're right. It's letting up.
我去看看有没有星星 I'm gonna go see if there's any stars.
你口口声声普通人 却嫌杰姬不好 对吧？ All your talk about the common man, but Jackie's not good enough for you, hmm?
我们加入共产党 你无法掩饰你的失望 We joined the party, and you can't hide your disappointment.
为什么? 是因为我们抢在你前头吗？ Why? Is that because that's supposed to be your thing?
我没加入共产党 弗兰克 I haven't joined the party, Frank.
我觉得她也不应该说服你 And I don't think she should have convinced you to either.
-一半的教员是共产主义者 -我们不是那一半 -Half of the faculty is communist. -Not that half.
我是你哥哥 弗兰克 我希望你小心点 I'm your brother, Frank, and I want you to be cautious.
我想拧断你的脖子 And I want to wring your neck.
我不会生活在害怕犯错的恐惧中 I won't live my life afraid to make a mistake.
你开心 我就开心 You're happy... I'm happy.
所以我开心着你开心我的开心 So then I'm happy you're happy that I'm happy.
我觉得我能看到你正在研究的那些暗星 I feel like I can see one of those dark stars that you're working on.
看不到 You can't.
这就是重点 它们的引力会吞噬光线 That's the whole point. Their gravity swallows light.
仿佛太空中的一个洞 It's like a kind of hole in space.
弗兰克还好吗？ Is Frank okay?
是的 他只是有个糟糕的哥哥 Yes. He just has a shitty brother.
这里很特别 It is special here.
我小时候 When I was a kid...
我想如果我能找到一种办法 I thought if I could find a way...
把物理学和新墨西哥州结合起来 to combine physics and New Mexico,
我的生活将会很完美 my life would be perfect.
-遥不可及 -是啊 -Little remote for that. -Yes.
我们去睡觉吧 Let's get some sleep.
我们今天看到的那个平顶山 是我最喜欢的地方之一 That mesa we saw today, one of my favorite places in the world.
-明天我们爬上去 -叫什么？ -Tomorrow we'll climb it. -What's it called?
洛斯阿拉莫斯 Los Alamos.
没想到今天能见到你 I didn't expect to see you today.
我需要预约吗？ Do I have to make an appointment?
阿尔瓦雷斯？ Alvarez?
奥比! 奥比！ Oppie! Oppie!
怎么了？出什么事了 What? What is it?
他们做到了 They've done it.
他们做到了 哈恩和斯特拉斯曼 在德国 They've done it. Hahn and Strassmann in Germany.
他们分裂了铀原子核 They split the uranium nucleus.
怎么做？ How?
用中子轰击它 Bombard it with neutrons.
这是核裂变 It's a nuclear fission.
他们做到了 他们分裂了原子 They did it. They split the atom.
这不可能 That's not possible.
我试试重现它 I'm gonna try to reproduce it.
看到没 做不到 See? Can't be done.
很优雅 Very elegant.
很清晰 Quite clear.
只有一个问题 There's just one problem.
哪儿？ Where?
隔壁 Next door.
阿尔瓦雷斯做到了 Alvarez did it.
看 And look.
这些裂变脉冲 非常巨大 These fission pulses, they're massive.
过去十分钟我已经看30个了 I've seen 30 of these in the past ten minutes.
理论总是灰色的 Theory will take you only so far.
在这个过程中…… During the process...
额外的中子蒸发掉 可以用来 extra neutrons boil off, which could be used
分裂其他铀原子 to split other uranium atoms.
产生连锁反应 Chain reaction.
你和我想的一样 You're thinking what I'm thinking.
你 我 还有世界上所有看到新闻的物理学家 You, me, and every other physicist around the world who's seen the news.
我刚刚……等等 我们是不是想到一块了？ I just... what, what are we all thinking?
原子弹 阿尔瓦雷斯 A bomb, Alvarez.
原子弹 A bomb.
我告诉过你 罗伯特 别再送花了 I told you, Robert, no more fucking flowers.
我不明白你想从我这里得到什么 我不要你的任何东西！ -I don't understand what you want from me. -I don't want anything from you!
-你这么说 然后你打电话给我 -别接啊 -Well, you say that, and then you call. -Well, don't answer.
你的电话我永远都会接 I'll always answer.
好吧 Fine.
只是别再送花了 Just no more flowers.
你不来吗？ You're not coming?
你该明白人生不总是一帆风顺 罗伯特 You have to know when you're beaten, Robert.
没那么简单 哈克 It's not that simple, Haak.
薛瓦利埃 很高兴见到你 芭芭拉 很高兴见到你 Chevalier, good to see you. Barbara, good to see you.
还有杰出的奥本海默博士 And the illustrious Dr. Oppenheimer.
-我是埃尔坦登 -哦 幸会 -I'm Eltenton. -Oh, pleasure.
幸会 幸会 Please, please.
你为什么不谈谈校园劳工组织呢？ Why don't you say a word about organized labor on campuses?
对吧? 借过 借过！ Yes? Coming through, coming through!
我在壳牌公司工作 I work at Shell.
我们雇了化学家 我们雇了工程师 We've signed up chemists, we've signed up engineers.
那么为什么科学界和学术界没有呢？ So why not sciences and academia?
奥比! 奥比! 奥比! 奥比！ Oppie! Oppie! Oppie! Oppie!
教师都组织工会了 Teachers are unionized.
教授为什么还没有？ Why not professors?
你不是还有事吗？ Don't you have somewhere to be?
劳伦斯 学者也有权利 Lawrence, academics have rights too.
听着 不是那样的 我有一群人要来 Look, it's not that. I've got a group coming.
-哦 我会参加的 -这个不行 -Oh. I'll sit in. -Not this one.
理查德 布什博士 Richard, Dr. Bush.
什么风把你们吹到北方来了？ What brings you two up north?
理查德 你告诉露丝我周四会去帕萨迪纳 Richard, you tell Ruth I'll be down in Pasadena Thursday.
黑洞论文 新鲜出炉！ Paper on black holes, it's in!
哈特兰在哪？ Where's Hartland?
快找哈特兰 快找哈特兰 Get Hartland. Get Hartland.
1939年9月1日? 全世界会永远记住这一天 September 1st, 1939? The world's gonna remember this day.
噢 哈特兰 我们的论文出版了 Oh, Hartland, our paper, it's in print.
我们被人抢了头条 You've been upstaged.
在不列颠之战中 我发现自己 During the Battle of Britain, I found myself
越来越不同情…… increasingly out of sympathy with the...
共产党主张的中立政策 policy of neutrality that communists advocated.
但在希特勒入侵俄国 我们成为盟友之后 But after Hitler invaded Russia and we became allies,
你的共产主义者的同情心 又回来了吗？ these communist sympathies, do they return?
没有 No.
我需要澄清的是 我改变对俄国的看法 I need to make clear that my changing views on Russia
并不意味着与那些持不同观点的人彻底决裂 did not mean a sharp break from those who held different views.
在上一段婚姻中的一两年里 For a year or two during a previous marriage,
我的妻子凯蒂曾是共产党员 my wife Kitty had been a Communist Party member.
这是我放好东西的地方 This is where I keep the good stuff.
我以为这是托尔曼的家 Well, I thought this was the Tolmans' house.
我在加州理工的时候和他们住在一起 I live with them while I'm at Caltech.
你们两个需要什么吗？ Do you two need anything?
我们没事 露丝 We're good, Ruthie.
你是个生物学家 So, you're a biologist.
你不说我都忘了 我现在是家庭主妇 Well, somehow I have graduated to housewife.
你能给我解释一下量子力学吗？ Can you explain quantum mechanics to me?
-似乎很深奥 -是的 没错 -Seems baffling. -Yes, it is.
嗯 这个杯子 Well, this glass,
这杯酒……这个台面…… this drink... this countertop...
我们的身体 Our bodies.
所有这些 All of it.
大部分都是空的 It's mostly empty space.
成群的微小能量波聚集在一起 Groupings of tiny energy waves bound together.
通过什么？ By what?
强大的吸引力足以让我们相信 Forces of attraction strong enough to convince us
物质是固体 that matter is solid.
阻止我的身体穿过你的身体 Stop my body passing through yours.
你嫁给了哈里森博士 You're married to Dr. Harrison.
还是说你吧 Not very.
有一个人 我感觉…… There is someone that I feel...
她也有那种感觉吗？ Does she feel that way?
有时候吧 Sometimes.
还不够 Not enough.
知道吗 我要去新墨西哥州 You know, I'm going to New Mexico.
去我的牧场 和朋友们一起 To my ranch, with friends.
你应该来 You should come.
我是说 和你丈夫 I meant, with your husband.
是的 没错 Yes, you did.
因为你知道这不会有什么不同 Because you know it won't make a bit of difference.
你为什么嫁给他？ Why did you marry him?
我迷失了 而且 他对我很好 I was lost, and... he was kind.
迷失？ Lost?
我的前夫去世时 Well, my previous husband had died, and...
我才28岁 还没准备好做寡妇 at 28, I wasn't really ready to be a widow.
-你的第一任丈夫是谁？ -不值一提 -Who was your first husband? -Nobody.
我的第二任丈夫是乔·达莱特 My second husband was Joe Dallet.
他和我一样出身富贵 He was from money, like me,
但他是俄亥俄州扬斯敦的工会组织者 but he was a union organizer in Youngstown, Ohio.
我一下跌入谷底 I fell hard.
-有多谷底？ -足以让你在接下来的四年里 -How hard? -Hard enough to spend the next four years
靠豆子和煎饼为生 living off beans and pancakes,
在工厂门口发放《工人日报》 handing out the Daily Worker at factory gates.
到了1936年 我告诉乔我再也受不了了 By '36, I just told Joe I couldn't take it anymore.
退出共产党 Quit the party.
一年后 我想让他回来 A year later, I wanted him back.
是他 不是那个社会活动家 然后 Him, not the Daily Worker. And...
他说 好的 我们在去西班牙的路上见 he said: "Swell, I'll meet you on my way to Spain."
去为共和派而战？ Went to fight for the Loyalists?
于是他参加了国际旅 我等着 And then he went to the brigades and I waited.
后来…… And...
乔第一次从战壕里探出头就被杀了 Joe got himself killed first time he popped his head out of the trench.
意识形态害死了乔 毫无意义 Ideology got Joe killed, for nothing.
西班牙共和国不是一无是处 The Spanish Republic isn't nothing.
我丈夫为了阻止一颗法西斯子弹牺牲了我们两个人的未来 My husband offered both our futures to stop one fascist bullet
把自己埋在泥滩里 from embedding itself in a mud bank.
这就是虚无的定义 That's the definition of nothing.
-假乎有点简化了 -实话实说 -Seems a little reductive. -Pragmatic.
现在我在这里 Now here I am.
不管这是哪里 Wherever the hell this is.
我不想让你从别人那里听到这件事 I didn't want you to hear it from anyone else.
至少你没再给我送花 At least you didn't bring me flowers.
我们都知道我不是你想要的 琼 We both know I'm not what you want, Jean.
是啊 反正不可能了 Yeah, but it's a door closing.
不 No.
对我来说 不 Not as far as I'm concerned, no.
你把她搞大了 动作真快 You knocked her up. Fast work.
不能伤害一个无辜者 Can't keep a good man down.
我是说她 I meant her.
她知道自己想要什么 She knew what she wanted.
她丈夫呢？ What about the husband?
我们谈过了 We talked.
他们会离婚 They're getting a divorce,
这样我们就能赶在她大肚前结婚 so we can get married before she starts showing.
多文明啊 How civilized.
你是个傻瓜 You idiot.
这是你的地盘 This is your community.
你觉得这些规矩不适用于天才吗？ You think the rules don't apply to the golden boy?
才华能弥补很多缺点 Brilliance makes up for a lot.
不要疏远世界上唯一理解你的事业的人 Don't alienate the only people in the world that understand what you do.
总有一天你会需要它们的 One day you might need them.
F-A-E-C-T！ F-A-E-C-T!
建筑师、工程师、化学家和技术人员联合会 Federation of Architects, Engineers, Chemists and Technicians.
辐射实验室工会
洛曼尼茨 你一个月的薪水是多少？ Lomanitz, what do you get paid a month?
这不是重点 劳伦斯 That's not the point, Lawrence.
你们和农场工人和码头工人有什么共同点？ What do any of you have in common with farm laborers and dock workers?
很多 Plenty.
所有人都出去 马上！ Everybody out. Now!
你留下 Not you.
你在干什么？ What are you doing?
这是工会 It's a trade union.
-到处都是共产党员 -那又怎样? 我还没加入呢 -Filled with communists. -So? I haven't joined the party.
因为这破事 他们不让我带你参与这个项目 They won't let me bring you onto the project because of this shit.
他们甚至不让我告诉你项目是什么 They won't even let me tell you what the project is.
我知道是什么项目 Oh, I know what the project is.
真的吗？ Oh, really?
我们都听说过爱因斯坦和西拉德写给罗斯福的信 We've all heard about Einstein and Szilard's letter to Roosevelt
警告他德国人可能会制造原子弹 warning him the Germans could make a bomb,
我知道纳粹拥有原子弹意味着什么 and I know what it means for the Nazis to have a bomb.
我不知道吗？ And I don't?
他们不是把你的人赶进集中营 It's not your people they're herding into camps.
是我的 It's mine.
你以为我会告诉他们你的政治立场吗？ You think that I tell them about your politics?
下次你开完会回家 The next time you're coming home from a meeting,
为什么不看看后视镜 why don't you take a look in the rearview mirror,
听听电话线上的声音 别他妈这么天真了？ listen to the sounds on your phone line, and stop being so goddamn naive?
他们为什么要在乎我做什么？ Why would they care what I do?
因为你不只是自以为重要 你实际上很重要 Because you're not just self-important, you're actually important.
好吧 Okay.
我明白了 I get it.
如果你能再多一点…… If you could just be a little more...
务实 我会和洛曼尼茨谈谈 和其他人谈谈 Pragmatic. I'll talk to Lomanitz, I'll talk to the others.
你不用担心 已经结束了 You don't have to worry, it's done.
劳伦斯 Lawrence.
那么欢迎参战 Then welcome to the war.
我填写了我的第一份安全问卷 并被告知 I filled out my first security questionnaire and was informed
我和左翼组织的关系 that my involvement with left-wing groups would
不再成为我在原子弹项目上的工作障碍 not prove a bar to my working on the atomic program.
为什么他和共产党的关系 Why were his communist associations
不被视为战争期间的安全隐患？ not seen as a security risk during the war?
参议员 我无法回答 Senator, I can't possibly answer
在我认识他之前就已经获得安全许可了 for security clearance granted years before I ever met the man.
好吧 那之后呢？ Fine. What about after?
战后 奥本海默博士 After the war, Dr. Oppenheimer was
世界上最受尊敬的科学之声 the most respected scientific voice in the world.
这就是为什么我让他管理研究所 That's why I asked him to run the Institute.
这就是他成为原子能委员会顾问的原因 That's why he advised the Atomic Energy Commission.
就这么简单 Simple as that.
他们指控我什么？ What are they accusing me of?
我想他们只是想知道1947年到1954年间发生了什么 I think they just want to know what happened between 1947 and 1954
改变你对奥本海默安全许可的看法 to change your mind on Oppenheimer's security clearance.
我没有 I didn't.
我是原子能委员会主席 但不是我 I was chair of the AEC, but it wasn't me
指控罗伯特 谁干的？ that brought the charges against Robert. -Who did?
国会联合委员会的一位前工作人员 Some former staff member of the Joint Congressional Committee.
他是个狂热的反共产主义者 名叫博登 He was a rabid anti-communist named Borden.
他写信给联邦调查局 要求他们采取行动 He wrote to the FBI demanding they take action.
联邦调查局? 为什么不直接找原子能委员会？ The FBI? Why not go to the AEC direct?
借刀杀人 方为上策 You'd get caught holding the knife yourself.
博登和奥本海默有什么过节？ What did Borden have against Oppenheimer?
这是麦卡锡时代 This is the McCarthy era.
人们为了一点点染红而被炒鱿鱼 然后 People hounded out of jobs for any hint of red, and...
我阅读了奥本海默的安全档案 他的弟弟 Reading Oppenheimer's security file, his communist brother,
弟媳 情妇 最好的朋友 妻子 都是共产党 sister-in-law, fiancée, best friend, wife.
那是在我们讨论薛瓦利埃事件之前 That's before we even get to the Chevalier incident.
但博登是怎么拿到奥本海默的安全档案的？ But how would Borden have access to Oppenheimer's security file?
别人给他的 Because somebody gave it to him.
有人想教罗伯特闭嘴 Somebody who wanted Robert silenced.
-谁？ -天知道？ Who? -Who knows?
罗伯特没有小心翼翼地避免惹恼华盛顿的权力掮客 Robert didn't take care not to upset the power brokers in Washington.
他成了原子弹方面的绝对权威 His opinions on the atom became definitive,
他对我们这些凡人并不总是有耐心 and he wasn't always patient with us mere mortals.
我受到了很多粗暴的对待 I came in for plenty of harsh treatment.
原子能委员会进行了投票 There was an AEC vote
关于向挪威出口同位素 on the export of isotopes to Norway,
他们把罗伯特请进来就是为了让我看起来像个傻瓜 and they drafted in Robert to make me look like a fool.
但是奥本海默博士 我们已经收到了施特劳斯将军的来信 But Dr. Oppenheimer, we've already heard from Admiral Strauss
这些同位素可能对我们的敌人有用 that these isotopes could be useful to our enemies
在原子武器制造中 in the production of atomic weapons.
议员先生 你可以用铲子来制造核武器 Congressman, you could use a shovel in making atomic weapons.
真的 你可以 In fact, you do.
你可以用一瓶啤酒来制造核武器 You could use a bottle of beer in making atomic weapons.
真的 你可以 我觉得同位素 In fact, you do. I'd say isotopes are
还不如电子元件有用 less useful than electronic components,
但比三明治要强 but more useful than a sandwich.
天才不能保证智慧 Genius is no guarantee of wisdom.
这个看到这么多的人怎么会如此盲目？ How could this man who saw so much be so blind?
凯蒂？ Kitty?
凯蒂 Kitty.
这个项目 The project.
我加入了 I'm in.
-我加入了！ -让我们庆祝 -I'm in! -Let's celebrate.
你不该去照顾他吗？ Shouldn't you go to him?
我他妈的一整天都在照顾他 I have been going to him all fucking day.
我不知道该怎么说 I don't know how to say this.
我不好意思开口 I'm a shamed to ask.
什么都行 Anything.
-照顾彼得 -可以 -Take Peter. -Sure.
不 只是暂时的 哈克 No, for a while, Haak.
一段时间 A while.
-凯蒂知道你在这里吗？ -是的 她当然知道 -Does Kitty know you're here? -Yes, of course she knows.
她当然知道 Of course she knows.
我们是可怕的人 自私的可怕的人 We're awful people. Selfish, awful people.
当我没说 Forget I asked.
自私 可怕的人 Selfish, awful people,
他们不知道自己很自私 很可怕 they don't know they're selfish and awful.
坐 坐 坐 Sit, sit, sit.
罗伯特 你能看到我们生活之外的世界 Robert, you see beyond the world we live in.
这是要付出代价的 There is a price to be paid for that.
我们当然会帮助你 Of course we'll help you.
一切都变了 罗伯特 Everything's changing, Robert.
有了孩子总是会改变 Having a child was always going to change...
不 世界正在急速转向 No, the world is pivoting in some new direction.
变革 Reforming.
属于你的时刻到来了 This is your moment.
-我们正在组织一个研究小组 -我们什么都做不了 -We're putting together a group to study... -We shouldn't be doing anything.
你可以 You should.
劳伦斯做不了 Lawrence won't get this done.
托尔曼或者拉比也不行 但你可以 Or Tolman or Rabi. You will.
这些穿军装的是什么人？ Who are the uniforms?
我还以为你知道 I thought you might know.
奥本海默博士 Dr. Oppenheimer.
我是格罗夫斯上校 这位是尼科尔斯中校 I'm Colonel Groves. This is Lieutenant Colonel Nichols.
拿去干洗 Have that dry cleaned.
如果你就是这样对待一位中校的话 Well, if that's how you treat a lieutenant colonel,
我不敢想象你会怎么对待一个……普通的物理学家 I'd hate to see how you treat a... humble physicist.
我遇到的物理学家都不普通 If I ever meet one, I'll let you know.
-啊哈 -全世界都在打仗 -Ouch. -Theaters of combat all over the world,
可我不得不呆在华盛顿 but I have to stay in Washington.
-为什么？ -我建造了五角大楼 -Why? -I built the Pentagon.
上头非常喜欢 The brass likes it so much,
所以让我接管了曼哈顿工程区 they made me take over the Manhattan Engineer District.
-那是什么？ -别耍聪明 -Which is? -Don't be a smartass.
你很清楚那是什么 You know damn well what it is.
你和全国一半的物理系都知道 You and half of every physics department across the country.
那就是首要问题 That's problem number one.
我以为首要问题是确保足够的铀矿石 I thought problem number one would be securing enough uranium ore.
-1200吨 在我接管的第一天购买的 -加工？ -1,200 tons, bought the day I took charge. -Processing?
我刚刚在田纳西州橡树岭破土动工 Just broke ground at Oak Ridge, Tennessee.
