MOST GRATEFUL YOU SPEND THE
EVENING WITH US.
GOOD NIGHT FROM W WASHINGTON.
♪ ♪
Tucker: GOOD EVENING AND
WELCOME TO "TUCKER CARLSON
TONIGHT."
WHITE HOUSE SENIOR POLICY
ADVISOR STEPHEN MILLER IS ON THE
SET TONIGHT.
HE WAS AT CAMP DAVID OVER THE
WEEKEND AS THE PRESIDENT AND
SEVERAL TOP CONGRESSIONAL
REPUBLICANS HASHED OUT THEIR
PRIORITIES ON IMMIGRATION AND
WELFARE REFORM.
MILLER THEN APPEARED ON CNN
YESTERDAY TO DISCUSS ALL OF
THIS, BUT THE CONVERSATION
QUICKLY WENT OFF THE RAILS OVER
MICHAEL WOLFF'S NEW BOOK.
CNN PULLED THE PLUG ON THE
INTERVIEW.
THE REASON WHY I WANT TO TALK
ABOUT THE PRESIDENT'S EXPERIENCE
IS WHAT I'VE SEEN WITH HIM
TRAVELING TO MEET THOUSANDS OF
FOREIGN LEADERS WITH HIS S
INCREDIBLE WORK.
YOU ARE NOT ANSWERING THE
QUESTION.
YOU HAVE 24 HOURS A DAY OF
ANTI-TRUMP MATERIAL.
YOU WILL NOT GIVE 3 MINUTES --
I GET IT.
THERE'S ONE VIEWER THAT YOU CARE
ABOUT RIGHT NOW AND YOU'RE BEING
OBSEQUIOUS, BEING A FACTOTUM IN
ORDER TO PLEASE HIM.
I THINK I'VE WASTED ENOUGH OF MY
VIEWERS' TIME.
THANK YOU.
AS REPUBLICAN LAWMAKERS CALL FOR
JEFF SESSIONS TO RESIGN --
Tucker: THAT GOT PRETTY
INTENSE AND IT CONTINUED DURING
THE COMMERCIAL BREAK.
WE KNOW THAT BECAUSE SOMEONE IN
CNN LEAKED A TRANSCRIPT OF
MILLER'S POST-INTERVIEW REMARKS.
THEY WERE APPARENTLY ON TAPE,
ALL DONE IN AN EFFORT TO
EMBARRASS HIM.
STEPHEN MILLER JOINS US TONIGHT.
THANKS A LOT FOR COMING ON.
THANK YOU FOR HAVINGOI ME.
Tucker: CNN CALLED AROUND
TO NEWS ORGANIZATIONS AND SAID
YOU WERE ESCORTED OFF THE SET BY