现在我正在寻找一个项目主管 Now I'm looking for a project director.
然后你想到了我？ And my name came up?
不是的 Nope.
尽管你把量子物理带到了美国 这引起了我对你的好奇心 Even though you brought quantum physics to America, which made me curious.
你发现了什么？ What have you found out?
你是个半吊子 花花公子 被怀疑是共产主义者 You're a dilettante, a womanizer, a suspected communist.
-我是新政民主党人 -我说的是“被怀疑” -I'm a New Deal Democrat. -I said "suspected".
不稳定 戏剧化 自我中心 神经质 Unstable, theatrical, egotistical, neurotic.
没有好的吗？ Nothing good, no?
连“他很聪明，但……”都没有 Not even "he's brilliant, but..."
在你的圈子里 聪明是必须的 所以 没有 Well, brilliance is taken for granted in your circle, so no.
只有一个人说了好话——理查德·托尔曼 No, the only person who had anything good to say was Richard Tolman.
他认为你很正直 Tolman thinks you have integrity,
但托尔曼给我的感觉是他更了解科学，而不是人 but he also strikes me as a guy who knows more about science than people.
可你还是来了 Yet here you are.
你不太相信别人 You don't take much on trust.
我不相信任何人 I don't take anything on trust.
为什么你没有拿诺贝尔奖？ Why don't you have a Nobel Prize?
-为什么你不是将军？ -也许完成项目后 会晋升我为将军 -Why aren't you a general? -They're making me one for this.
也许我会有同样的好运 Perhaps I'll have the same luck.
因为制造炸弹获得诺贝尔奖？ The Nobel Prize for making a bomb?
阿尔弗雷德·诺贝尔发明了炸药 Alfred Nobel invented dynamite.
那你打算怎么造？ So how would you proceed?
你说的是把理论变成实用的武器系统 You're talking about turning theory into a practical weapon system
赶在纳粹前头 -他们领先我们12个月 faster than the Nazis. -Who have a 12-month head start.
-18 -你怎么知道的？ -18. -How could you possibly know that?
我们的快中子研究花了六个月 Our fast neutron research took six months.
毫无疑问 他们任命的负责人能不费吹灰之力搞定 The man they've undoubtedly put in charge will have made that leap instantly.
-你以为他们让谁负责？ -维尔纳·海森堡 -Who do you think they put in charge? -Werner Heisenberg.
他对原子结构有着我所见过的最直观的理解 He has the most intuitive understanding of atomic structure I have ever seen.
-你了解他的工作？ -我了解他 -You know his work? -I know him,
就像我了解沃尔特·波特 冯·魏茨萨克 迪布纳一样 just like I know Walther Bothe, von Weizsäcker, Diebner.
在直道比赛中 德国人赢了 In a straight race, the Germans win.
-我们只有一个希望 -是什么？ -We've got one hope. -Which is?
反犹主义 Antisemitism.
什么？ What?
希特勒称量子物理学为“犹太科学” Hitler called quantum physics "Jewish science".
当着爱因斯坦的面说的 Said it right to Einstein's face.
我们唯一的希望是希特勒被仇恨蒙蔽了双眼 Our one hope is that Hitler is so blinded by hate
没有为海森堡提供适当的资源 that he's denied Heisenberg proper resources,
因为这将需要大量的资源 because it'll take vast resources.
我们国家最优秀的科学家 如果能团结合作——现在他们还分散在各处 Our nation's best scientists working together. Right now, they're scattered.
我们称之为分隔化管理 Which gives us compartmentalization.
所有人必须共享信息才能有效地做出贡献 All minds have to see the whole task to contribute efficiently.
过度的安全性可能会让我们输掉这场竞赛 Poor security may cost us the race.
低效率也会 Inefficiency will.
不管怎样 德国人比我们知道得更多 The Germans know more than us anyway.
俄国人不知道 The Russians don't.
提醒一下 我们正在与谁交战？ Remind me, who are we at war with?
有你这样过去的人不该被人看到轻视 Somebody with your past doesn't want to be seen downplaying
来自我们共产主义盟友的安全的重要性 the importance of security from our communist allies.
你说得对 但不是这个问题 Point taken, but... no.
你不可以对我说“不” You don't get to say no to me.
我的工作就是在你错误时对你说“不” It's my job to say no to you when you're wrong.
所以你现在得到这份工作了？ So you have the job now?
噢 我还在考虑 Uh, I'm considering it.
我开始明白你是怎么获得你的声誉的了 I'm starting to see where you got your reputation.
我最喜欢的回答是 My favorite response:
“奥本海默甚至不能经营一个汉堡摊” "Oppenheimer couldn't run a hamburger stand."
我做不到 I couldn't.
但我可以负责曼哈顿计划 But I can run the Manhattan Project.
有个办法可以平衡这些东西 There's a way to balance these things.
把放射实验室留在伯克利 由劳伦斯领导 Keep the Rad Lab here at Berkeley, under Lawrence.
芝加哥的气象实验室 由西拉德领导 Met Lab in Chicago, under Szilard.
大型炼油厂 你说哪里来着 田纳西？ Large-scale refining, where did you say, Tennessee?
-还有汉福德 -还有汉福德 -And Hanford. -And Hanford.
美国所有的工业力量和科技创新 All America's industrial-minded scientific innovation,
通过铁路连接 集中于一个目标 connected by rail, focused on one goal,
时空中的一点 one point in space and time.
它们聚集在这里 一个秘密实验室 And it comes together here, a secret laboratory.
位于荒野中心 安全 自给自足 In the middle of nowhere, secure, self-sufficient.
设备 房屋 工程 Equipment, housing, the works.
完成之前任何人都不准离开 Keep everyone there until it's done.
-我们需要学校 商店 教堂 -为什么？ -We'll need a school, stores, a church. -Why?
如果不让他们带家属 我们永远请不到最好的科学家 If we don't let scientists bring their families, we'll never get the best.
你想要安全 就建一个小镇 越快越好 You want security, build a town. Build it fast.
在哪儿？ Where?
欢迎来到洛斯阿拉莫斯 Welcome to Los Alamos.
我们要征用一所男子学校 There's a boys' school we'll have to commandeer,
当地的印第安人来这里举行葬礼 and the local Indians come up here for burial rites,
但除此之外 方圆40英里 but apart from that, nothing.
一无所有 40 miles. Any direction.
我们得找个好地方 We'll have to find the perfect spot.
-为什么？ -为了成功 -For? -Success.
给他建个小镇 要快 Build him a town. Fast.
我们去招募一些科学家 Let's go recruit some scientists.
我为什么要离开我的家人？ Why would I leave my family?
我说过了 你可以带家属 I told you, you can bring your family.
-我不是士兵 奥比 -士兵？ -I'm not a soldier, Oppie. -A soldier?
他是个将军 我想要多少士兵都行 He's a general. I've got all the soldier I need.
我怎么跟他们说？ What can I tell them?
海森堡 迪布纳 波尔 这些人有什么共同点？ Heisenberg, Diebner, Bothe and Bohr. What do these men have in common?
-嗯 原子理论最伟大的头脑 -是的 然后呢？ -Uh, the greatest minds on atomic theory. -Yes, and?
随你怎么说 As much as you like.
有事的话我会用鞋子踹你裤裆 Until you feel my boot on your balls.
你了解同位素 你比世界上任何人都了解炸药 You know isotopes, and you know explosives better than anyone in the world.
但你不能告诉我们你在做什么 But you can't tell us what you're doing.
-我不知道 -他们在纳粹手上 -I don't know. -The Nazis have them.
尼尔斯·玻尔在哥本哈根 Niels Bohr's in Copenhagen.
在纳粹占领下 普林斯顿停止印刷报纸了吗？ Under Nazi occupation. Did they stop printing newspapers in Princeton?
我们为什么要去一个鸟不拉屎的地方 谁知道要去多久？ Why would we go to the middle of nowhere for who knows how long?
一两年 或者三年吧 For a year or two. Or three.
将军 能让我们单独谈谈吗？ General, could you... give us a moment?
这是为了释放巨大的力量 It's about unleashing a strong force.
抢在纳粹之前 Before the Nazis do.
我的天 Oh my god.
-尼尔斯不会为纳粹工作的 -不 从来没有 -Niels won't work for the Nazis. -No, never.
但只要他们抓住了他 我们就没辙 But while they have him, we don't.
所以我才需要你 That's why I need you.
你为什么觉得我会这么做？ Why would you think I'd do that?
为什么? 为什么？ Why? Why?
因为这是他妈世界历史上 How about because this is the most important fucking thing
最重大的事件 还不够吗？ to ever happen in the history of the world?
想想吧？ How about that?
妈的 Fuck.
他们不会让我参与这个项目的 They're not gonna let me onto this project.
还没通过安全检查 And failing a security check
即使战争结束后 也不利于职业发展 is not going to be good for a career even after the war.
所以你也是同路人 那又怎样？ So you're a fellow traveler. So what?
全国处于紧急状态 This is a national emergency.
我有些不可告人的秘密 他们让我负责 I've got some skeletons. They put me in charge.
他们需要我们 They need us.
卸磨杀驴而已 Until they don't.
有没有可能把波尔弄出丹麦？ Is there any chance of getting Bohr out of Denmark?
不可能 我问过英国人了 Yeah, no dice. I checked with the British.
除非我们的大军能打回欧洲大陆 否则门都没有 Until we get Allied boots back onto the continent, there's just no way.
他有那么重要吗？ Is he that important?
你认识多少人证明爱因斯坦是错的？ How many people do you know who proved Einstein wrong?
你知道吗 坐飞机真的会更快 You know, it really would be quicker to take a plane.
飞机太危险了 A plane's too risky.
我们是国之重器 The country needs us.
怎么了 伙计们？ What happened, guys?
他们说这栋建筑太小了 无法容纳回旋加速器 They say the building's too small for this cyclotron.
给他们找建筑师来 Get them together with the architects.
这地方什么时候开张？ When's this place supposed to open?
两个月 Two months.
罗伯特 你很擅长激励人心 但…… Robert, you're the great improviser, but this...
做事不能光凭热情 you can't do in your head.
我有四个师 Four divisions.
实验 理论 冶金 Experimental, theoretical, metallurgical.
谁领导理论？ Who's running theoretical?
我 I am.
这就是我所担心的 你摊子铺得太大 That's what I was afraid of. You're spread too thin.
那就你来负责理论 So you take theoretical.
我不会参与的 罗伯特 I'm not coming here, Robert.
为什么不呢？ Why not?
你扔下一颗炸弹 同时落在正义和不正义的人身上 You drop a bomb and it falls on the just and the unjust.
我不希望三个世纪物理学的巅峰成就 I don't wish the culmination of three centuries of physics
成为大规模杀伤性武器 to be a weapon of mass destruction.
伊兹…… Izzy...
我不知道我们是否有资格拥有这么强大的武器 I don't know if we can be trusted with such a weapon.
但我知道纳粹不行 But I know the Nazis can't.
我们别无选择 We have no choice.
所以…… Then...
你要做的第二件事 The second thing you have to do
是任命汉斯·贝特管理理论部门 is appoint Hans Bethe to run the theoretical division.
等等 第一件事是什么？ Wait, what was the first?
脱下那身可笑的军服 Take off that ridiculous uniform.
你是个科学家 You're a scientist.
格罗夫斯坚持要我们参军 Groves is insisting we join.
让格罗夫滚犊子吧 Tell Groves to go shit in his hat.
他们需要真正的我们 They need us for who we are.
做你自己吧 So be yourself.
只会更好 Only better.
这是唯一的钥匙 This is the only key.
泰勒已经到了 And Teller's already here.
-要我带他进来吗？ -不 等其他人到齐 -Shall I just show him in? -No, let's wait for the others.
我们开始吧 Let's get started.
-你好 爱德华 -好 -Hello, Edward. -Yes.
先生们 那么 我们就在这里工作 Gentlemen, so, we will work here
直到洛斯阿拉莫斯的T区完工 until the T Section at Los Alamos is finished.
-爱德华 我能…… -这个更重要 -Edward, can I...? -This is more important.
当我计算连锁反应时 我发现了一个相当棘手的可能性 When I calculated the chain reaction, I found a rather troubling possibility.
不 这不可能 No, this can't be right.
说说你是怎么计算的 Show me how you did your calculations.
行 Yes.
-指数级 -不 不 不 不 -Exponential. -No, no, no. No.
不可思议 This is fantasy.
泰勒的计算不可能正确 Teller's calculations can't be right.
你们先各干各的 我去趟普林斯顿 Do them yourself while I go to Princeton.
-去干吗？ -找爱因斯坦谈谈 -What for? -To talk to Einstein.
可 这两者之间没什么共同点 Well, there's not much common ground between the two.
这就是为什么我应该听听他的意见 That's why I should get his view.
-阿尔伯特 -嗯？ -Albert. -Hmm?
是你 奥本海默博士 Ah, Dr. Oppenheimer.
你见过哥德尔博士吗？ Have you met Dr. Gödel?
我们大部分时间都在这里散步 We walk here most days.
森林有着最激动人心的结构 Trees have the most inspiring structures.
阿尔伯特 我能和你说句话吗？ Albert, might I have a word?
当然 对不起 科特 Of course. Excuse me, Kurt.
有时候科特拒绝吃东西 Some days Kurt refuses to eat.
即使在普林斯顿 他也坚信纳粹可以在他的食物里下毒 Even in Princeton, he's convinced that the Nazis can poison his food.
这是谁做的？ Whose, whose work is this?
泰勒 Teller's.
你认为这意味着什么？ What do you take it to mean?
中子撞击原子核 Neutrons smash into the nucleus,
释放中子撞击其他原子核 releasing neutrons to smash into other nuclei.
临界质量 Criticality.
超过临界点 巨大的爆炸力 Point of no return. Massive explosive force.
可一旦 连锁反应没有停止 But this time, the chain reaction doesn't stop.
整个大气层都会被点燃 It would ignite the atmosphere.
当我们引爆原子装置 我们可能会引发连锁反应 When we detonate an atomic device, we might start a chain reaction that...
毁灭世界 destroys the world.
所以来找我 嗯？ So here we are, hmm?
你迷失在量子的概率世界里了 Lost in your quantum world of probabilities,
亟需确定性 and needing certainty.
你能亲自计算一下吗？ Can you run the calculations yourself?
我们唯一的共同点 About the only thing you and I have in common
是对数学的蔑视 is a disdain for mathematics.
谁在伯克利负责这个？ Who's working on this in Berkeley?
汉斯·贝特 Hans Bethe.
他会查出真相的 Well, he'll get to the truth.
如果真相是灾难性的呢？ And if the truth is catastrophic?
那么你就停下来 和纳粹共享你的发现 Then you stop, and you share your findings with the Nazis.
这样双方都不会毁灭世界了 So neither side destroys the world.
罗伯特 Robert.
这是你的 不是我的 This is yours, not mine.
泰勒错了 Teller's wrong.
他错了 He's wrong.
当你了解泰勒的关键假设后 真相就浮出水面 When you know Teller's critical assumptions, the real picture emerges.
最底限呢？ Bottom line?
核反应失控的可能性几乎为零 The chances of an out-of-control nuclear reaction are near-zero.
几乎为零 Near-zero.
奥比 这是好消息 Oppie, this is good news.
嗯哼 Mm-hmm.
你能再算一遍吗？ Can you run them again?
噢 算多少遍答案都一样 Oh, you'll get the same answer.
这是你在真正引爆之前 Until they actually detonate one of these things,
所能得到的最佳保证 the best assurance you're going to get is this.
几乎为零 Near-zero.
理论总是灰色的 Theory will take you only so far.
你好！ 嗨 -Hello! -Hi.
我们好想他 We missed him.
你想领养吗？ You want to adopt?
她开玩笑的 She's kidding.
我们想在走之前见见你 We wanted to see you before we left.
为了不能说的秘密 For parts unknown.
你知道前几天我碰见谁了？ You know who I ran into the other day?
埃尔坦登 Eltenton.
那个壳牌公司化学家? 工会的？ That chemist from Shell? The union guy?
是啊 FAECT那家伙 Yeah, the FAECT guy.
他在抱怨我们投入战争的方法 He was moaning about how we're handling the war.
怎么了？ How so?
与我们的盟友缺乏合作 Lack of cooperation with our allies.
显然 我们的政府没有和俄国分享任何研究成果 Apparently, our government's not sharing any research with the Russians.
他说 大多数科学家认为这项政策是愚蠢的 He said most scientists think the policy is stupid.
-哦 是吗？ -是的 -Oh, yeah? -Yeah.
他提到如果有人想传递什么信息 He mentioned that if anyone had anything they wanted to pass on,
他可以帮忙 通过官方渠道 going around official channels, that he could help.
那是叛国罪 That would be treason.
是的 当然 Yes, of course.
我只是觉得你应该知道 I just thought you should know.
小家伙睡着了 The brat is down.
马提尼酒呢？ Where are the martinis?
马上就来 Coming right up.
谈话到此结束 The conversation ended there.
我们是多年的好友 我绝不相信 Nothing in our long-standing friendship would have led me to believe
薛瓦利埃实际上是在试探口风 that Chevalier was actually seeking information,
我敢肯定他对我所从事的工作一无所知 and I am certain that he had no idea of the work in which I was engaged.
我早就清楚地意识到 我应该立即报告此事 It has long been clear to me that I should have reported this incident at once.
奥本海默事件凸显了科学家与安全机构之间 The Oppenheimer situation highlights the tension
剑拔弩张的关系 between scientists and the security apparatus.
希望能了解提名人在任职期原子能委员会期间 In hopes of learning how the nominee handled such issues
是如何处理这些问题的 during his time at the AEC,
我们将有一个科学家在委员会前作证 we'll have a scientist appearing before the committee.
他们请的是谁？ Who are they bringing in?
他们没说 They hadn't said.
主席先生 有个问题 我被提名为商务部长 Mr. Chairman, if I may, I'm nominated for Commerce Secretary.
为何要征求科学家的意见？ Why seek the opinion of scientists?
这是内阁职位 将军 This is a cabinet post, Admiral.
我们广泛征求各种意见 We seek a wide range of opinion.
我想知道作证的科学家是谁 I'd like to know the name of the scientist testifying.
我希望有机会交叉询问 I'd like the chance to cross-examine.
这里不是法庭 This is not a court.
例行公事 嗯？ Formality, huh?
自1925年以来 没有一位总统内阁提名人未经国会确认 No presidential cabinet nominee has failed to be confirmed since 1925.
这就是政治的游戏规则 This is just how the game is played.
十拿九稳 刘易斯 所以放轻松 It's in the bag, Lewis. So play nice.
他们带来了一个科学家 那又怎样？ They bring in a scientist, so what?
你不像我这么了解科学家 律师先生 You don't know scientists like I do, Counselor.
他们憎恨任何质疑他们判断力的人 They resent anyone who questions their judgment,
特别是当你不是他们中一员的时候 especially if you're not one of them.
我曾担任原子能委员会主席 I was chair of the AEC.
罗伯特的事很容易怪罪到我头上 I'm easy to blame for what happened to Robert.
我们不能让参议院认为 We can't have the Senate thinking
科学界不支持你 先生 the scientific community doesn't support you, sir.
或者我们应该转向？ Or should we pivot?
-什么？ -豁出去 -To what? -And embrace it.
“我打败了奥本海默 美国赢了” "I fought Oppenheimer, and the US won."
我觉得我们没必要这么做 I don't think we need to go there.
难道就没有人知道到底发生了什么吗？ Isn't there someone we can call who knows what really happened?
-泰勒 -他会留下深刻印象的 -Teller. -He'll make an impression.
你能知道他们找的那个科学家的名字吗？ Can you get the name of the scientist they've called?
-试试看 -查查他是否住在芝加哥 -Probably. -Find out if he was based in Chicago
或者战争时期在洛斯阿拉莫斯 or Los Alamos during the war.
这很重要吗？ Why does that matter?
如果他常住芝加哥 那就是西拉德和费米手下的人 Well, if he was based in Chicago, they worked under Szilard and Fermi,
不是洛斯阿拉莫斯那帮奥比的狂热崇拜者 not the cult to Bobby in Los Alamos.
罗伯特建造了那个鬼地方 他是创始人 市长 警长 Robert built that damn place. He was founder, mayor, sheriff.
统统集于一身 All rolled into one.
万事俱备 只欠酒吧 Now all it needs is a saloon.
没有厨房 There's no kitchen.
真的吗? 我们会解决的 Really? We'll fix that.
铁丝网? 枪？ Barbed wire? Guns?
-奥比…… -我们在打仗 汉斯 -Oppie... -We're at war, Hans.
哈利法克斯 Halifax.
1917年 1917.
一艘载有军火的货船在港口发生爆炸 A cargo ship carrying munitions explodes in the harbor.
一次巨大而突然的化学反应 A vast and sudden chemical reaction.
这是史上最大的人为爆炸 The biggest man-made explosion in history.
现在 让我们计算一下它的破坏力有多大 Now, let's calculate how much more destructive it would have been
如果这是核反应而不是化学反应 if it were a nuclear and not a chemical reaction,
以吨TNT来表示能量 expressing power in terms of tons of TNT.
但会是上千级别 But it will be thousands.
那就 千吨 Well, then, kilotons.
使用U-235 Using U-235,
-原子弹需要一…… -呃…… the bomb will need a... -Uh...
抱歉 装置需要一个33磅重的球体 Sorry. Gadget will need a 33-pound sphere
大概这么大 about this size,
或者使用钚 一个十磅重的球体 or using plutonium, a ten-pound sphere.
这是橡树岭上个月提炼的铀的总量 Here's the amount of uranium Oak Ridge refined all of last month.
而汉福德工厂生产了这么多钚 And the Hanford plant made this much plutonium.
现在 如果我们能浓缩这些数量 我们需要一种方法来引爆它们 Now, if we can enrich these amounts, we need a way to detonate them.
我们让你无聊了吗 爱德华？ Are we boring you, Edward?
有一点 是的 A little bit, yes.
我能问问为什么吗？ May I ask why?
我们走进这个房间时 都知道制造裂变炸弹是可能的 We all entered this room knowing a fission bomb was possible.
不如我们换个新点子吧？ How about we leave it with something new?
比如？ Such as?
我们用氢代替铀或钚 Instead of uranium or plutonium, we use hydrogen.
重氢 氘 Heavy hydrogen. Deuterium.
你看 我们把原子压缩在一起 You see, we compact the atoms together
在巨大的压力之下引发聚变反应 under great pressure to induce a fusion reaction.
然后我们得到的不是千吨级 而是百万吨级当量 Then we'll get not kilotons, but megatons.
没事 等等 等等 Okay, hang on, hang on.
那么如何产生足够的能量来聚合氢原子呢？ So how do you generate enough force to fuse hydrogen atoms?
一颗小型原子弹 A small fission bomb.
这不一样吗！ There we are!
好吧 既然我们无论如何都需要一个 Well, since we're going to need one anyway,
我们能回到正题上来吗？ can we get back to the business at hand?
同位素问题不是最重要的 The isotopes issue wasn't your most important
与奥本海默博士的政策分歧 policy disagreement with Dr. Oppenheimer.
是氢弹 对吧？ It was the hydrogen bomb, wasn't it?
作为同事 我们承认在很多事情上存在分歧 As colleagues, we agreed to disagree on a great many things, uh...
其中之一就是需要一个氢弹项目 没错 And one of them was the need for an H-bomb program, yes.
谢谢大家临时来参加会议 Thanks for convening on short notice.
非常难得 I can't believe it.
人到齐了 跟我说说 我们现在知道些什么？ But here we are. Catch me up. What do we know?
我们的一架B-29轰炸机在北太平洋上空探测到辐射 One of our B-29s over the North Pacific has detected radiation.
-我们有过滤纸吗？ -毫无疑问这意味着什么 -Do we have the filter papers? -There's no doubt what this is.
-白宫表示有疑问 -恐怕是一厢情愿 -White House says there's a doubt. -Wishful thinking, I'm afraid.
那些是远程探测滤纸吗？ Are those the long-range detection filter papers?
这是一次原子弹试验 It's an atomic test.
俄国人有原子弹了 The Russians have a bomb.
咱们不是应该领先他们几年吗 那这…… We're supposed to be years ahead of them, but this...
你们在洛斯拉莫斯忙什么? 安保不是很严密吗？ What were you guys doing in Los Alamos? Wasn't security tight?
-当然了 你又不在现场 -原谅我 博士 -Of course it was. You weren't there. -Forgive me, Doctor.
但我当时在那里 But I was there.
我们现在可以考虑爆炸的实际机制 We can now consider the actual mechanics of detonation.
-有什么想法吗？ -我管这叫枪式 -Any ideas? -I call this shooting.
我们把一大块可裂变材料发射到一个更大的球体中 We fire a chunk of fissionable material into a larger sphere
以足够的力量达到临界质量 with enough force to achieve criticality.
-你们觉得呢？谁说一说？ -我一直在考虑内爆式 -What do we think? Anyone? -I've been thinking about implosion.
球体周围的爆炸物向内爆炸 粉碎材料 Explosives around the sphere blast inwards, crushing the material.
-我想研究一下这个想法 -我去跟制造商谈谈 -I'd like to investigate that idea. -I'll talk to ordnance.
让你把东西炸飞 Get you blowing things up.
-进展顺利？ -我也很高兴见到你 -Progress? -Nice to see you too.
来见见英国代表团 Meet the British contingent.
奥本海默博士 克劳斯·福克斯 Dr. Oppenheimer. Klaus Fuchs.
-你到英国多久了？ -自从希特勒告诉我 我不是德国人 -How long have you been British? -Since Hitler told me I wasn't German.
好啊 欢迎来到洛斯阿拉莫斯 Ah. Come, welcome to Los Alamos.
学校已经开学了 The school's up and running.
-酒吧 -24小时营业 -The bar. -Always running.
我想到了一个减少后勤人员的好办法 And I thought of a way to reduce support staff.
-那是……？ -塞伯尔太太 是的 -Is that...? -Mrs. Serber, yes.
我给所有的妻子提供管理员 图书管理员 计算员的工作 I've offered jobs to all the wives, admin, librarians, computation.
既能减员 又让家人团聚 We cut down on staff, keep families together.
-这些女人够资格吗？ -别傻了 -Are these women qualified? -Don't be absurd.
她们都是我们社区里一些最聪明的人 These are some of the brightest minds in our community.
而且她们已经通过了安全检查 And they're already security cleared.
我已经汇报格罗夫斯将军你一直在举行跨部门会议 I've informed General Groves you've been holding cross-divisional
每晚公开讨论 -关闭它们 open discussions on a nightly basis. -Shut them down.
分隔化管理是重中之重 Compartmentalization is the key
为了严格保密 - 仅限最高层人员 to maintaining security... -Only the top men.
那些需要与下属沟通的人 Who presumably communicate with subordinates.
这些人不傻 他们很谨慎 These men aren't stupid. They can be discreet.
-我不喜欢这样 -你什么都不喜欢 -I don't like it. -You don't like anything enough
这是一个公平的测试 for that to be a fair test.
一周一次 仅限高层人士参加 Once a week. Top men only.
-我想带我弟弟来这里 -不 -I'd like to bring my brother here. -No.
尼科尔斯？ Nichols?
我还没听说我的安全许可获得批准 I still haven't heard that my security clearance has been approved.
-还没有 -我明天要去芝加哥 -It hasn't. -I'm going to Chicago tomorrow.
嗯 你应该等等 Well, you should wait.
你知道纳粹已经领先两年了吧？ You are aware that the Nazis have a two-year head start?
奥本海默博士 你的安全许可很难获得批准 Dr. Oppenheimer, the fact that your security clearance
事实上不是我的错 is proving difficult to obtain is not my fault.
是你的 It's yours.
也许不是你的错 但这是你的问题 因为我要去 It may not be your fault, but it's your problem. Because I'm going.
有多少人牵涉到这个 呃…… And how many people were in these, uh...
公开讨论里面？ open discussions?
太多了 分隔化管理应该有很多限制才对 Too many. Compartmentalization was supposed to be the protocol.
那时我们在和纳粹赛跑 We were in a race against the Nazis.
现在比赛对手是苏联人 And now the race is against the Soviets.
-除非我们先开始 -罗伯特 他们刚刚打响发令枪 -Not unless we start it. -Robert, they just fired the starting gun.
他们的引爆装置是什么？ What's the nature of the device they detonated?
数据显示可能是一个钚内爆装置 Data indicates it may have been a plutonium implosion device.
就跟你在洛斯阿拉莫斯造的一样 Like the one you built at Los Alamos.
俄国人有了原子弹 The Russians have a bomb.
-杜鲁门需要知道下一步怎么办 -下一步？武器谈判 -Truman needs to know what's next. -What's next? Arms talks.
-武器谈判？ -当然 -Arms talks? -Obviously.
氢弹呢? 杜鲁门知道吗？ What about the Super? Does Truman even know about it?
我们跟他汇报过吗？ Did we brief him on that?
不是很具体 Not specifically.
我们仍然不知道氢弹在技术上是否可行 We still don't know if a hydrogen bomb is technically feasible.
对 我的理解是泰勒提议的 Right, my understanding is that Teller proposed it.
-在洛斯阿拉莫斯？ -是的 -At Los Alamos? -Yes.
泰勒的设计总是不切实际 Teller's designs have always been wildly impractical.
你必须用牛车送货 而不是飞机 You'd have to deliver by oxcart, not airplane.
-奥比！ -抱歉 劳伦斯博士 -Oppie! -I'm sorry, Dr. Lawrence,
你有什么要说的吗？ do you want to comment?
没有 No.
假如它能让我们再次保持领先 Because if it can put us ahead again,
美国总统就需要知道这件事 the President of the United States needs to know about it.
假如俄国人通过在洛斯阿拉莫斯的间谍那里 And if the Russians know about it already from a spy,
已经知道此事 那么我们就得立刻上马 at Los Alamos, then we've got to get going.
没有证据表明洛斯阿拉莫斯有间谍 There's no proof there was a spy at Los Alamos.
罗伯特 Robert.
他们把它设在足球场下面？ They put it under the football stadium?
这块地不再使用了 The field's not in use anymore.
这样也好 Just as well.
-奥比！ -费米博士 -Oppie! -Dr. Fermi.
-我听说你有个小镇 -是的 有空来坐坐 -I hear you've got a little town. -Yes, come and see.
谁能在哪种地方正常思考呢？ Who could think straight in a place like that, huh?
每个人都会疯掉的 Everybody will go crazy.
谢谢你的信任 西拉德 Thank you the vote of confidence, Szilard.
我们真的……我们真的需要把这些全记下吗？ Do we really... do we really need that in the notes?
你们要做试验吗？ Are you gonna try it out?
我们做到了 We did.
第一个受控自持链式核反应 The first self-sustaining nuclear chain reaction.
格罗夫斯没告诉你吗？ Didn't Groves tell you?
没有 No.
奥本海默博士？ Dr. Oppenheimer?
我去过人事部 I tried personnel.
-他们问我会不会打字 -你会吗？ -They asked if I could type. -Can you?
哈佛大学在化学研究生课程上忘了教这个 Harvard forgot to teach that on the graduate chemistry course.
康登 让霍尼格夫人加入钚小组 Condon, put Mrs. Hornig here on the plutonium team.
你到底在芝加哥干什么？ What the hell were you doing in Chicago?
-参观大都会博物馆 -为什么？ -Visiting the met. -Why?
-你不能…… -为什么？ -You can't... -Why?
因为我们 我们有权…… Because we, we have every right...
你只有我赋予你的权利 不多不少 You have just the rights that I give you. No more, no less.
我们都是成年人了 这样做项目太荒谬了 We are adults trying to run a project here. This is ridiculous.
告诉他！ Tell him!
分隔化管理是我们同意的协议 Compartmentalization is the protocol we agreed to.
受够了这个疯人院 没人能在这种条件下工作 Enough of this madhouse. Nobody can work under these conditions.
你知道吗? 大帅 我不干了！ You know what? Generalissimo, I quit!
谢谢你什么都没做 Thanks for nothing.
没有他会更好 Better off without him.
你不怕他泄露机密吗？ Aren't you more concerned about his discretion out there?
我们会杀了他 We'll have him killed.
开玩笑的 I'm just kidding.
不 他恨的是我 不是美国 No, he hates me, not America.
你知道 将军 不是每个人都有像我这样的把柄 You know, General, not everyone has levers to pull like mine.
我不懂你说什么 I don't think I understand.
你不是不管我是左翼才雇我的 你是因为我是左翼才雇我的 You didn't hire me despite my left-wing past. You hired me because of it.
这样你就能控制我了 So you could control me.
不 我没那么狡猾 我只是个普通的士兵 No, I'm not that subtle. I'm just a humble soldier.
你既不普通 也不仅仅是个士兵 你在麻省理工学习工程学 You're neither humble, nor just a soldier. You studied engineering at MIT.
-罪名成立 -现在我们彼此理解了 -Guilty as charged. -Well, now we understand each other,
也许你能帮我弄到安全许可 perhaps you can get me my security clearance,
这样我就能为你创造奇迹 so I can perform this miracle for you.
格罗夫斯将军 你知道 General Groves, were you aware
当你任命奥本海默博士时 他与左翼组织的关系？ of Dr. Oppenheimer's left-wing associations when you appointed him?
我知道有人怀疑他 I was aware that there were suspicions about him.
我知道他有非常极端的自由主义背景 I was aware he had a very extreme liberal background.
在你看来 他会有意识地做出叛国的行为吗？ In your opinion, would he ever consciously commit a disloyal act?
如果他做了 我会很惊讶的 I would be amazed if he did.
所以你完全相信他的正直？ So you had complete confidence in his integrity?
在洛斯阿拉莫斯 是的 那是我真正了解他的地方 At Los Alamos, yes. Which is where I really knew him.
你知不知道你的安全人员在这个项目上 Do you know that your security officers on the project
建议你不要批准奥本海默博士的安全许可？ advised you against the clearance of Dr. Oppenheimer?
在我的坚持下 他们才为他办理了安全许可 They could not, and would not, clear him until I insisted.
可以肯定的说 你看过很多 And it's safe to say that you had pretty good knowledge
奥本海默博士的安全档案 -是的 of Dr. Oppenheimer's security file. -I did.
那今天你只需回答我一个问题 Well, then there's only really one question I need answered here today.
根据原子能委员会现行的指导方针 你今天会批准奥本海默博士的安全许可吗？ In light of the current AEC guidelines, would you clear Dr. Oppenheimer today?
你带来指导方针了吗？ Do you have the guidelines?
根据原子能委员会现行的指导方针 Under current AEC guidelines,
你今天会批准奥本海默博士的安全许可吗？ would you clear Dr. Oppenheimer today?
物理学和新墨西哥 是吧？ Physics and New Mexico, huh?
天啊 真是千里迢迢 My god. What a trek.
-所以你需要一个联络人 -我要任命罗曼尼兹 -That's why you need a liaison. -I'm appointing Lomanitz.
你会没事的 这边请 先生们 You're gonna be okay. This way, gentlemen.
-劳伦斯博士 -莱斯利 -Dr. Lawrence. -Leslie.
我想提醒你我们在伯克利谈过的事 I'd like to remind you what we talked about at Berkeley.
分隔化管理 我完全理解 Compartmentalization, I understand completely.
来自伯克利的问候 Greetings from Berkeley.
我来这里是为了向你更新我们的进展情况 并征求你的意见 I am here to update you on our progress and solicit your input.
要做到这一点 我必须分享一些事情 To do so, I am going to have to share a few things that
格罗夫斯将军不许我这么做 General Groves told me not to.
对不起 将军 我说我理解 不是说我同意 Sorry General, I said I understood, not that I agreed.
好了 先生们 谈正事吧！ Okay. Gentlemen, to business!
传闻说在洛斯阿拉莫斯 There were rumors of espionage
有间谍活动 -未经证实 at Los Alamos. -Unsubstantiated.
我听说有共产主义者 I'm told that there were communists
渗透这个项目 -我们并没有故意雇佣…… on the project. -We didn't knowingly employ...
我只是想知道 他们有没有参与…… I just want to know, were any of them involved
氢弹的讨论？ in discussions of the Super?
我记得你要求你弟弟来洛斯阿拉莫斯 I seem to remember you demanding your brother come to Los Alamos.
-我弟弟那时已经脱离共产党了 -那洛曼尼茨呢？ -My brother had left the party by then. -What about Lomanitz?
洛曼尼茨从未受雇于洛斯阿拉莫斯 他只是个联络员 Lomanitz was never employed at Los Alamos. He was a liaison.
我们的安保措施非常严密 前上校尼科尔斯很清楚这一点 Our security was tight, as former Colonel Nichols well knows.
考虑到所涉及的人员 我们的安保措施非常严密, Our security was as tight as it could be given the personalities involved,
但只能尽力而为 but attempts were made.
-那是什么意思？ -我们都看过他的档案 -What is that supposed to mean? -We've all read his file here.
我们需要谈谈琼·塔特洛克吗？ Do we need to talk about Jean Tatlock?
还是薛瓦利埃事件？ Or the Chevalier incident?
不好意思 Excuse me.
罗曼尼兹 一号线！ Lomanitz, line one!
你好 罗西 什么？ Hello, Rossi. What?
好吧 冷静点 Okay, just calm down.
又出事了 There's been another screwup.
-罗曼尼兹刚被征召入伍 -我们在打仗 博士 -Lomanitz just got drafted. -We are at war, Doctor.
别这么混蛋 尼克尔斯 我们需要这孩子 搞掂它 好吗？ Don't be an asshole, Nichols. We need this kid. Fix it, will you?
这不是个错误 It wasn't a mistake.
你的朋友洛曼尼茨一直在试图组建辐射实验室的工会 Your friend Lomanitz has been trying to unionize the radiation lab.
-他答应放弃这一切 -嗯 他没有 -He promised to quit all that. -Well, he hasn't.
伯克利的安全官员担心共产党渗透 The security officer at Berkeley is concerned about communist infiltration
通过那个工会 叫FA…… -FAECT. through that union, the FA... -FAECT.
下周我去的时候 我会……顺便去看看他 While I'm there next week, I'll... drop in to see him.
你的安全许可批准了 Your Q clearance came through.
重要的是你不能再接触任何有问题的联系人 It's important you not maintain or renew any questionable associations.
博士 你是否觉得一个从事秘密战争工作的人 Doctor, did you think social contacts
和共产主义者之间保持社交关系是危险的？ between a person engaged on secret war work and communists was dangerous?
我今天对危险的意识会更强烈 My awareness of the danger would be greater today.
我的意思是 公平地说 在战争年代 I mean, it's fair to say that during the war years,
你认为这样的接触是存在潜在危险的 you felt that such contacts were potentially dangerous.
是的 确实很危险 Were conceivably dangerous, yes.
我是说真的！ I mean, really!
著名的共产主义者 Known communists.
你看…… Look...
我脑子里有很多秘密已经很久了 I've had a lot of secrets in my head for a long time.
不管和谁交往 我从不谈论那些秘密 Doesn't matter who I associate with, I don't talk about those secrets.
你在证词里说 You said in your statement
1943年你必须去见琼·塔特洛克 that you had to see Jean Tatlock in 1943.
你离开了 You left.
一个字也不说 Not a word.
你觉得那会对我造成什么？ What did you think that would do to me?
我写了 I wrote.
全是空话 Pages of nothing.
你去哪儿了？ Where did you go?
-我不能告诉你 -为什么不能？ -I can't tell you. -Why not?
因为你是共产党员 Because you're a communist.
你为什么一定要见她？ Why did you have to see her?
在我们分手之前 她表示非常想见我 She had indicated a great desire to see me before we left.
当时我不能 但我觉得她必须见我 At that time I couldn't, but I felt that she had to see me.
她正在接受精神病治疗 她非常不开心 She was undergoing psychiatric treatment. She was extremely unhappy.
你知道她为什么要见你吗？ Did you find out why she had to see you?
因为她还爱着我 Because she was still in love with me.
你们一起过夜了 是吗？ You spent the night together, didn't you?
是的 Yes.
你在我的生活中进进出出 从不告诉我为什么 You drop in and out of my life, and you don't have to tell me why.
-这就是权力 -不是说我喜欢 -And that's power. -Not that I enjoy.
我宁愿在你需要的时候陪在你身边 I'd rather be here for you as you need.
但你现在有别的事情要做 But you have other priorities now.
我有妻子和孩子 I have a wife and child.
我们都不是在说这个 That's not what either of us is talking about.
琼……是你叫我来的 Jean... you asked me to come.
我很高兴我做到了 And I'm glad I did.
但我不能再见你了 But I can't see you again.
但如果我需要你呢？ But what if I need you?
你说你会永远接我电话的 You said you would always answer.
什么也不说？ Not a word?
你觉得这次见面符合安保措施的规定吗？ Did you think that consistent with good security?
事实上 是的 As a matter of fact, it was.
什么也不说 Not a word.
那之后你什么时候见过她？ When did you see her after that?
我再也没见过她 I never saw her again.
我能赶上最后一班回普林斯顿的火车 I can make the last train back to Princeton.
凯蒂 我不会说什么我没告诉你的 Kitty, I didn't say anything that I hadn't already told you.
今天你对历史说了 不是吗？ Today you said it to history, didn't you?
这是一个闭门听证会 This is a closed hearing.
如果他们不公布记录 我相信你会的 If they don't release the transcript, I'm sure you will.
-我发过誓的 -你也对我发过誓 -I was under oath. -Well, you were under an oath to me
当你去见琼的时候 when you went to see Jean.
你知道 你…… You know, you...
你坐在那里 日复一日, You sit there, day after day,
让他们把我们的生活撕个粉碎 letting them pick our lives to pieces.
你为什么不反抗？ Why won't you fight?
罗伯特 我不同意让她做证 Robert, I'm not putting her up there.
奥本海默博士 很荣幸见到你 请坐 Dr. Oppenheimer! This is an honor. Please, take a seat.
不用了 我只是想确认一下我是否应该…… No need. I just wanted to check whether I should...
考虑到你的担心 我在这的时候和洛曼尼茨谈谈 talk to Lomanitz while I'm here, given your concerns.
我想说这完全取决于你 教授 但我会小心谨慎 I'd say that's really up to you, Professor, but I'd be cautious.
明白 Understood.
噢 还有 关于工会 Oh, and, um, as regards to the union,
我想提醒你一下一个叫埃尔坦登的人 I wanted to give you a heads up on a man named Eltenton.
提醒一下？ A heads up?
是的 只是他可能值得关注 仅此而已。 Yes, just that he might bear watching, is all.
我想了解更多细节 I'd love to get more details.
我现在有个约会 明天一早就出发 I have an appointment now, and I leave early tomorrow.
好的 早点回来 我随时恭候 Well, come back as early as you like.
既然你现在没有时间 Since you haven't time now.
-你第二天早上就回去了 -是的 我不得不这么做 真的 -You went back the next morning. -I did. I had to, really.
这次还有另一个人 This time there was another man.
-他说他叫帕什 - 帕什 你见到帕什上校？ -He said his name was Pash. -Pash. You met Colonel Pash?
帕什上校 你能念一下你在1943年6月29日的备忘录吗？ Colonel Pash, could you please read from your memo dated June 29, 1943?
“对目标进行监视的结果 "Results of surveillance conducted on subject
“进一步表明可能与共产党有联系” "indicate further possible Communist Party connections."
“目标与一个叫琼·塔特洛克的人见面并待了相当长一段时间 "Subject met with and spent considerable time with one Jean Tatlock,
“一个共产主义者 记录附后” "a communist, the record of whom is attached."
-“目标”是指奥本海默博士吗？ -是的 -The subject being Dr. Oppenheimer? -Yes.
-你没见过他？ -那时没有 但很快就见到了 -Whom you had not met? -Not then, but soon after.
他是这个项目的安全主管 我应该认识他吗？ He's the head of security for the project. Shouldn't I know him?
不 他应该认识你 No, he should know you.
我绝不会让你和帕什待在同一间房子里 I would never put you in a room with Pash.
为什么？ Why not?
当帕什第一次听说洛曼尼茨时 When Pash first heard about Lomanitz,
他对联邦调查局说他要绑架他 he told the FBI he was going to kidnap him,
带他上船出海 take him out on a boat,
用俄国人的方式审问他 and interrogate him in the Russian manner.
格罗夫斯将军赋予了我一定的职责 General Groves has placed in me a certain responsibility,
就像通过遥控器和一个我看不见的孩子打交道 and it's like having a child who I can't see, by remote control.
所以真正见到本人…… So to actually meet you is...
-我不会占用你太多时间 -哦 不 -I won't take up too much of your time. -Oh, no.
一点也不 随你奉陪 Not at all. Whatever time you choose.
约翰逊先生告诉我你们昨天的谈话 Mr. Johnson told me of the conversation you had yesterday,
我很感兴趣 这让我担心了一整天 which I'm very interested in. It's had me worried all day.
是的 好吧 我不想在未经授权的情况下和洛曼尼茨谈话 Yes, well, I didn't want to talk to Lomanitz without authorization.
这不是我特别感兴趣的 That's not the particular interest that I have.
头绪变得有点多…… It's something a little bit more...
在我看来 更严重了 In my opinion, more serious.
然后当联邦调查局指出 And then when the FBI pointed out
这样的信息是不会被法庭采纳的 that such information wouldn't be admissible in court,
帕什拍胸脯保证 他绝不会 Pash made it clear he had no intention
留下任何证人给人起诉 of leaving any witness left to prosecute.
后来 联邦调查局总算说服了他 但他就是你的影子 Now, the FBI talked him down, but that's the man you're dancing with.
我想你已经听说了还有其他政党 I gather you've heard there are other parties
也对辐射实验室的工作感兴趣吧？ interested in the work of the radiation lab?
一个和苏联领事有关系的人说 A man attached to the Soviet consul indicated,
这个项目里的人 通过他作中间人 through intermediate people, to people on this project,
能够传递一些信息 that he was in a position to transmit information.
为什么这个项目里的人要这么做？ Well, why would anyone on the project want to do that?
坦率地说 我认为总司令通知俄罗斯人是有道理的 Frankly, I can see that there might be an argument for the Commander-in-Chief
毕竟他们是我们的盟友 但是...... informing the Russians, they're our allies, after all, but...
我不喜欢偷偷摸摸的想法 I don't like the idea of it going out the back door.
留意一下也许没什么坏处 It might not hurt to be on the lookout for it.
你对帕什也这么说 And you said that to Pash.
我试图把整件事置于“俄国不是德国”的背景下 I was trying to put it in the context of "Russia's not Germany".
鲍里斯・帕什是俄国东正教主教的儿子 Boris Pash is the son of a Russian Orthodox bishop.
他出生在这里 但1918年他返回俄国与布尔什维克作战 Born here, but in 1918 he went back to Russia to fight the Bolsheviks.
这是一个与共产党不共戴天的仇人 This is a man who has killed communists with his own hands.
谁该知道谁不该知道 我说了不算 I'm not the judge of who should or should not have information.
我的职责就是阻止它非法传出去 It's my business to stop it from going through illegally.
你能说得再具体点吗？ Could you be a little more specific?
有个人的名字被提到过好几次 埃尔坦登 There's a man whose name was mentioned to me, a couple of times, Eltenton.
我相信他是在壳牌公司工作的化学家 I believe he's a chemist who works at Shell.
他和他的一个朋友聊天 He talked to a friend of his,
他朋友是这个项目里某个人的熟人 who's an acquaintance of someone on the project.
你觉得帕什会对此满意吗？ And you thought Pash would be satisfied with that?
我试图给他们埃尔坦登 同时又避免捅出大篓子 I was attempting to give them Eltenton without opening a can of worms.
我给他们编了个荒唐的故事 I told them a cock-and-bull story.
-你也对格罗夫斯将军撒谎了吗？ -没有 -Did you lie to General Groves, too? -No.
我向他承认我对帕什撒谎了 I admitted to him that I'd lied to Pash.
你还记得这次关于薛瓦利埃事件的谈话吗？ Do you recall this conversation about the Chevalier incident?
我看过很多版本 呃…… I've seen so many versions of it, uh...
以前没搞混 但现在肯定搞混了 Wasn't confused before, but I'm certainly getting there now.
-你的结论是什么？ -他受影响太深 -And what was your conclusion? -That he was under the influence
典型的美国男生态度 of the typical American schoolboy attitude
告发朋友是一件卑鄙龌龊的事情 that there's something wicked about telling on a friend.
现在 我们能知道联系人是谁吗？ Well now, might we know through whom the contact was made?
那会牵连到本不应涉及此事的人 That would involve people who are not to be involved in this.
那个人是项目的成员吗？ Is that someone a member of the project?
是的 一名教员 但不是这个项目的成员 A member of the faculty, yes, but not in the project, no.
啊.. Ah...
所以埃尔坦登通过伯克利大学的一名教员进行接触 So Eltenton made his approach through a member of the faculty here at Berkeley.
据我所知 据我所知 是的 As far as I know, as far as I know, yes.
但是……可能有……不止一个人牵涉其中 But there... may have been... more than one person involved.
先生们 如果我…… 如果我拒绝透露 Gentlemen, if I... if I seem uncooperative,
我希望你能理解这是因为我的原则 I think you can understand it's because of my insistence
不能让无辜的人陷入麻烦 on not getting innocent people into trouble.
你想保护你的朋友 谁来保护你呢？ You're trying to protect your friend. Who's protecting you?
嗯 你啊 Well, you could.
-如果你告诉我名字…… -如果你命令我 我会说的 -If you gave me the name... -If you order me to, I'll do it.
这是个错误 罗伯特 你得主动提出这个名字 That's a mistake, Robert. You need to volunteer this name.
他告诉你名字了吗？ Did he give you the name?
-他说了 -但不是那时候 不是吗？ -He did. -But not then, did he?
-不 -不 实际上 -No. -No, in fact,
那是几个月后的事 对不对？ it was some months later, wasn't it?
是的 It was.
-你觉得我很固执 -嗯 你是…… -You see me as persistent. -Well, you are...
你是很固执 但那是你的职责 you are persistent, but that is your job.
而 而我的职责就是保护我手下的人 And, and my job is to protect the people that work for me.
在我们采取某种措施之前 Instead of us going on certain steps,
你可能会注意到 which may come to your attention...
这些措施会让你感到不安 and be disturbing to you,
我想先和你讨论一下 I would like to discuss those with you first.
我不是在制定计划 我只是要消化一下整件事情 I'm not formulating a plan, I'll just have to digest the whole thing.
在你和奥本海默博士交谈后的几个月里 In the months in between your interview with Dr. Oppenheimer,
以及整件事最终被命名为“薛瓦利埃事件” 你有没有动用一切力量试图找出 and his eventual naming of Chevalier, did you expend resources trying to find
中间人的名字？ -动用一切力量 是的 the name of the intermediary? -Considerable resources, yes.
没有这个名字 我们的工作寸步难行 Without the name, our job was extremely difficult.
-你什么时候知道这个名字的？ -那会我已经走了 奥本海默最终 -And when did you receive the name? -I was gone by the time Oppenheimer
提交的时候 -走了？ finally offered it up. -Gone?
他们觉得我待在欧洲更好 They felt my time would be better spent in Europe,
调查纳粹原子弹计划的情况 determining the status of the Nazi bomb project.
谁干的？ Who did?
格罗夫斯将军 General Groves.
他把我调到了伦敦 He transferred me to London.
现在开圣诞派对有点早吧 It's a little early for a Christmas party.
出事了 Something's up.
托尔曼走了 Tolman's been away.
去哪儿？ Where?
露丝不会说的 Ruth won't tell.
说吧 露丝 Come on, Ruthie.
如果你不告诉我 你能告诉谁？ If you can't tell me, who can you tell?
分隔化管理 奥比 Compartmentalization, Oppie.
你凭什么认为我知道他在哪？ What makes you think I know where he is, anyway?
因为你做得很好 Because you do a pretty good job
在关键时刻知道 托尔曼先生在哪里 of knowing where Mr. Tolman is when it counts.
就像现在？ Like now?
立正！ Attention!
提前给你们准备了圣诞礼物 Early Christmas present for you all.
英国飞行员把我放进炸弹舱 The British pilot put me in the bomb bay.
他塞给我氧气罩 但我搞砸了 He showed me the oxygen, you know, but I messed it up.
他们在苏格兰给我开刀的时候 我昏迷过去 Um, when they opened me up in Scotland, I was unconscious.
但我假装睡着了 But I pretended I'd been napping.
祝大家玩得开心 Please enjoy your party.
-够大吗？ -为了结束战争？ -Is it big enough? -To end the war?
结束一切战争 To end all war.
呃 海森堡来哥本哈根找我 Uh, Heisenberg sought me out in Copenhagen.
我以前的学生为纳粹工作 真教人不寒而栗 It was chilling, my old student working for the Nazis.
他透露我一些事情想吸引我 He told me some things to draw me out.
铀的持续裂变反应 Sustained fission reactions in uranium.
听起来更像是反应堆而不是原子弹 That sounds more like a reactor than a bomb.
他提到气体扩散法了吗？ Did he mention gaseous diffusion?
他似乎更专注于重水 He seemed more focused on heavy water.
-作为减速剂？ -是的 而不是石墨 -As a moderator? -Yes, instead of graphite.
怎么了？ What?
他拐错弯道 He took a wrong turn.
我们领先了 We're ahead.
有你在这里帮助我们 尼尔斯…… And with you here to help us, Niels...
抱歉 能让我们单独谈谈吗 先生们？ Sorry, could you give us a moment, gentlemen?
我不是来帮忙的 罗伯特 I am not here to help, Robert.
我知道没有我你也能成功 I knew you could do this without me.
-那你为什么来？ -以后再说 -Then why did you come? -To talk about after.
你即将释放的力量 纳粹毁灭后也将一直存在 The power you're about to reveal will forever outlive the Nazis.
而这个世界还没有准备好 And the world is not prepared.
“在你准备好对付蛇之前 千万不要搬开大石头” "You can lift the stone without being ready for the snake that's revealed."
我们得让政客们明白这不是什么新武器 We have to make the politicians understand this isn't a new weapon.
这是一个新世界 It's a new world.
我会尽我所能 但是你…… I'll be out there doing what I can, but you...
你是美国的普罗米修斯 You're an American Prometheus.
是你给他们毁灭自己的力量 The man who gave them the power to destroy themselves.
他们会尊重这一点 And they'll respect that.
你的工作才真正开始 Your work really begins.
对不起 奥比 有电话找你 I'm sorry, Oppie, but there's a call.
来自旧金山 From San Francisco.
罗伯特！ Robert!
罗伯特？ Robert?
罗伯特 Robert.
天啊 怎么了？ God, what's the matter?
发生了什么？ What happened?
她父亲打来电话 Her father called.
她把自己锁在浴室里 He found her yesterday in the bath.
谁？ Who?
她吃了药 留下一张没有签名的字条 She's taken pills. Left a note, not signed.
她服用了巴比妥类药物 但血液里有水合氯醛 She took barbiturates, but there was chloral hydrate in her blood.
有张纸条 There was a note.
琼·塔特洛克？ Jean Tatlock?
我们相爱过 We were together.
她说她需要我 She said she needed me. I...
我告诉她我…… I told her I...
我不能…… I wouldn't...
我告诉她我…… I told her I...
不 是我 是我 No, it was me, it was me.
你不能认罪 You don't get to commit the sin
让我们都为你感到难过 这样后果不堪设想 and then have us all feel sorry for you that it had consequences.
你一定要振作起来 Now you pull yourself together.
明白吗 这里的人都需要你 You know, people here depend on you.
唐纳德 做点有用的事情好吗？ Donald, would you like to contribute here?
-拜托 帮帮我 -你得靠自己 伙计 -Please, help me out. -You're on your own, pal.
鲍勃 我不会因为钚有放射性就辞职的 Bob, I'm not quitting my job because plutonium is radioactive.
我们只是不知道它会导致什么 We just don't know what it might do
进入女性生殖系统 -你的生殖系统 to the female reproductive system. -Your reproductive system
可能比我的暴露程度更高 -我们可以吗？ is more exposed than mine, presumably. -Can we please?
-内爆装置来不及了 -我们不能急于求成 奥比 拜托 -The implosion device is nowhere. -We can't rush everything. Oppie, please.
既要赶时间 又要做得好 只能二选一 Well, there's rushing and there's getting on with it, so pick one.
等等 等等 等等 尼德迈尔在埋头苦干 Wait, wait, wait. Neddermeyer is doing his job.
泰勒没帮上忙 你也不帮忙 Teller's not helping. You're not helping.
几周来我一直在问内爆透镜的计算结果 I've been asking for calculations on the implosion lenses for weeks.
-英国人能做到 福克斯 -当然 -The British can do it. Fuchs. -Absolutely.
-这是你的工作 泰勒 -我在做研究 -It's your job, Teller. -I'm engaged in research.
我们根本就没在造氢弹！ On a hydrogen bomb we're not even building!
我不会和那个人合作的 I won't work with that man.
哦 让他走 Oh. Let him go.
-他是个自命不凡的娘炮！ -同意 -He's a prima donna! -I agree.
-他应该离开洛斯阿拉莫斯 -好的 -He should leave Los Alamos. -Okay.
凯斯蒂 你代替尼德迈尔 塞斯 我把你放在钚小组 Kisti, you replace Neddermeyer. Seth, I'm putting you on plutonium.
莉莉 你去跟凯斯蒂 因为他需要你 Lilli, you go on for Kisti, because he needs you.
福克斯 你接替泰勒的角色 Fuchs, you take Teller's role.
我让你专门负责内爆装置 I'm putting you exclusively on the implosion device.
没人能离开洛斯阿拉莫斯 And no one is leaving Los Alamos.
-他们不让我走！ -不 我不会让你走的 -They won't let me leave! -No, I won't let you leave.
忘了汉斯 忘了裂变 Forget Hans, forget fission.
留在这里 研究你想要的东西 Stay here, research what you want.
核聚变 氢弹什么的 Fusion, the hydrogen bomb, whatever.
-我们会见面讨论的 -你没时间见我 -We'll meet to discuss it. -You don't have time to meet.
你现在是个政客 罗伯特 你已经把物理学抛在脑后很多很多年了 You're a politician now, Robert. You've left physics behind many, many years ago.
一周一次 Once a week.
一个小时 你和我 One hour, you and me.
现在升起这该死的路障！ Now raise this fucking barrier!
那么氢弹是你在洛斯阿拉莫斯监督开发的？ So the氢弹was under development on your watch at Los Alamos?
是的 Yes.
然而 在战后 你试图否认它的可行性 And yet, after the war, you tried to deny it was viable.
不 不 不 我只是指出它在技术上的困难 No, no, no. I pointed out technical difficulties with it.
你不是想在原子能委员会会议上扼杀它吗 Didn't you try to kill it at the AEC meeting
-在俄国原子弹试验之后？ -没有 after the Russian bomb test? -No.
这是原子能委员会的建议 不是吗？ But that was the recommendation of the AEC, was it not?
在讨论了几个小时的最佳应对之后 After hours of discussion about the best response.
氢弹的威力是原子弹的1000倍 An H-bomb is 1,000 times the power of an A-bomb.
它唯一的目标是最大的城市 Its only intended target would be the largest cities.
-这是大规模种族灭绝的武器 -伊兹 -It's a weapon of mass genocide. -Izzy.
在地图的这一边画一些圆圈 Draw some circles on this side of the map,
他们的目标是我们 从纽约开始 where they would target us, starting with New York.
-很公平 -华盛顿特区 -That's fair. -D.C.
这是一种攻击性武器 没有任何防御作用 It's a weapon of attack with no defensive value.
-威慑 -威慑？ -Deterrence. -Deterrence?
我们真的需要比我们目前的原子弹武器库更多的威慑吗？ Do we really need more deterrence than our current arsenal of atomic bombs?
你 你淹死在10英尺深的水里还是一万英尺深的水里 有什么区别？ You, you drown in ten feet of water or 10,000, what's the difference?
我们已经可以淹没俄国了 他们知道…… We can already drown Russia. They know it...
-现在他们也可以淹没我们…… -我们只是在升级…… -Now they can drown us with... -We're just escalating...
正如我所说 泰勒的设计和战时一样不切实际 As I said, Teller's designs are still as impractical as they were during the war.
氢弹是可行的 奥比 你懂的 A hydrogen bomb can be made to work, Oppie. You know that.
我不建议我们应该把所有的资源都用在这上面 I don't believe we should commit all our resources to that chance.
那你怎么让杜鲁门安抚美国人民呢？ Then how would you have Truman reassure the American people?
只需限制原子武器的扩散 Simply by limiting the spread of atomic weapons
通过对核能的国际管制 through international control on nuclear energy.
你是说世界政府 By which you mean world government.
联合国 正如罗斯福所希望的那样 The United Nations, as Roosevelt intended.
嗯 我是问杜鲁门该怎么办 对吧？世界变了 Well, I asked what Truman should do, right? The world's changed.
威胁我们生存的不是法西斯主义 而是共产主义 It's not fascism but communism that now threatens our survival.
刘易斯 你明白吗 如果我们制造氢弹 Lewis, do you understand, if we build a hydrogen bomb,
俄国人将别无选择 只能建造自己的？ the Russians will have no choice but to build their own?
他们不是正在做吗？ Could they be working on one already?
根据从洛斯阿拉莫斯的间谍那里得到的信息…… Based on information gathered from the spy at Los Alamos...
-洛斯阿拉莫斯没有间谍 -先生们…… -No spy at Los Alamos. -Gentlemen...
-没有吗？ -我们不要跑题 -There wasn't? -Let's not get sidetracked.
我觉得我们应该利用这个机会让俄国人让步 I say we use this moment to gain concessions from the Russians
通过承诺我们不会制造氢弹 by committing that we will not build a hydrogen bomb.
那就会暴露它的存在 Thereby revealing its existence.
你似乎确信他们已经知道了 Which you seem convinced they already know.
好吧 Alright.
现在 我希望委员会成员能私下交流 At this point, I'd like the committee members to meet in privacy
最终确定我们的建议 to finalize our recommendations.
我只是不确定你是否想走这条路 I'm just not sure you want to go down this route.
刘易斯 恕我直言 我们是顾问委员会 Lewis, with respect, we are the advisory committee.
我们会给他们我们的建议 We will give them our advice.
晚安 Good night.
奥本海默博士? 你好 Dr. Oppenheimer? Hi.
我是威廉·博登 原子能联合委员会的 William Borden. Joint Committee on Atomic Energy.
哦 是的 是的 Oh, yes, yes.
战争期间 我是个飞行员 During the war, I was a pilot.
一天晚上 我从一次袭击中返航 看到了令人惊讶的一幕 One night, flying back from a raid, I saw an amazing sight.
一枚V2火箭 像流星一样飞向英格兰 Like a meteor. A V2 rocket headed to England.
我忍不住想象 如果这枚敌人的火箭携带原子弹头 I can't help but imagine what it will be
将会发生什么 for such an enemy rocket to carry an atomic warhead.
我们将确保不是我们让这一切成为可能 Let's make sure we're not the ones to make that possible.
奥比 我觉得你不该和施特劳斯较劲 Oppie, I don't think you want to go up against Strauss.
如果大家都表态 他们就会听我的 If we both speak, they listen to me.
你说话时 他们听到的是先知 施特劳斯说话时 他们听到的是自己 When you speak, they hear a prophet. When Strauss speaks, they hear themselves.
他们会听先知的话 They'll listen to a prophet.
先知不会错 一次也不会 A prophet can't be wrong. Not once.
你有没有指控奥本海默破坏了氢弹的研发？ Did you accuse Oppenheimer of sabotaging the development of the Super?
我从来不是那种喜欢搞阴谋诡计的人 I was never one of those to bandy around terms like sabotage.
-但博登先生是？ -据我所知 有可能 -But Mr. Borden was? -As I understand it, possibly.
博登先生是如何写出这么详细的起诉书的？ How was Mr. Borden able to put together such a detailed indictment?
他不再是政府雇员了 但他似乎 He was no longer a government employee, yet he appears to have had
仍然可以访问奥本海默博士的档案 unlimited access to Dr. Oppenheimer's file.
尼科尔斯先生有没有可能给他看文件的权限？ Might Mr. Nichols have given him access to the file?
还是原子能委员会的人？ Or someone else at the AEC?
这是非常严重的指控 参议员 That's a very serious accusation, Senator.
你是不是想说 Is it your intention to suggest
奥本海默博士对美国不忠？ that Dr. Oppenheimer is disloyal to the United States?
我始终认为 并且现在仍然认为他忠于美国 I've always assumed, and still assume, that he's loyal to the United States.
我相信 我也会一直相信 I believe this, and I shall believe it,
除非我看到相反的确凿证据 until I see very conclusive proof to the opposite.
你是否相信奥本海默博士存在安全风险？ Do you or do you not believe that Dr. Oppenheimer is a security risk?
容我说一句 希特勒在地堡里自爆以后 If I may, look, when Hitler blew his brains out in that bunker,
我个人认为没有必要 it is my humble opinion that there is no need
除了那个试验场 原子弹在任何地方都不该使用 for that bomb to be seen anywhere except that test site.
我觉得 我们至少得花点时间想想 Well, we at least have to take a moment to think about
目的正义是否就意味着手段正义 因为…… whether the means justify the ends any longer because...
德国就要投降了 Germany is about to surrender.
对人类最大的威胁不再是敌人 It's no longer the enemy who are the greatest threat to mankind.
而是我们的工作 It's our work.
确实 希特勒死了 Hitler's dead. It's true.
但日本还在负隅顽抗 But the Japanese fight on.
看来他们必败无疑 Their defeat seems assured.
除非你准备派军队入侵 Not if you're a G.I. preparing to invade.
我们可以结束这场战争 We can end this war.
但我们如何证明对人类使用这种武器是正当的呢？ But how do we justify using this weapon on human beings?
我们是理论家 不是吗？ We're theorists. Yes?
我们想象未来 而我们的想象让我们感到恐惧 We imagine a future, and our imaginings horrify us.
直到世人看见它 他们才会害怕 They won't fear it until they understand it,
直到我们使用它 他们才会看见 and they won't understand it until they've used it.
当全世界都知道洛斯阿拉莫斯可怕的秘密时 When the world learns the terrible secret of Los Alamos,
我们在这里的工作将确保人类史上一个崭新的和平 our work here will ensure a peace mankind has never seen.
建立在国际合作基础上的和平 A peace based on the kind of international cooperation
罗斯福总统一直梦寐以求的和平 that Roosevelt always envisaged.
-进展如何？ -两年 花了十亿美元 -Progress? -Two years and a billion dollars' worth.
-很难用金钱来衡量 -不 只是把账单加起来 -Hard to put a price on it. -Not really, just add up the bills.
都快成野战孕妇营地了 第一年出生80个婴儿 Rural free deliveries. 80 babies delivered the first year.
今年我们一个月就有十个 This year we've had ten, a month.
节育有点超出我的能力范围啊 将军 Birth control is a little out of my jurisdiction, General.
-显而易见 -将军 -Clearly. -General.
大家低头 福克斯 低头 Head down, everybody. Fuchs, head down.
就是这个！ That's the one!
两枚可用的炸弹 Two viable bombs.
给我个时间 I need a date.
九月 September.
七月 July.
这次爆破完美 先生们 That's the sweet spot, gentlemen.
八月 August.
七月 July.
七月份测试 Tests in July.
但我需要我弟弟 But I need my brother.
弗兰克了解沙漠 他早把政治抛在脑后了 Frank knows the desert. He's left politics behind.
他已经和劳伦斯共事两年 He's been working with Lawrence for two years now.
这次测试叫什么？ What do we call the test?
“敲打我心 "Batter my heart,
“圣父、圣子、圣灵” "three-person'd God."
什么？ What?
三位一体 Trinity.
你坚持要带上你弟弟弗兰克 一个著名的共产党员 You insisted on bringing on your brother Frank, a known communist.
前共产党员 Former communist.
你让一个著名的前共产主义者 进入…… You brought a known former communist...
美国最机密最重要的国防项目 onto America's most secret and important defense project.
我知道我弟弟是可以信任的 绝对可以 I knew my brother could be trusted. Absolutely.
你觉得你对团队中谁可以信任的判断是正确的吗？ And you thought your judgment was sound on who on the team could be trusted?
福克斯 低头 Fuchs, head down.
好了 都准备好了吗？ Okay. Everybody ready?
-我希望你学到些东西 -是的 我们已经知道我们需要 -I hope you learned something. -Yeah, we've learned we're gonna need
一个更远的地方 -好吧 快点想办法 to be a lot further away. -Well, figure it out, fast.
我们明早去华盛顿 我们要给他们个准信 We leave for Washington in the morning. We're going to give him a date.
大老远从芝加哥来啊 利奥 You're a long way from Chicago, Leo.
如果我们现在不行动 他们就会用这东西对付日本 If we don't act now, they're going to use this thing against Japan.
我们和杜鲁门预约见面 但被人取消了 We booked a meeting with Truman, but somebody killed it.
你要去见战争部长 You're meeting the Secretary of War.
就因为是我们制造的 并不意味着我们可以决定如何使用它 Just because we're building it, doesn't mean we get to decide how it's used.
历史将审评我们 罗伯特 History will judge us, Robert.
在芝加哥 我们起草了一份请愿书 In Chicago, we put together a petition.
我不……我不想参与这个 I'm not... I'm not getting into this.
只要告诉我你的担忧 我会传达的 Just tell me your concerns, and I'll relate them.
我的担忧? 德国战败了 My concerns? Germany's defeated.
日本独木难支 Japan's not going to hold out alone.
你怎么知道? 是你把我们牵扯进来的 How could you know that? You got us into this.
你和爱因斯坦 还有你给罗斯福写信说我们可以制造原子弹 You and Einstein, with your letter to Roosevelt saying we could build a bomb.
那是对付德国 Against Germany.
制造武器可不管这些 西拉德 That's not how weapons manufacture works, Szilard.
奥比 你得帮帮我 Oppie, you have to help.
费米参加会议 劳伦斯参加会议 Fermi's in the meeting. Lawrence is in the meeting.
他们不是你 你是伟大的科学推销员 They're not you. You're the great salesman of science.
你可以说服任何人相信任何事 You can convince anyone of anything.
甚至是你自己 Even yourself.
不好意思 Excuse me.
东京大火造成10万人死亡 其中大部分是平民 The firestorm in Tokyo killed 100,000 people, mostly civilians.
当我们做这些事情时却没有人抗议 我开始担心美国 I worry about America when we do these things and no one protests.
珍珠港事件 以及三年来太平洋地区的残酷杀戮 Pearl Harbor, and three years of brutal conflict in the Pacific,
给了我们在美国公众心目中极大的自由 buys a lot of latitude with the American public.
足以投掷原子弹吗？ Enough to unleash the atomic bomb?
原子弹造成的破坏可能没有轰炸东京那么严重 Uh, the A-bomb might not cause as much damage as the Tokyo bombings.
我们估计如何？ What are we estimating?
在一个中等规模的城市 呃…… In a medium-sized city, uh...
死亡两三万人 20,000 or 30,000 dead.
是的 但是不可低估 Yes, but don't underestimate
原子弹爆炸的心理影响 the psychological impact of an atomic explosion.
一个烈焰冲天的万丈火柱 A pillar of fire, 10,000 feet tall,
一英里范围内致命的中子效应 deadly neutron effects for a mile,
从一台装置向四面八方扩散 in all directions, from one single device.
从一架毫不起眼的B-29轰炸机上投下 原子弹将是…… Dropped from a barely-noticed B-29, the atomic bomb will be...
神圣力量的末日启示 a terrible revelation of divine power.
如果你说的是真的 那就确凿无疑了 If that's true, it would be definitive.
第二次世界大战就此结束 World War II would be over.
我们的孩子将会回家 Our boys would come home.
攻击目标呢？ Military targets?
如果没有足够大的城市 But there aren't any big enough.
也可以选一个重要的兵工厂 Perhaps a vital war plant,
工人们住在附近 with workers housed nearby.
我们可以发出警告 减少平民伤亡 And we could issue a warning to reduce civilian casualties.
他们会不惜一切代价对付我们 They'd send everything they have up against us,
甚至打落每一架飞机 and I'd be up in that plane.
如果我们宣布了 但没有成功 If we announce it, and it fails to go off,
反而会激起日本战争的气焰 we'd scupper any chance of a Japanese surrender.
难道没有办法向日本展示原子弹来导致投降吗？ Is there no way to demonstrate a bomb to Japan to provoke surrender?
我们打算用最无可争辩的事实来宣布这一点 We intend to demonstrate it in the most unambiguous terms.
两次 Twice.
一次为了展示武器的威力 Once to show the weapon's power,
第二次证明我们可以一直这么做直到他们投降 and a second to show that we can keep doing this until they surrender.
我们有12座城市可供选择 We have a list of 12 cities to choose from.
对不起 11座 Sorry, 11.
我已经把京都从名单上划掉了 I've taken Kyoto off the list,
鉴于它对日本人民的文化意义 due to its cultural significance to the Japanese people.
还有 我和我妻子在那里度蜜月 Also, my wife and I honeymooned there.
这是一座美丽绝伦的城市 It's a magnificent city.
让我把事情简单化 先生们 Let me make this simple for you, gentlemen.
根据我不能告诉你们的情报 According to my intelligence, which I cannot share with you,
日本人无论如何 the Japanese people will not surrender,
不会投降 under any circumstances,
除非能成功彻底地占领本岛 short of a successful and total invasion of the home islands.
许多人将失去生命 包括美国人和日本人 Many lives would be lost, American and Japanese.
在日本城市使用原子弹将拯救生命 The use of the atomic bomb on Japanese cities will save lives.
如果我们保持道德优势 If we retain moral advantage.
-为什么这么说？ -一旦我们使用这个武器 -How so? -Well, if we use this weapon
而不通知我们的盟友 他们会将其视为威胁 without informing our allies, they'll see it as a threat,
我们就会陷入军备竞赛 and we'll be in an arms race.
我们能对苏联人开诚布公吗？ How open can we be with the Soviets?
保密不会阻止苏联加入原子俱乐部 Secrecy won't stop the Soviets from becoming part of the atomic world.
-我们被告知他们没有铀 -你们被误导了 -We've been told they have no uranium. -You've been misinformed.
俄国拥有原子弹只是时间问题 A Russian bomb is a matter of time.
战后这个项目需要全速推进 The program needs to continue at full pace after the war.
辛普森部长 容我说一句 Secretary Simpson, if I may,
并非所有参与该项目的科学家都意见一致 not all scientists on the project are in agreement.
事实上 现在可能是考虑其他意见的时候了 In fact, this might be a moment to consider other opinions.
-如果你和科学家谈谈…… -曼哈顿计划陷入困境 -If you talk to scientists... -The Manhattan Project has been plagued
从某些科学家开始…… from the start by certain scientists of...
他们有着令人怀疑的谨慎和摇摆不定的忠诚 doubtful discretion, and uncertain loyalty.
其中一位刚刚试图与总统见面 One of 'em just tried to meet with the President.
现在 我们需要这些人 Now, we need these men,
但一旦实现了 but as soon as it's practical,
我们应该把任何这样的科学家从这个项目中除名 we should sever any such scientists from the program.
你同意吗 博士？ Wouldn't you agree, Doctor?
如果俄国的原子弹不可避免 If a Russian bomb is inevitable,
也许我们应该邀请他们的顶尖科学家来三一学院 perhaps we should invite their top scientist to Trinity.
杜鲁门总统无意提高 President Truman has no intention of raising expectations
人们对斯大林参与原子项目的期望 that Stalin be included in the atomic project.
向他通报我们的突破 Informing him of our breakthrough,
并以此作为赢得战争的手段 and presenting it as a means to win the war,
又不需要做出不可兑现的承诺 need not make unkeepable promises.
不过 七月份的波茨坦和平会议 But, the Potsdam Peace Conference in July
将是杜鲁门总统进行这一对话的最后机会 will be President Truman's last chance to have that conversation.
你能在那之前给我们一颗可用的原子弹吗？ Can you give us a working bomb by then?
绝对可以 Absolutely.
我们将赶在会议开始前进行测试 We will test fire before the conference.
原爆点 观察哨 Ground zero. Observation posts
一万英尺外 北边 南边 西边 at 10,000 yards, north, south, and west.
-我们从哪里引爆？ -南边 一万英尺 -Where do we trigger from? -South, 10,000.
大本营在这儿以南十英里处 And base camp is ten miles south here.
20英里外的那座山上还有一个观察哨 And there's a further observation post on that hill, 20 miles away.
那是什么 弗兰克? 引爆线已经就位了 What's that, Frank? Trigger lines already went in.
空军要求为他们的B-29飞机配备一排照明灯 The Air Force requested a line of lights for their B-29.
什么B- 29? 我们的炸弹在塔上 What B-29? Our bomb's on the tower.
他们想利用这次测试 They want to use the test
确认安全操作距离 -太危险了 to confirm a safe operating distance. -That's risky.
总比不上在日本上空空投那么危险 But not as risky as dropping one over Japan,
希望我们对爆炸半径的判断是正确的 and hoping that we were right about the blast radius.
别让他们拖慢我们的进度 我们将在15号测试 Don't let 'em slow us down, we're firing on the 15th.
-15号? 那不是…… -15号 -The 15th? That's not... -The 15th.
15号 15th.
我会守在南观察站 So I'll be here at South Observation Point
与弗兰克和基斯蒂亚考斯基一起 with Frank and Kistiakowsky.
你们都会安排到大本营 You'll all be assigned to Base Camp,
西观测站 或称远观测点 West Observation, or Far Observation.
嘿 哇 小心那把刀 Hey, whoa, whoa! Careful with that knife.
这些距离安全吗？ Are those safe distances?
它们是根据你的计算得出的 They're based on your calculations.
是时候支持你的科学了 汉斯 真心的 Time to stand behind your science, Hans. Literally.
辐射云怎样？ What about the radiation cloud?
如果没有强风 它应该会散落在2-3英里范围内 Without high winds, it should settle within 2-3 miles.
疏散措施已就位 Evacuation measures are in place.
但是我们需要好的天气来提高能见度 所以必须是晴天 But we need good weather for visibility, so it has to be fine.
所有人都出去！ Everybody out!
我们在15号晚上行动 剩下时间不多 We go on the night of the 15th. It's a hard deadline.
所以如果有人有什么事 请现在就说 So if anyone has anything, speak now.
好了 停下 停下! 所有人注意 上床垫 Okay, stop, stop! Everybody, mattresses.
把床垫辅在下面 Put the mattress there, underneath.
我们可以进行最后的内爆测试 We could use a final implosion test.
-又没什么坏处 -干吧 -It couldn't hurt. -Do it.
还有什么能阻止我们吗？ Is there anything else that might stop us?
开始了 是吗？ It's happening, isn't it?
我会发信息 I'll send a message.
如果事情顺利 If it's gone our way:
“把床单收起来” "Take in the sheets."
罗伯特 Robert.
祝你成功 Break a leg.
看 Look.
奥比投注三千吨当量 非常稳健 Oppie's taken a very modest three kilotons.
-泰勒预测4万5千吨 -20！ -Teller's view is 45. -20!
有人押2万吨TNT当量 20,000 tons of TNT.
没人想赌点燃大气层的副作用吗？ And does anyone want the side action on atmospheric ignition?
你是说我们必须推迟吗？ Are you saying we'll have to delay?
我是说这样做比较稳妥 I'm saying it would be prudent.
这种天气 已经到达现场了吗？ This weather, has it reached the site?
贝斯打电话来告诉你内爆测试失败了 Bethe is calling to tell you the implosion test failed.
喂 汉斯? 是的 他在这里 Hello, Hans? Yes, he's here.
是的 Yes.
他错了吗？ Is he wrong?
-没有 -没有？ -No. -No?
没有 No.
这枚炸弹很可能会是一枚哑弹？ So we're about to fire a dud?
-不 -解释一下！ -No. -Explain!
嗯 我不能 我只是 我…… Well, I can't. I just, I...
我只知道 我知道内爆炸药会起作用的 I just know, I know the implosion lenses will work.
如果我们发射这些引爆器而它们没有引发反应 If we fire these detonators and they don't trigger a reaction,
两年生产的钚会散落在白沙上 two years' worth of plutonium will be scattered across White Sands.
我用一个月的工资 和你赌十块钱 内爆炸药能成功 A month of my salary against ten bucks says it lights.
哦 上帝！ Oh, Jesus!
原暴点有风 没有雨 电闪雷鸣 The wind's pickin' up at zero, not the rain. Lightning's circling.
我想是时候让你的人离开了 Think it might be time to tell your men to get away
带着原子弹从钢铁塔里落荒而逃？ from the steel tower with the atomic bomb?
我们去南观察站 Let's get to South Observation.
豁出来 我们能在那里下定决心 Pull 'em out, and we can make our determination there.
团队已经两夜没合眼了！ The team hasn't slept in two nights!
如果我们停止 确保炸弹安全 我们几个星期都回不来！ If we stand down and make the bomb safe, we won't be back here for weeks!
我们会错过波茨坦的！ And we'll miss Potsdam!
我必须在七点前通知杜鲁门 留给我们的时间不多了 I gotta get word to Truman by seven, our window's closing.
-现在情况怎样？ -暴雨 狂风 闪电 -What is this doing? -Raining, blowing, lightning.
-还要多久 该死？ -坚持住！ -For how long, damnit? -Holdin' strong!
天亮前会好的 It'll break before dawn.
-你怎么知道？ -我了解这片沙漠 -How could you know that? -I know this desert.
暴风雨持续一整夜 当黎明到来 就会转晴 Storm cools overnight. Just before dawn, storm breaks.
你可能是对的 You could be right,
但要尽可能安排晚一些 -五点半 but schedule as late as possible. -Five-thirty.
同意你的预报 如果你错了 我就绞死你 Sign your forecast. If you're wrong, I'll hang you.
-告诉大家 五点半 -五点半 五点半！ -Tell 'em all. Five-thirty. -Five-thirty, five-thirty!
三年 四千人 二十亿美元 Three years, 4,000 people, two billion dollars.
如果没有爆炸 Well, if it doesn't go off,
我们就完犊子了 we're both finished.
我赌三千吨当量 I'm betting on three kilotons.
做不到这一点 他们就不会明白它是什么 Anything less, they won't get what it is.
费米所说的点燃大气层是什么意思？ Now, what did Fermi mean by, uh, atmospheric ignition?
嗯 有那么一阵子 我们以为连锁反应似乎 Well, we had a moment where it looked like the chain reaction
永远也不会停止 from an atomic device might never stop.
燃烧了整个大气层 Setting fire to the atmosphere.
为什么费米要拿这来赌？ Why's Fermi still taking side bets on it?
这叫黑色幽默 Call it gallows humor.
等等 你是说当我们按下那个按钮 Wait, are we saying there's a chance that when we push that button,
我们可能会毁灭整个世界？ we destroy the world?
我们三年来的研究都不支持这个结论 Nothing in our research over three years supports that conclusion,
可能性微乎其乎 except as the most remote possibility.
-有多小？ -可能性几乎为零 -How remote? -Chances are near-zero.
几乎为零？ Near-zero?
这是理论 你还想怎样？ What do you want from theory alone?
最好是零 Zero would be nice.
正好一小时…… In exactly one hour...
58分钟后 就见分晓了 and 58 minutes, we'll know.
转睛了 It's letting up.
武装部队已经撤离 他们朝这边来了 The arming party's left zero, they're heading this way.
打开开关 Throw on your switches.
掉头 准备紧急疏散 Turn the cars! Ready for emergency evacuation.
……拿上焊工玻璃 大家各就各位 ...welder's glass. Everybody take their places.
每个人拿一块焊工玻璃！ Everybody take a welder's glass!
20分钟 20 minutes.
20分钟！ 20 minutes!
还有20分钟！ That's 20!
请放腿上 On the leg, please.
-费曼？ -不 -Feynman? -No.
玻璃可以阻挡紫外线 The glass stops the UV.
那什么阻挡玻璃？ What stops the glass?
我要去大本营 I'm heading to base camp.
祝你好运 Best of luck.
罗伯特？ Robert?
尽量不要炸毁世界 Try not to blow up the world.
小心指针 如果雷管不充电 Watch that needle. If the detonators don't charge,
电压降到一伏以下 and the voltage drops below one volt,
你就按下那个按钮 中止行动 明白吗？ you hit that button, you abort. Understood?
明白 Understood.
距离爆炸还有2分钟 Two minutes to detonation.
所有人都趴下！ Everybody down!
在看到山上的反射光前 不要转身 Do not turn around until you see light reflected on the hills.
只能透过焊工玻璃看爆炸 Then look at the explosion only through your welder's glass.
距离爆炸还有90秒 90 seconds to detonation.
距离爆炸还有80秒 80 seconds to detonation.
抹够了吗？ Is it rubbed in?
够了 Yeah.
距离爆炸还有60秒 60 seconds to detonation.
等待才是最可怕的事情 These things are hard on your heart.
30秒 30 seconds.
雷管充电完毕！ Detonators charged!
17. 17.
16. 16.
15. 15.
14. 14.
13. 13.
12. 12.
11. 11.
十 Ten.
九 Nine.
八 Eight.
七 Seven.
六 Six.
五 Five.
四 Four.
三 Three.
二 Two.
一 One.
“现在我成了死神…… "And now I am become Death...
“世界的毁灭者” "the destroyer of worlds."
成功了 It worked.
你欠我十块钱！ You owe me ten dollars!
-快点！ -我……认赌服输 凯斯蒂 -Come on! -I... I'm good for it, Kisti.
你输了！ You are!
是的 你输了！ Yes, you are!
马上给我接波茨坦 Get me Potsdam right away.
给凯蒂带个口信 Get a message to Kitty.
-我们什么也不能说 -叫她把床单收起来 -We can't say anything. -Tell her to take in the sheets.
-喂？ -嗨 凯蒂？ -Hello? -Hi, Kitty?
什么? 什么? 夏洛特? 夏洛特 继续 继续 What? What? Charlotte? Charlotte, go ahead. Go ahead.
噢 嗯 好的 我不知道 Oh, um, well, I don't know,
他只是让你把床单收起来 he just said to tell you to bring in the sheets.
凯蒂？ Kitty?
凯蒂? 凯蒂 你还在吗？ Kitty? Kitty, are you still there?
如果引爆的位置太高 爆炸的威力就会减弱 If they detonate it too high in the air, the blast won't be as powerful.
恕我直言 奥本海默博士 接下来交给我们吧 With respect, Dr. Oppenheimer, we'll take it from here.
杜鲁门在波茨坦向斯大林通报了吗？ Did Truman brief Stalin at Potsdam?
说“通报”有点夸张 "Brief" would be an overstatement.
他提到了一种强大的新式武器 He referred to a powerful new weapon.
斯大林……希望我们用它来对付日本 Stalin... hoped we'd use it against Japan.
就这样？ That's it?
罗伯特 我们给了他们一张王牌 随他们玩 Robert, we've given them an ace. It's for them to play the hand.
你的目标是六号？ You're aiming for the sixth?
这取决于太平洋战区的指挥官 It's up to the CO in the Pacific.
我应该和你一起去华盛顿吗？ Should I come with you to Washington?
做什么？ What for?
有消息随时通知我 Well, you keep me informed.
当然 Of course.
尽我所能 As best I can.
如果日本人知道即将发生的事 他们会投降吗？ Would the Japanese surrender if they knew what was coming?
我不知道 I don't know.
你看过西拉德的请愿书吗？ Have you seen Szilard's petition?
西拉德怎么会了解日本人？ How the hell does Szilard know about the Japanese?
你不会签吧？ You're not signing it, are you?
很多人都签了 很多人 Many people have. A lot of people.
爱德华…… Edward...
我们造了这个炸弹并不能给我们比其他人更多的信息 the fact that we built this bomb does not give us any more,
更多的权利和责任 any more right or responsibility
来决定如何使用它 to decide how it's used than anyone else.
但我们是唯一知道这件事的人 But we're the only people who know about it.
我已经告诉史汀生 社区有各种意见 I've told Stimson the various opinions of the community.
但你的意见呢？ But what's your opinion?
一旦使用…… Once it's used...
也许 就是核战争…… nuclear war, perhaps...
所有战争…… all war...
变得难以想象 becomes unthinkable.
直到有人造出一个更大的炸弹 Until somebody builds a bigger one.
我以为他们会打电话来 I thought they would call.
今天才5号 It's only the fifth.
在日本 是6号了 In Japan, it's the sixth.
夏洛特？ Charlotte?
试试格罗夫斯 Try Groves.
没有吗？ Anything?
-夏洛特？ -杜鲁门在广播 -Charlotte? -Truman's on the radio.
16小时前 16 hours ago,
一架美国飞机 an American airplane
在广岛投下了一颗炸弹 dropped one bomb on Hiroshima,
彻底摧毁了敌人 and destroyed its usefulness to the enemy.
炸弹威力巨大 The bomb has more power
超过2万吨TNT炸药 than 20,000 tons of TNT.
这是一颗原子弹 It is an atomic bomb.
它是对宇宙基本力量的驾驭 It is a harnessing of the basic power of the universe.
格罗夫斯在一号线 Groves on one.
将军？ General?
我为你和你的团队感到骄傲 I'm very proud of you, and all of your people.
一切顺利吗？ It went alright?
当然 并且伴随着一声巨响 Apparently it went with a tremendous bang.
嗯 这里的每个人都对此感觉良好 Well, everyone here is feeling reasonably good about it.
这是一条漫长的道路 It's been a long road.
我觉得我做过最明智的事 I think one of the wisest things I ever did
就是选择你作洛斯阿拉莫斯的主管 was when I selected the director of Los Alamos.
我们已经花费了超过20亿美元 We have spent more than two billion dollars
历史上最伟大的科学赌博 on the greatest scientific gamble in history,
我们赢了 and we have won.
奥比! 奥比! 奥比！ Oppie! Oppie! Oppie!
全世界…… The world...
会永远记住这一天 will remember this day.
现在还太早…… It's too soon to...
现在下结论还为时过早 It's too soon to determine
爆炸的结果是什么 what the results of the bombing are.
但我打赌日本人肯定不喜欢 But I'll bet the Japanese didn't like it.
我很自豪 I'm so proud.
为你们的成就感到骄傲 So proud of what you have accomplished.
我只是希望我们能及时用它来对付德国人 I just wish we had it in time to use against the Germans.
奥本海默博士？ Dr. Oppenheimer?
照片很帅 Nice picture.
杜鲁门总统可以见你了 President Truman will see you now.
奥本海默博士 很荣幸见到你 Dr. Oppenheimer, it's an honor.
-总统先生 -请坐 -Mr. President. -Please.
谢谢 Thank you.
伯恩斯部长 Secretary Byrnes.
成为世界上最著名的人感觉如何？ How's it feel to be the most famous man in the world?
你帮助拯救了很多美国人的生命 You helped save a lot of American lives.
-我们在广岛所做的…… -还有长崎 -What we did at Hiroshima was... -And Nagasaki.
很明显 Obviously.
你的发明让我们把孩子们带回了家 Your invention let us bring our boys home.
这算不上……我的发明 Well, it was hardly... my invention.
登上《时代》杂志封面的人是你 It was you on the cover of Time.
吉姆告诉我你担心和苏联的军备竞赛 Jim tells me you're concerned about an arms race with the Soviets.
啊 对 啊…… Ah, yes, ah...
好吧 嗯…… Well, um...
现在是我们确保…… it's that, uh, now is our chance to secure...
和国际原子能合作的机会 international cooperation on atomic energy,
我很担心 and-and-and I'm concerned...
你知道苏联什么时候会拥有原子弹吗？ Do you know when the Soviets are gonna have the bomb?
我不认为我可以给…… I don't think I could give a...
绝不！ Never!
绝不 Never.
总统先生 俄国有优秀的物理学家 Mr. President, the Russians have good physicists,
还有丰富的资源…… -丰富？ and, and abundant resources... -Abundant?
是的 Yes.
我不这么认为 I don't think so.
嗯 他们会倾其所有…… Well, they'll put everything they have in...
我听说你要离开洛斯阿拉莫斯 I hear you're leaving Los Alamos.
我们该拿它怎么办？ What should we do with it?
还给印第安人 Give it back to the Indians.
奥本海默博士 Um, Dr. Oppenheimer...
如果你说的关于苏联的事是真的 if what you say about the Soviets is true,
我们就必须扩建洛斯阿拉莫斯 而不是关闭它 we have to build up Los Alamos, not shut it down.
总统先生…… Mr. President...
嗯…… Umm...
我觉得我的双手沾满了鲜血 I feel that I have blood on my hands.
你认为那些在广岛 或者…… You think anyone in Hiroshima, or...
长崎的人 关心是谁造的炸弹吗？ Nagasaki, gives a shit who built the bomb?
他们只在乎是谁扔的 They care who dropped it.
我干的 I did.
广岛不是你的问题 Hiroshima isn't about you.
奥本海默博士 Dr. Oppenheimer.
别让我再在这里看见那个爱哭鬼！ Don't let that crybaby back in here!
罗伯特发现 他的悲天悯人毫无结果 Robert saw that hand-wringing got him nowhere.
我遇见他的时候 他已经完全接受了 By the time I met him, he'd fully embraced
“原子弹之父”的名声 his "Father of the Bomb" reputation.
并利用他的公众形象影响政策 And used his profile to influence policy.
博士 战后这么多年来 Doctor, in the years following the war,
你是否认为你对美国的 would you say that you exerted a great influence
原子能政策影响深远？ on the atomic policies of the USA?
我觉得“深远”这个词有些夸张 I think "great" would be an overstatement.
真的吗? 我的意思是 看看同位素问题 Really? I mean, look at the issue of isotopes.
难道你没有亲自摧毁所有反对出口同位素的人吗？ Were you not personally responsible for destroying all opposition to their export?
……可以用一瓶啤酒 ...could use a bottle of beer
用来制造核武器 事实上 你做得到 in making atomic weapons. In fact, you do.
我是发言人 但科学家们的意见是一致的 I was the spokesman, but the opinion among scientists was unanimous.
一直以来 随着麦卡锡的崛起 他知道自己很脆弱 All along, with McCarthy on the rise, he knew he was vulnerable.
他弟弟被全国所有大学列入黑名单 His brother was blacklisted by every university in the country.
洛曼尼茨最后在铁路上工作 铺铁轨 Lomanitz wound up working the railroad, laying track.
薛瓦利埃流放国外 Chevalier went into exile.
但这些都没能阻止罗伯特 But none of that stopped Robert
推动政府咨询委员会建议进行军备控制 from pushing the GAC to recommend arms control,
而不是研发氢弹 instead of the H-Bomb.
当杜鲁门拒绝他们的建议时 他伤心欲绝 He was devastated when Truman rejected their recommendation.
我无法承受对理查德的思念 I miss Richard more than I can bear.
我知道 露丝 我知道 I know, Ruth. I know.
我很高兴他没有活着看到这一切变成什么样了 I'm just glad he didn't live to see where this has all gone.
小寿星来了 幸灾乐祸…… Here comes the birthday boy, to gloat...
玩得开心 Have fun.
罗伯特 小儿和他的未婚妻 Robert, my son and his fiancée
非常期待想见到原子弹之父 于是…… are desperate to meet the father of the atomic bomb, so...
你好 Hello.
我来的不是时候吗？ Is this a bad time?
你觉得呢 刘易斯？ What do you think, Lewis?
我想这对你一定是个打击 Well, I think it must have been a blow for you.
为了这个世界 For the world.
世界? 福克斯对世界其他地方意味着什么？ The world? What does Fuchs mean to the rest of the world?
福克斯？ Fuchs?
克劳斯·福克斯？ Klaus Fuchs?
噢 亲爱的 你还没听说 Oh dear. You haven't heard.
克劳斯·福克斯 英国科学家 Klaus Fuchs, the British scientist
你把他安排入洛斯阿拉莫斯的内爆小组 that you put onto the implosion team at Los Alamos.
其实他是…… Turns out he was...
他一直在为苏联从事间谍活动 He was spying for the Soviets the whole time.
对不起 I'm sorry.
福克斯的真相曝光后 After the truth about Fuchs came out,
联邦调查局加强了对他的监视 the FBI stepped up surveillance on him.
他知道他的电话被监听 He knew his phone was tapped.
他走到哪儿都被跟踪 He was followed everywhere.
他的垃圾被取走 His trash picked through.
但他从未停止说出自己的想法 But he never stopped speaking his mind.
一个有信念的人 A man of conviction.
也许他觉得名声可以保护他 And maybe he thought fame could actually protect him.
艾森豪威尔上任后 他看到机会来了 When Eisenhower took office, he saw one more chance.
他抓住时机 He took it.
美国和俄国可以比作…… America and Russia may be likened...
一只瓶子里的两只蝎子 to two scorpions in a bottle.
每个人都有能力杀死对方 Each capable of killing the other,
但都要以自己的生命为代价 but only at the risk of his own life.
现在 这项政策有很多方面…… Now, there are various aspects of this policy...
很多科学家都责怪我 但我该如何保护他呢？ A lot of scientists blame me, but how was I supposed to protect him?
……太过机密 无法讨论 ...are too secret for discussion.
坦诚是唯一的补救办法 Candor is the only remedy.
华盛顿官员需要开始对美国人民讲真话 Officials in Washington need to start leveling with the American people.
这是敌人压垮罗伯特的最后一根稻草 That was the last straw for Robert's enemies.
所以他不得不失去安全许可 So he had to lose his security clearance.
还有他的信誉 And with it, his credibility.
但他们怎么做到的呢？ But how could they do it?
他是一名战争英雄 He was a war hero.
他已经把自己的过去告诉了所有人 He'd already told everyone about his past.
博登把这些都挖出来了 Borden dredged it all up.
博登怎么可能拿到奥本海默的联邦调查局档案？ How could Borden get access to Oppenheimer's FBI file?
会不会是尼科尔斯？ Could it have been Nichols?
不 我无法想象他会这么做 No, I can't imagine he'd do that.
不管是谁干的都引发了一场大火 在白宫烧出了一条路 Whoever did unleashed a firestorm that burned a path in the White House,
一直烧到我原子能委员会的办公桌上 right to my desk at the AEC.
你在那里见过他们 对吧？ You seen 'em in there, right?
我花了一生的时间才到这里 I've worked my whole life to get here.
进入美国内阁 The cabinet of the United States of America,
现在 在全国人民面前 and now, in front of the entire country,
他们想把我打回原形 they want to put me back in my place.
一个卑微的鞋子销售员 A lowly shoe salesman.
刘易斯 我们能赢的 Lewis, we can win this thing.
我想我们可以让参议院明白 I think we can get the Senate to grasp
你尽了你的职责 虽然很痛苦 that you did your duty, painful though it was.
-现在 希尔的证词能支持我们吗？ -希尔会没事的 -Now, will Hill's testimony back us up? -Hill will be fine.
我不太认识他 但他是西拉德在芝加哥的信徒 I don't really know him, but he was one of Szilard's boys in Chicago.
他们永远不会原谅罗伯特 And they'd never forgave Robert for not
没有支持反对轰炸日本的请愿书 supporting the petition against bombing Japan.
这是爆炸发生31天后拍摄的 This was taken 31 days after the bombing.
事实上 方圆近一英里街道上的每个人 Virtually everyone in the streets, for nearly a mile around,
都迅速和彻底的…… was instantly and seriously...
被烧死 burned.
日本人后来把这些皮肤被烧成 The Japanese spoke of people who
一条条的条纹状的人，称之为穿条纹衣服的人 wore striped clothing, upon whom the skin was burned in stripes.
有很多人认为自己很幸运 There were many who thought themselves lucky,
他们从家园的废墟中爬出来 who climbed out of the ruins of their homes,
只是受了点轻伤 only slightly injured.
但他们还是死了 But they died anyway.
他们几天或几周后陆续死去 They died days, or weeks later,
死于在爆炸发生的一瞬间 from iridium-like rays emitted in great numbers
大量放射的类铱射线 at the moment of the explosion.
你读过报纸上的那些垃圾了吗？ Did you read this crap in the papers?
一位英国物理学家说 A British physicist is saying
原子弹爆炸不是第二次世界大战的最后一幕 the atomic bombings were not the last act of World War II,
而是与俄国冷战的第一幕 but the first act of this cold war with Russia.
哪位物理学家？ Which physicist?
我想你认识他 帕特里克·布莱克特 I think you knew him. Patrick Blackett.
他可能没错 史汀生最近告诉我 He may not be wrong. Stimson is now telling me
我们轰炸了一个基本上被打败的敌人 we bombed an enemy that was essentially defeated.
罗伯特 你现在拥有强大的影响力 Robert, you've all the influence now.
求你了 Please,
敦促他们让我继续研究氢弹 urge them to continue my research on the Super.
我不能也不愿意 爱德华 I neither can nor will, Edward.
为什么？ Why not?
这不是对我们资源的正确使用 It's not the right use of our resources.
你真的这么想吗？ Is that what you really believe?
J·罗伯特·奥本海默? 狮身人面像般的原子大师？ J. Robert Oppenheimer? Sphinx-like guru of the atom?
没有人知道你信仰什么 Nobody knows what you believe.
你自己知道吗？ 嗯？ Do you? Hmm?
最后 有请我们的项目主管罗伯特·奥本海默博士 One final time, our program director, Dr. J. Robert Oppenheimer.
我希望在未来的岁月里 I hope that in years to come,
当你回顾自己在这里的工作时 会感到自豪 you will look back on your work here with pride.
虽然今天 这种自豪感必然被一种深深的忧虑所笼罩 But today, that pride must be tempered with a profound concern.
如果要把原子武器加入交战世界的武器库中 If atomic weapons are to be added to the arsenals of a warring world,
那么总有一天人们会诅咒洛斯阿拉莫斯这个名字 then the day will come when people will curse the name of Los Alamos.
呃 抱歉 将军 Uh, sorry, Admiral.
中间出去拿来这个 Stopped off to get this.
看起来很有利 Seems pretty favorable.
那是奥本海默 标题是什么？ There's Oppenheimer. What's the caption?
呃 “J·罗伯特·奥本海默大战施特劳斯…… Uh, "J. Robert Oppenheimer. Strauss fought him...
“美国赢了” "and the US won."
这就行 That'll work.
这是你那天说的话 Those were your words from the other day.
我们需要转向 We needed to pivot.
但你怎么知道《时代》杂志会写什么？ But how would you know what Time Magazine was gonna write?
亨利·卢斯是我的朋友 Henry Luce is a friend.
你坐在这里 让我告诉你怎么做 You sat here and let me tell you how it's done,
但其实你一直操控全局 but you've been far ahead all along.
想在华盛顿生存 Survival in Washington.
就要知道如何把事情做好 It's about knowing how to get things done.
没错 Right.
你是怎么说博登的？ What was it you said about Borden?
借刀杀人 方为上策？ Why get caught holding the knife yourself?
我开始觉得博登是在帮你拿刀 I'm beginning to think Borden was holding the knife for you.
这要看影响力有多大 It's gonna come down to how much influence
博登能够对泰勒施加压力 Borden's been able to exert on Teller.
我说了什么好笑的话吗？ Did I say something funny?
尽是“博登 博登 博登” 而我们都知道是施特劳斯 Just "Borden, Borden, Borden", when we all know that it's Strauss.
刘易斯带我来的普林斯顿 凯蒂 Lewis brought me to Princeton, Kitty.
然后你在国会面前羞辱了他 And then you humiliated him in front of Congress.
但比三明治强！ But more useful than a sandwich!
我表现如何？ How'd I do?
似乎有点过了 罗伯特 Maybe a little too well, Robert.
那是六年前的事了 That was six years ago.
你知道 他们真的很记仇 像圣人一样有耐心 You know, they're truly vindictive, patient as saints.
施特劳斯已经非常清楚地表明他是中立的 Strauss has been perfectly clear that he is neutral.
醒醒吧! 是施特劳斯！ Wake up! It is Strauss!
一直都是施特劳斯 你知道的！ It's always been Strauss, and you know it!
你为什么不跟他战斗？ Why won't you fight him?
不是尼科尔斯也不是胡佛 也不是杜鲁门的人 It wasn't Nichols, or Hoover, or one of Truman's guys.
是你 It was you.
你把文件给了博登 You gave the file to Borden.
你让他去举报奥本海默 You set him on Oppenheimer.
-你说服了他 -博登 -You convinced him... -Borden...
不费吹灰之力 didn't take any convincing.
慢慢来 把整个文件都用上 Take your time, use the entire file.
写下你的结论 发给联邦调查局 Write up your conclusions, send them to the FBI.
材料显然很广泛 The material's obviously extensive,
但这里没什么新鲜的 but there's nothing new here.
新鲜的是你的结论 Your conclusions will be.
他们必须得给回复 And they'll have to be answered.
胡佛把它们交给了麦卡锡？ Hoover passes them to McCarthy?
对那个自吹自擂的小丑来说 奥本海默太狡猾了 Oppenheimer's too slippery for that self-promoting clown.
我跟胡佛谈过了 I've talked it over with Hoover.
他会牵制麦卡锡 而你去对付原子能委员会 He'll hold McCarthy at bay while you do this with the AEC.
-庭审？ -不 没有庭审 -Trial? -No, no trial.
你不能给奥本海默一个平台 You can't give Oppenheimer a platform.
绝不能让他成为烈士 You can't martyr him.
我们需要系统性地摧毁奥本海默的威信 We need a systematic destruction of Oppenheimer's credibility,
这样他就再也不能谈论国家安全问题了 so he can never again speak on matters of national security.
然后呢？ Then what?
一个破旧的小房间 远离聚光灯 A shabby little room. Far from the limelight.
一个简单的官僚程序 他的安全许可证就要续签了 A simple bureaucratic procedure. His Q clearance. It's up for renewal.
你向联邦调查局提出指控…… You send your accusations to the FBI...
胡佛把他们送到原子能委员会 你被迫采取行动 Hoover sends them to the AEC. You're forced to act.
你写一份起诉书 You write up an indictment.
你告诉奥本海默 他的安全许可不会延期 You tell Oppenheimer his security clearance is not being renewed.
但给他一个上诉的机会 But offer him the chance to appeal.
如你所见 罗伯特 还没有签字 As you can see, Robert, it's not yet signed.
-我可以保留这个吗？ -不行 -May I keep this? -No.
如果你决定上诉 他们会寄给你一份副本 If you do decide to appeal, they'll have to send you a copy.
当他上诉的时候 相信我 他会的 我会任命一个委员会 When he appeals, and trust me, he will, I appoint a board.
他们中当然会有律师 They will, of course, have counsel.
-检察官？ -除了名字 -Prosecutor? -In all but name.
-谁？ -罗杰·罗伯 -Who? -Roger Robb.
哎哟 Ouch.
罗伯将获得安全许可 查阅奥本海默的档案 Robb will have security clearance to examine Oppenheimer's file.
格雷委员会也可以 辩护律师则不行 As will the Gray Board. Defense counsel will not.
一次闭门听证会 A closed hearing.
你们在阅读我的起诉书中所谓的审讯信息时…… The so-called interrogatory information in your indictment of me...
没有观众 没有记者 没有举证责任 No audience, no reporters, no burden of proof.
没有举证责任？ No burden of proof?
我们不定罪 We're not convicting.
我们只是否认 We're just denying.
你说的是什么？ What is it you said?
这就是政治的游戏规则 This is just how the game is played.
好吧 原谅我的天真 Well, forgive my naivete.
业余者寻找阳光 被吞掉 Amateurs seek the sun, get eaten.
权力只发生在阴影中 Power stays in the shadows.
但是 先生 你……你现在已经走出阴影了 But, sir, you're... you're out of the shadows now.
是啊 所以我们一定要成功 Yeah, that's why this has to work.
好吧.. Well...
泰勒今天早上要出庭作证 Teller's testifying this morning.
那会有帮助的 然后…… That'll help. And then...
希尔在下午 Hill is in the afternoon.
希尔也会帮我们的 Hill is gonna help us too.
如你所见 罗伯特 还没有签字 As you can see, Robert, it's not yet signed.
我可以保留这个吗？ 不行 -May I keep this? -No.
如果你决定上诉 他们会寄给你一份副本 If you do decide to appeal, then they'll have to send you a copy.
你可以用我的车和司机 不必客气 Take my car and driver, I insist.
我得咨询我的律师 刘易斯 I'll have to consult my lawyers, Lewis.
当然 但别太久 Of course. But don't take too long.
我无法阻止尼科尔斯 I can't keep Nichols at bay.
抱歉事情变成这样 罗伯特 I'm sorry it's come to this, Robert.
我觉得这样不对 I think it's wrong.
尼科尔斯希望我反击 这样他就能把一切都记录下来 Nichols wants me to fight, so he can get it all on the record.
施特劳斯想让我离开 Strauss wants me to walk away.
施特劳斯知道你不会这么做 你一定会接受指控 Strauss knows that you can't do that. You'd be accepting the charges.
你会失去工作的 You'll lose your job.
你会失去你的名誉 我们会失去我们的房子 You will lose your reputation. We'll lose our house.
罗伯特 我们必须战斗 Robert, we have to fight.
作为原子能委员会的律师 我不能代表你 As AEC counsel, I can't represent you.
我会给劳埃德·加里森打电话 I'll call Lloyd Garrison.
噢 他很厉害 Oh, he's good.
最好的 但我得警告你 The best, but I have to warn you.
这不是一场公平的战斗 This won't be a fair fight.
1943年你与鲍里斯·帕什谈话时提到过缩微胶卷吗？ During your interview with Boris Pash in 1943, did you refer to microfilm?
-没有 -标签11 第一页 第三段 -No. -Tab 11, page one, paragraph three.
你从没说过“领事馆的人 微缩胶卷的专家”？ You never said, "man of the consulate, expert in the use of microfilm"?
-对不起 对不起…… -没有 -I'm sorry, I'm sorry... -No.
我想知道罗伯先生引用的是哪份文件, I would like to know what document Mr. Robb is quoting from,
是否可以向我们提供一份副本 and if we might be furnished with a copy.
该文件属于机密 加里森先生 The document is classified, Mr. Garrison.
我认为我们应该采用第一手资料 I think we should get back to firsthand information.
这就是第一手资料 This is firsthand.
怎么说 罗杰？ How so, Roger?
有一段谈话的录音 There was a recording of the interview.
你让我的委托人坐在这里 并有可能作伪证 You let my client sit here and potentially perjure himself,
一直以来 你都有录音？ and all this time, you had a recording?
没人让你的委托人歪曲他之前的答案 Nobody told your client to misrepresent his former answers.
歪曲? 那是12年前的事了！ Misrepresent? It was 12 years ago!
我们可以听一下这段录音吗？ Can we hear this recording?
你没有权限 加里森先生 You don't have the clearance, Mr. Garrison.
但你把它读到了记录里！ But you're reading it into the record!
拜托 拜托 这个诉讼程序是为了诱捕还是探寻真相？ Please, please. Is this proceeding interested in entrapment or in truth?
如果是真相 证据呢? 证人名单呢？ If it's truth, where's the disclosure? Where's the witness list?
加里森先生 如你所知 这不是审判 Mr. Garrison, this isn't a trial, as you are well aware.
证据规则不适用 我们在处理国家安全问题 Evidentiary rules do not apply. We are dealing with national security.
是的 长官 恕我直言, Yes, sir, with all due respect,
我不明白国家安全如何能阻止检方 I fail to see how national security prevents the prosecution from
给我们提供一份证人名单！ -也许我们确实需要 providing us with a list of witnesses! -Perhaps we are in need
暂时休庭 -先生们 我向你们保证 of a brief recess. -Gentlemen. You have my words.
如果你说它们来自抄本 那我就接受 If you say they're from a transcript, then I'll accept it.
我已经解释过了 我编了一个荒唐可笑的故事 I've already explained I made up a cock-and-bull story.
为什么会有人编造这么复杂的故事呢？ And why would anyone make up such an elaborate story?
因为我是个傻瓜 Because I was an idiot.
为什么要撒谎？ Why lie?
嗯 显然是为了不暴露中间人的身份 Well, clearly with the intention of not revealing who the intermediary was.
你的朋友 哈康·薛瓦利埃 是共产党员 Your friend, Haakon Chevalier, the communist.
他还是你的朋友吗？ Is he still your friend?
是的 Yes.
拉比 博士 谢谢你能来 Dr. Rabi, thank you for coming.
你知道控方还传唤了谁吗？ You know who else the prosecution has called?
显然是泰勒 他们问过劳伦斯了 Teller, obviously. They've asked Lawrence.
-他说什么？ -他不会帮他们的 -What did he say? -He wasn't going to help them,
但是…… -但是？ but... -But?
施特劳斯告诉他 你和露丝·托尔曼多年来一直有染 Strauss told him that you and Ruth Tolman had been having an affair for years.
你和他们一起住在帕萨迪纳的那段时间 The whole time you lived with them in Pasadena.
他让劳伦斯相信理查德死于伤心欲绝 He convinced Lawrence that Richard died of a broken heart.
-这太荒谬了 -哪部分？ -That's absurd. -What part?
伤心欲绝 理查德从未发现 A broken heart. Richard never found out.
劳伦斯会作证吗？ Is Lawrence gonna testify?
我不知道 I don't know.
拉比博士 你目前在政府担任什么职务？ Dr. Rabi, what governmental positions do you currently hold?
我是原子能委员会顾问委员会主席 I am the chairman of the general advisory committee
接替奥本海默博士 to the AEC, succeeding Dr. Oppenheimer.
你认识奥本海默博士多久了？ And how long have you known Dr. Oppenheimer?
从1928年开始 我……我很了解他 Since 1928. I... I know him quite well.
足以说明他的忠诚和品格了吗？ Well enough to speak to the bearing of his loyalty and character?
奥本海默博士是一个品格正直的人 Dr. Oppenheimer is a man of upstanding character.
他忠于美国 忠于他的朋友 And he is loyal to the United States, to his friends,
忠于他所属的机构 to the institutions of which he is part.
吃吧 Eat.
那是谁？ Who was that?
不用担心 Nothing to worry about.
俄国原子弹试验后 After the Russian A-bomb test,
劳伦斯博士来找你是为了谈氢弹的事吗？ did Dr. Lawrence come to see you about the hydrogen bomb?
你最好去问他 You'd be better off asking him.
嗯 我正打算这么做 Well, I fully intend to.
你是否认为奥本海默博士坚决反对氢弹？ Would you say that Dr. Oppenheimer was unalterably opposed to the H-bomb?
不 他 他认为核聚变项目 No, he, he thought that a fusion program
将以牺牲我们非常好的核裂变项目为代价 would come at the expense of our awfully good fission program.
但事实证明并非如此 But that proved not to be the case.
在这种情况下 两者都可以做到 In the event, both could be done.
假设委员会不满意 Suppose that this board did not feel satisfied
奥本海默博士在他的证词中是完全属实的 that in his testimony here Dr. Oppenheimer had been wholly truthful,
你认为是否应该给他颁发安全许可？ what would you say whether or not he should be cleared?
为什么要这样对待一个男人 Why go through all this against a man
一个像奥本海默博士那样取得巨大成就的人 who has accomplished what Dr. Oppenheimer has?
看看他的记录 Look at his record.
我们有一颗原子弹 和一系列的原子弹 We have an A-bomb, and a whole series of it.
我们还有一系列的氢弹 你还想要什么？ We have a whole series of super bombs. What more do you want?
美人鱼吗？ Mermaids?
但我认识施特劳斯部长很多年 But I've known Secretary Strauss for many years.
我觉得有必要肯定刘易斯 And I feel it a necessity to express the warm support
对科学和科学家的热情支持 for science and scientists Lewis has shown.
我们现在开始 We'll break now.
-除非有什么紧急事务 -参议员 我想再次请求 -Unless there's any immediate business. -Senator, I'd like to once again request
我们已经准备好了一份证人的名单 that we're furnished with a list of witnesses.
我会提醒被提名者 And I will remind the nominee
我们并不总是事先知道这些信息 that we don't always have that information in advance.
我们知道希尔博士午饭后会来 We do know that Dr. Hill will be here after lunch.
主席先生 下一位证人 劳伦斯博士 Mr. Chairman, our next scheduled witness, Dr. Lawrence,
患有结肠炎来不了 has apparently come down with colitis.
所以我们还是开始威廉·博登吧 So we'll proceed with William Borden instead.
博登先生 欢迎 请坐 Mr. Borden, welcome. Please take a seat.
博登先生 Mr. Borden,
在你调查奥本海默博士期间 during your investigation into Dr. Oppenheimer,
你得出什么结论了吗？ did you reach certain conclusions?
-有的 -你是否曾在信中 -I did. -And did there come a time
向联邦调查局的胡佛先生 when you expressed those conclusions in a letter to Mr. J. Edgar Hoover,
表达过这些结论 -没错 of the Federal Bureau of Investigation? -That is correct.
在写这封信之前 你是否与原子能委员会的人 Prior to the writing of the letter, did you discuss the writing of the letter
讨论过这封信的写法？ with anybody attached to the Atomic Energy Commission?
-没有 -很好 -I did not. -Excellent.
-你有那封信的复本吗？ -我面前有一份 -Do you have a copy of the letter? -I have one in front of me.
请您读一读 先生？ Would you please be so kind as to read it, sir?
“亲爱的胡佛先生 我写这封信的目的 "Dear Mr. Hoover, the purpose of this letter
-“是表达……” -对不起 对不起 如果我可以…… -"is to state..." -I'm sorry, I'm sorry, if I could have...
中断的目的是什么? 他只是要读这封信 What is the purpose of the delay? He's simply going to read the letter.
主席先生 这是我第一次看到这封信 Mr. Chairman, this is the first I've seen of this letter.
我看到这里至少有一份声明 And I see statements here, at least one,
我认为没有人愿意看到这种事情被记录在案 of a kind that I don't think anyone would like to see go into the record.
这些都是以前从未有过的指控 These are accusations that have not previously been made,
不在尼科拉斯的起诉书中 that are not part of the indictment from Nichols.
我觉得这种指控不该出现在这里 Accusations of a kind that I don't think belong here.
证人主动写了这封信 The witness wrote this letter on his own initiative,
列出已经摆在委员会面前的证据 laying out evidence that has already been before the board.
他的结论是有效的证词 His conclusions are valid testimony,
就像奥本海默博士的朋友得出的正面结论一样 just like the positive conclusions of friends of Dr. Oppenheimer.
这是双向的 It cuts both ways.
律师收到这封信多久了？ How long has counsel been in possession of this letter?
我不认为我应该被你交叉询问 加里森先生 I don't think I should be subject to cross-examination by you, Mr. Garrison.
加里森先生 鉴于我们委员会成员都读过这封信, Mr. Garrison, given that we on the board have all read the letter,
记录在案不是更好吗？ wouldn't it be better to have it in the record?
让我们继续 Let's proceed.
“亲爱的胡佛先生 "Dear Mr. Hoover,
“我写这封信的目的是表达我的观点 "the purpose of this letter is to state my opinion,
基于对现有机密证据的多年研究 "based upon years of study of the available classified evidence,
“很有可能 "that, more probably than not,
J·罗伯特·奥本海默是苏联特工 "J. Robert Oppenheimer is an agent of the Soviet Union.
下面的结论是合理的 "The following conclusions are justified.
第一 从1929年到1942年之间 很有可能 "One, between 1929 and 1942, more probably than not,
“J·罗伯特·奥本海默是一个死硬派共产主义者 "J. Robert Oppenheimer was a sufficiently hardened communist
他自愿向苏联提供情报 "that he volunteered information to the Soviets.
”第二 极有可能 "Two, more probably than not,
“从那以后 他就开始充当间谍 "he has since been functioning as an espionage agent.
“第三 "Three.
“更有可能的是 他此后一直按照苏联的指令行事 "More probably than not, he has since acted under a Soviet directive
”影响美国的军事政策” "in influencing United States military policy."
-对不起 罗伯特 -“原子能 情报和……” -I'm sorry, Robert. -"Atomic energy, intelligence and..."
难道没人能告诉这里发生的事情的真相 Is anyone ever going to tell the truth about what's happening here?
我们现在听取大卫·希尔博士的证词 We will now hear from Dr. David Hill.
希尔博士 你愿意发表声明吗？ Dr. Hill, would you care to make a statement?
谢谢 Thank you.
我被要求为刘易斯·施特劳斯作证 I've been asked to testify about Lewis Strauss,
一个在政府高层任职多年的人 a man who has given years of service in high positions of government,
他以认真、勤奋、聪明而著称 and who is known to be earnest, hard-working, and intelligent.
我要表达的是我自己的观点 The views I have to express are my own,
但我相信我所说的一切将有助于说明为什么 but I believe that much I have to say will help to indicate why
这个国家的大多数科学家更愿意看到施特劳斯先生 most of the scientists in this country would prefer to see Mr. Strauss
完全退出政府 completely out of government.
你指的是某些科学家的敌意 You're referring to the hostility of certain scientists,
指向施特劳斯先生 因为他致力于公共安全 directed toward Mr. Strauss, because of his commitment to security,
就像奥本海默事件所表明的那样？ as demonstrated in the Oppenheimer affair?
不 No.
是因为他对奥本海默博士的报复心理 Because of the personal vindictiveness he demonstrated against Dr. Oppenheimer.
肃静! 肃静！ Order! Order!
在这个国家的大多数科学家看来 It appears to most scientists around this country
罗伯特·奥本海默现在正在被嘲笑 that Robert Oppenheimer is now being pilloried,
因为他诚实地表达了自己的观点 所以经历了一场严峻的磨难 and put through an ordeal, because he expressed his honest opinions.
布什博士 我以为我是为国家服务 Dr. Bush, I thought I was performing a service to my country
当我听取这个案子时 -在这个国家 没有委员会 when hearing this case. -No board, in this country,
因为一个人表达了自己强烈的意见 所以应该对他进行审判 should sit in judgment of a man because he expressed his strong opinions.
如果你想审查那个案子 你们应该审查我 If you want to try that case, you should try me.
对不起 先生们 可能我……过于激动 Excuse me, gentlemen, if I've... become stirred.
但我是这么想的 But I am.
希尔博士 我们听说施特劳斯先生并没有提出指控 Dr. Hill, we've already heard that Mr. Strauss did not bring the charges,
或者参加对奥本海默博士的听证会 or participate in the hearings against Dr. Oppenheimer.
奥本海默事件是…… The Oppenheimer matter was...
主要由刘易斯·施特劳斯策划、发起并操纵的 initiated, and carried through, largely through the animus of Lewis Strauss.
奥本海默把施特劳斯推下了神坛 Oppenheimer made mincemeat out of Strauss's position
在向挪威出口同位素的问题上 on the shipments of isotopes to Norway,
施特劳斯永远不会原谅他的公众羞辱 and Strauss never forgave him this public humiliation.
他们之间的另一个争论围绕着他们在判断上的分歧 Another controversy between them centered around their differences in judgment
关于氢弹对国家安全的作用 on how the H-bomb would contribute to national security.
施特劳斯借口人员安全系统 以便 Strauss turned to the personnel security system in order to
破坏奥本海默的成就 destroy Oppenheimer's effectiveness,
施特劳斯找来了几个野心勃勃的人 and Strauss was able to find a few ambitious men
他们也不同意奥本海默的立场 并且嫉妒 who also disagreed with Oppenheimer's positions and envied him
他在政界的威望 his prestige in government circles.
我一直认为 而且现在仍然认为他忠于美国 I've always assumed, and still assume, that he is loyal to the United States.
我相信 我也会一直相信 I believe this, and I shall believe it,
除非我看到相反的确凿证据 until I see very conclusive proof to the opposite.
你是否相信奥本海默博士存在安全风险？ Do you or do you not believe that Dr. Oppenheimer is a security risk?
在很多情况下 我看到奥本海默博士的行为 In a great number of cases, I have seen Dr. Oppenheimer act in a way
对我来说 非常难以理解 which was, to me, exceedingly hard to understand.
我在许多问题上完全不同意他的观点 I thoroughly disagreed with him in numerous issues,
坦白地说 他的行为让我感到迷惑不解 and his actions frankly appeared to me confused and complicated.
从这个意义上讲 我希望看到这个国家的切身利益 To this extent, I feel I want to see the vital interests of this country
掌握在我更了解、更信任的人手中 in hands which I understand better, and therefore trust more.
-谢谢你 博士 -谢谢 -Thank you, Doctor. -Thank you.
对不起 I'm sorry.
你他妈的跟他握手了？ You shook his fucking hand!?
噢 我会朝他脸上吐口水 Oh, I would have spit in his face.
我不确定委员会是否喜欢这样 I'm not sure the Board would have appreciated that.
难道你还不够绅士吗？ Is it not gentlemanly enough for you?
好吧 我觉得你们都太他妈绅士了 Well, I think you're all being too goddamn gentlemanly.
格雷委员会一定知道罗伯在做什么 他们为什么不干脆把他关起来？ Gray must see what Robb is doing. Why doesn't he just shut him down?
还有你 居然和泰勒握手 And you, shaking Teller's hand.
你别再扮演烈士了 You need to stop playing the martyr.
根据原子能委员会目前的指导方针 你今天会给奥本海默博士颁发安全许可吗？ Under the current AEC guidelines, would you clear Dr. Oppenheimer today?
根据我对《原子能法案》的理解 Under my interpretation of the Atomic Energy Act,
我在1942年聘请奥本海默博士时 该法案还不存在 which did not exist when I hired Dr. Oppenheimer in 1942,
如果我是委员会成员 我今天不会给他颁发安全许可 I would not clear him today if I were on the commission.
很好 谢谢你 将军 就这样 Good. Thank you, General. That is all.
但我不认为我会颁给他们中任何一个人 But I don't think I'd clear any of those guys.
就这样 That's all.
奥本海默博士在选拔中不承担任何责任 Dr. Oppenheimer had no responsibility in the selection
包括克劳斯·福克斯的安全许可 对吧？ or the clearance of Klaus Fuchs, did he?
是 完全没有 No. None at all.
你今天并不想在离开时留给委员会一个印象 And you wouldn't want to leave this board with any suggestion today that
你在这里质疑他参与洛斯阿拉莫斯的行动期间 you're here questioning his basic loyalty to the United States
对美国的忠诚？ in the operation of Los Alamos?
绝对不是 我希望我没有让任何人产生误解 By no means. I hope I didn't lead anyone to believe otherwise for an instant.
谢谢你 将军 Thank you, General.
-好吧 我们不能让他们等太久 -她会来的 -Okay. We shouldn't keep them waiting. -She'll be here.
你真心希望她作证吗？ Do you even want her here?
只有傻瓜或青少年才会自以为 Only a fool or an adolescent presumes
知道别人的关系 而你两者都不是 劳埃德 to know someone else's relationship, and you're neither, Lloyd.
凯蒂和我都是成年人 Kitty and I are grown-ups.
我们一起走过风风雨雨 We've walked through fire together.
她会成功的 She'll do fine.
你对共产主义的看法是支持 反对 还是中立？ Would you describe your views on communism as pro, anti, neutral?
强烈反对 Very strongly against.
我和共产主义没有任何关系 自从…… I've had nothing to do with communism in, since...
自从1936年 自从…… since 1936. Since...
从我认识罗伯特之前 Since before I met Robert.
就这样 That's all.
记录显示奥本海默没有受到为格雷委员会工作的 The record demonstrates that Oppenheimer was not interrogated
公正无私的律师的审问 by impartial and disinterested counsel for the Gray Board.
他受到一位具有律师背景的检察官的审问 He was interrogated by a prosecutor who used
后者施展浑身解数 all the tricks of a rather ingenious legal background.
你现在是在指控格雷委员会允许起诉 You are charging now that the Gray Board permitted a prosecution.
如果我站在格雷委员会面前 If I were on the Gray Board,
我会抗议这种策略 I would have protested against the tactics
有人实际上担任了检察官的职务 of the man who served in fact as the prosecuting counsel.
一个不是委员会任命的人 A man appointed not by the Board,
而是刘易斯·施特劳斯任命的 but by Lewis Strauss.
这人是谁？ Who was this?
什么？ I'm sorry?
他是谁？ Who was this?
罗杰・罗伯 Roger Robb.
奥本海默夫人 Mrs. Oppenheimer.
你有共产党员证吗？ Did you have a Communist Party membership card?
我……我不确定 I'm... I'm not sure.
不确定？ Not sure?
嗯…… Well...
什么？ Well?
我是说 大概 要加入共产党 I mean, presumably, the act of joining the party
需要寄一些钱和收到一张卡片 对吗？ required sending some money and receiving a card, no?
对不起 Sorry.
是的 Yes.
只是 那都是很久以前的事了 罗伯先生 不是吗？ It's just, it was all so very long ago, Mr. Robb, wasn't it?
-说实话 -久到我都忘了 -Not really. -Long enough to have forgotten.
-你是把卡退了还是撕了？ -那张我已经忘记存在的卡？ -Did you return the card, or rip it up? -The card whose existence I've forgotten?
-你的共产党员证？ -一点印象也没有 -Your Communist Party membership card? -Haven't the slightest idea.
苏联共产主义和共产主义能区分开来吗？ Can a distinction be made between Soviet communism and communism?
嗯 当我还是党员的时候 Well, in the days when I was a member,
-我认为他们绝对是两回事 -哦？ -I thought they were definitely two things. -Oh?
我认为美国共产党 I thought that the Communist Party of the United States
关心我们的国内问题 当然我现在不再相信这一点 was concerned with our domestic problems. I now no longer believe this.
我相信整个事情联系在一起而且遍布全世界 I believe the whole thing's linked together and spread all over the world,
自从16年前我离开共产党 我就一直相信这一点 and I have believed this since I left the party 16 years ago.
-但…… -17年前 我错了 -But... -17 years ago. My mistake.
-但是你…… -对不起 18 -But you... -Sorry, 18.
18年前 18 years ago.
您是否知道您的丈夫早在1942年 Are you familiar with the fact your husband was making contributions
就一直支持西班牙内战？ to the Spanish Civil War as late as 1942?
我知道罗伯特有时会捐钱 I knew that Robert gave money from time to time.
你知道这些钱流入了共产党的渠道吗？ Did you know this money was going into Communist Party channels?
-你是说通过吗？ -什么？ -Don't you mean through? -Pardon?
我想你的意思是通过共产党的渠道 不是吗？ I think you mean through Communist Party channels, don't you?
-是的 -是的？ -Yes. -Yes?
-是的 -是的 -Yes. -Yes.
那么公平地说 这是否意味着直到1942年 Then would it be fair to say that this meant that by 1942,
你丈夫并没有断绝和共产党的任何关系？ your husband had not stopped having anything to do with the Communist Party?
你不必回答是或不是 你可以随心所欲地回答 You don't have to answer that yes or no, you can answer that any way you wish.
我知道 谢谢 这是你的问题 I know that, thank you. It's your question.
措辞不当 It's not properly phrased.
-你明白我的意思吗？ -我明白 -Do you understand what I'm getting at? -I do.
-那你为什么不正面回答呢？ -因为我不喜欢你的用词 -Then why don't you answer it that way? -Because I don't like your phrase,
“和共产党的任何关系” "having anything to do with the Communist Party,"
因为罗伯特和共产党没有任何关系 because Robert never had anything to do with the Communist Party as such.
我知道他给西班牙难民捐钱 I know he gave money to Spanish refugees.
我知道他对共产主义思想感兴趣 I know he took an intellectual interest in communist ideas.
有两种共产主义者吗？ Are there two types of communists?
知识分子共产主义者 还有你们这些普通的老共产主义者？ Intellectual communists, and your plain old regular commie?
这个我回答不上 Well, I couldn't answer that one.
我也不能 I couldn't either.
晚上好 Good evening.
罗伯特 你赢不了的 Robert, you can't win this thing.
这是一个预先设定好结果的袋鼠法庭 It's a kangaroo court with a predetermined outcome.
为什么要让自己经历这么多？ Why put yourself through more of it?
我有我的理由 I have my reasons.
好吧 Alright.
晚安 Good night.
他说的有道理 He has a point.
-我不确定你是否明白 阿尔伯特 -不？ -I'm not sure you understand, Albert. -No?
我离开了我的国家 再也没有回去 I left my country, never to return.
你为国家贡献那么大 You served your country well.
如果这就是她给你的奖励 那么…… If this is the reward she offers you, then...
也许你应该背弃她 perhaps you should turn your back on her.
该死的是我偏偏爱着这个国家 Damn it, I happen to love this country.
那就让他们见鬼去吧 Then tell them to go to hell.
有趣的是 这不再是一个确认听证会 Interestingly enough, this is no longer a confirmation hearing.
现在是一场…… It's now a trial...
关于审判的审判！ about a trial!
看在上帝份上！ For god's sakes!
他告诉所有人是你发起的听证会可不是什么好事 It's not good he's telling everyone you initiated the hearings.
他什么玩意也证明不了 He can't prove a goddamn thing.
他当然无法证明我把文件交给了博登 He certainly can't prove that I gave the file to Borden.
我们不是在法庭上 先生 没有举证责任 We're not in court, sir. There's no burden of proof.
对 他们没有定罪 Right, they're not convicting.
他们只是在否认 They're just denying.
希尔为什么要来这里拆我台 他有什么目的？ Why would Hill come here to tear me down? What's his angle?
人们做正确的事需要理由吗？ Do people need a reason to do the right thing?
-正如他所看到的 -我告诉过你 -As he sees it. -I told you.
奥本海默一直在蛊惑科学家反对我 Oppenheimer's been poisoning the scientists against me
从第一次见面开始 right from that first meeting.
我不知道奥本海默那天对他说了什么 I don't know what Oppenheimer said to him that day,
搞得爱因斯坦甚至都不愿意正眼瞧我 but Einstein wouldn't even meet my eye.
奥本海默知道如何操纵自己的所有 Oppenheimer knows how to manipulate his own.
在洛斯阿拉莫斯 At Los Alamos,
他利用了天真的科学家 he preyed on the naivete of scientists
他们认为他们对我们如何使用他们的发明创造拥有发言权 who thought they get a say in how we use their work.
他们永远不会意识到自己有多么天真 They'll never think he was that naive himself.
博士 你在研发氢弹的过程中 Doctor, during your work on the hydrogen bomb,
有没有……因为道德上的怀疑而退缩？ were you... deterred by any moral qualms?
有的 当然 Yes, of course.
但你仍然继续你的工作 不是吗？ But you still got on with your work, didn't you?
是的 因为这是一项探索性的工作 Yes, because this was work of exploration,
不是为了研发武器 it was not the preparation of a weapon.
你是说这更像是一次学术探险？ You mean it was more of an academic excursion?
不 能否制造出氢弹 这不是一个学术问题 No, it is not an academic thing, whether you can build a hydrogen bomb.
而是生死问题 It's a matter of life and death.
到了1942年 你积极推动 By 1942, you were actively pushing the development
氢弹的研发 对吧？ of the hydrogen bomb, weren't you?
“推动”这个词不太恰当 Pushing is not the right word.
支持并致力于此 是的 Supporting it and working on it, yes.
那么 什么时候这些道德焦虑变得如此强烈 So when did these moral qualms become so strong
令你积极反对发展氢弹？ that you actively opposed the development of the hydrogen bomb?
当有人建议这是美国的国策时 When it was suggested that it be the policy of the United States
不惜一切代价制造这些东西 to make these things at all costs,
无视这些武器之间的平衡 without regard to the balance between these weapons
把原子武器作为我们军火库的一部分 and atomic weapons as part of our arsenal.
这跟道德焦虑有什么关系？ What do moral qualms have to do with that?
-这跟道德焦虑有什么关系？ -是的 -What do moral qualms have to do with it? -Yes.
奥本海默想拥有原子弹 Oppenheimer wanted to own the atomic bomb.
他想成为那个撬动地球的人 He wanted to be The Man Who Moved the Earth.
他说要把核魔鬼放回瓶子里 He talks about putting the nuclear genie back in the bottle.
好吧 我来告诉你 我知道 Well, I'm here to tell you that I know,
J·罗伯特·奥本海默 如果他能重新来过 他还是会这么做 J. Robert Oppenheimer, if he could do it all over, he'd do it all the same.
你知道他从来没有说过他对广岛事件感到后悔吗？ You know he's never once said that he regrets Hiroshima?
他会再做一遍 为什么？ He'd do it all over. Why?
因为这让他成为有史以来最重要的人 Because it made him the most important man who ever lived.
我们自由地使用原子弹 We freely used the atomic bomb.
事实上 博士 你协助选择了目标 In fact, Doctor, you assisted in selecting the target
向日本投下原子弹 不是吗？ to drop the atomic bomb on Japan, didn't you?
- 是的…… - 那么 你说 你不知道 -Yes... -Well then, you knew, did you not,
把原子弹投向你选定的目标 that by dropping that atomic bomb on the target you selected,
成千上万的平民会被杀害或受伤 对吗？ that thousands of civilians would be killed or injured. Is that correct?
是的 没想到那么多 Yes, not as many as turned out.
噢 那么有多少人死伤呢？ Oh. Then how many were killed or injured?
-7万 -7万 广岛和…… -70,000. -70,000, both Hiroshima and...
-两者合计11万 -在两颗核弹爆炸当天？ -110,000 to both. -On the day of each bombing?
-是的 -是的 -Yes. -Yes.
接下来的几周和几年呢？ And in the weeks and years that followed?
估计在5万到10万之间 It has been put at somewhere between 50,000 and 100,000.
至少有22万人死亡 220,000 dead, at least.
-是的 -对此有道德上的怀疑吗？ -Yes. -Any moral scruples about that?
糟糕透顶 Terrible ones.
但是你在这里作证说广岛原子弹爆炸非常成功 But yet you testified in here that the bombing of Hiroshima was very successful.
-技术上是成功的 -噢 技术上来说非常成功 -Technically successful. -Oh! Technically it was very successful.
而且据说它还加快了战争的结束 And it is also alleged to have helped to end the war.
你会支持在广岛投下氢弹吗？ Would you have been supportive of the dropping of a hydrogen bomb on Hiroshima?
这根本说不通 That would make no sense at all.
-为什么？ -目标太小 -Why? -The target is too small.
好吧 假设在日本有个目标 Well, supposing there had been a target in Japan
大到足以需要动用热核武器 big enough for a thermonuclear weapon,
你会反对投下氢弹吗？ would you have been opposed to the dropping of it?
我从来没遇上这样的问题 This was not a problem with which I was confronted.
好吧 我现在就来和你对质 先生 Well, I'm confronting you with it now, sir.
这都是他计划的一部分 It was all part of his plan.
他想要的是自大狂那种光荣而虚伪的罪恶感 He wanted the glorious, insincere guilt of the self-important
戴着他妈的皇冠然后说 to wear like a fucking crown and say,
“不 我们不能走这条路” 即使他知道我们必须这么做 "No, we cannot go down this road," even as he knew we'd have to.
你会出于道德上的顾虑 Would you have been opposed to the dropping of a thermonuclear weapon
而反对投下氢弹吗？ -是的 我相信我会的 先生 on Japan because of moral scruples? -Yes, I believe I would, sir.
你是否反对在广岛投下原子弹 Did you oppose the dropping of an atomic bomb on Hiroshima
因为道德上的顾虑？ because of moral scruples?
-我们开始…… -不 你 你 你 你！ -We set forth our... -No, you, you, you, you!
我在问你…… 我设了…… -I'm asking you... -I set...
-你 你 你！ -我陈述了我们的观点 -You, you, you! -I set forth our arguments
反对投下 但我没有赞成 against dropping it, but I did not endorse them.
你是说在日以继夜地制造了三年的炸弹之后 You mean after working night and day for three years building the bomb,
你竟然反对使用它？ you then argued against the use of it?
战争部长问我 科学家的观点是什么 I was asked by the Secretary of War what the views of scientists were.
我给了他们反对和赞成的意见 I gave them the views against and the views for.
你支持投下原子弹 You supported the dropping of the atom bomb
在日本 不是吗？ -你什么意思…… on Japan, didn't you? -What do you mean...
-你支持它…… -支持？你什么意思 -You supported it... -What do you mean, support?
你帮助选择了目标 不是吗？ Well, you helped pick the target, didn't you?
我做了我的工作 我在洛斯阿拉莫斯不是做决策的 I did my job. I was not in a policy-making position at Los Alamos.
要我做什么我都会去做 I would have done anything I was asked to do.
那么 你也会制造氢弹 不是吗？ Well, then, you would have built the H-bomb too, wouldn't you?
-但是我不能…… -我没问你这个 博士！ -But I couldn't... -I didn't ask you that, Doctor!
你在苏联核试验后参与撰写的总结评审报告中说: And the GAC report, which you co-authored after the Soviet atomic test said:
“氢弹永远不应该制造出来!” "A super bomb should never be built!"
我们的意思是 我的意思是…… What we meant, what I meant...
-什么 你 谁？ -看 我的意思是…… -What you, who? -Look, what I meant...
谁？ Who?
那么 俄罗斯人难道不会为增强实力而不择手段吗？ Well, wouldn't the Russians do anything to increase their strength?
如果我们这么做了 他们也必须这么做！ If we did it, they would have to do it!
我们的努力只会助长他们的努力, Our efforts would only fuel their efforts,
就像原子弹一样！ just as it had with the atomic bomb!
就像原子弹一样！说得好 Just as it had with the atomic bomb, exactly!
1945年没有道德顾忌 1949年却顾忌重重 No moral scruples in 1945, plenty in 1949.
奥本海默博士…… Dr. Oppenheimer...
你什么时候对氢弹产生强烈的道德信念的？ when did your strong moral convictions develop with respect to the hydrogen bomb?
当我逐渐明白 When it became clear to me
我们会倾向于使用任何我们拥有的武器 that we would tend to use any weapon we had.
J·罗伯特·奥本海默 我给了他想要的 J. Robert Oppenheimer the martyr, I gave him exactly what he wanted.
因为“三位一体”而名垂青史 To be remembered for Trinity,
不是广岛！ not Hiroshima!
不是长崎！ Not Nagasaki!
他应该感谢我 He should be thanking me.
可 他没有 Well, he's not.
我们还有足够的票吗？ Do we still have enough votes?
还是说我职业生涯的巅峰时刻 Or is the crowning moment of my career
即将成为我一生中最公开的羞辱？ about to become the most public humiliation of my life?
全体参议员要投票了 Full Senate's about to vote.
你会顺利过关的 You'll scrape through.
太棒了 那就召集该死的媒体 Great, then gather the fucking press.
罗伯特·奥本海默博士 本委员会 Dr. J. Robert Oppenheimer, this board,
听取了你的证词 having heard testimony from you
以及你的许多现任和前任同事的证据 and many of your current and former colleagues,
我们一致得出结论 你是一个忠诚的公民 has come to the unanimous conclusion that you are a loyal citizen.
但是…… However...
鉴于你们一直有联系 In the light of your continuing associations,
无视这个国家的安全机构 and disregard for the security apparatus of this country,
再加上你在氢弹项目上 together with your somewhat disturbing conduct
令人不安的行为 on the hydrogen bomb program,
以及你对委员会的某些回答 and the regrettable lack of candor
令人遗憾的缺乏坦诚 in certain of your responses to this board,
我们以二比一的投票结果 we have voted, two-to-one,
拒绝延长你的安全许可 to deny the renewal of your security clearance.
一份完整的意见书 包括埃文斯先生的异议 A full written opinion, with a dissent from Mr. Evans,
会在未来几天内递交原子能委员会 will be issued to the AEC in the coming days.
就这样 That is all.
罗伯特 Robert.
别…… Don't...
别把床单收起来 Don't take in the sheets.
两分钟 两分钟！ Two minutes. Two minutes!
会有时间拍照！ You'll get your shot!
结果出来了吗？ Is it official?
嗯 有几个出乎意料的反对者 Well, there were a couple of unexpected holdouts.
我被否决了 是吗？ I'm denied. Yeah?
-恐怕是这样 先生 -好吧 -I'm afraid so, sir. -Alright.
谁不肯合作？ Who were the holdouts?
呃 有三个人 Um, there were three.
由马萨诸塞州的资深参议员领导 Led by the junior senator from Massachusetts.
一个初出茅庐的年轻人 Young guy trying to make a name for himself,
不喜欢你对奥本海默做的事 didn't like what you did to Oppenheimer.
他叫什么名字？ What's his name?
呃 肯尼迪 Uh, Kennedy.
约翰·F·肯尼迪 John F. Kennedy.
凯蒂？ Kitty?
你是不是以为 如果你让他们给你涂上柏油和羽毛 Did you think that if you let them tar and feather you,
那么全世界将会原谅你？ then the world would forgive you?
不会的 It won't.
再说吧 We'll see.
你说过我会没事的 You told me I'd be okay.
是的 好吧 我没有掌握所有的事实 不是吗？ Yeah, well, I didn't have all the facts, did I?
事实是 Here's a fact.
去年艾森豪威尔总统把自由勋章别在我胸前 President Eisenhower pinned the Medal of Freedom on my chest last year,
因为我一直在为这个国家做正确的事 because I've always done what's right for this country.
他们不想让我进内阁? 嗯 没……没关系 They don't want me in the cabinet room? Well, that's... that's fine.
也许他们应该邀请奥本海默 Maybe they should just invite Oppenheimer instead.
也许他们会的 Maybe they will.
我告诉过你 他让科学家们反对我 I told you. He turned the scientists against me,
一个接一个 从爱因斯坦开始 one by one, starting with Einstein.
我跟你说过的 爱因斯坦 爱因斯坦在池塘边 I told you about that. Einstein. Einstein by the pond.
是的 但是你知道 先生 因为没有人…… You did, but you know, sir, since nobody...
真的知道他们那天互相说了什么 really knows what they said to each other that day,
有没有可能他们根本没谈论过你？ is it possible they didn't talk about you at all?
有没有可能他们谈到了什么 呃…… Is it possible they spoke about something, uh...
更重要的？ more important?
谢谢 Thank you.
阿尔伯特 Albert.
风云人物 The man of the moment.
你曾经在伯克利为我举办过一场招待会 You once held a reception for me in Berkeley.
-你颁给我一个奖 记得吗？ -记得 -You gave me an award, hmm? -Yes.
你们都以为我已经无法理解自己开创的学科 You all thought that I had lost the ability to understand what I'd started.
所以…… So...
那个奖不是给我的 是给你们的对不对 The award really wasn't for me, it was for all of you, hmm?
现在轮到你了 Now it's your turn
你不得不面对你的成就引发的后果 to deal with the consequences of your achievement.
等哪天 他们觉得你的惩罚够了 And one day, when they've punished you enough,
他们就会为你送上鲑鱼和土豆沙拉 they'll serve you salmon and potato salad.
让你发表演讲 Make speeches.
给你一枚勋章 Give you a medal.
你好 弗兰克 Hello, Frank.
你开心 我就开心 You're happy, I'm happy.
拍拍你的背 告诉你一切已经既往不咎 Pat you on the back, tell you all is forgiven.
记住了…… Just remember...
他们那样做不是为了你 it won't be for you.
而是为了他们自己 It'll be for them.
阿尔伯特…… Albert...
当我带着计算结果来找你时 when I came to you with those calculations,
我们认为我们可能会引发链式反应 we thought we might start a chain reaction
从而毀灭整个世界 that would destroy the entire world.
我记得很清楚 那又怎样？ I remember it well. What of it?
我们毁灭了世界 I believe we did.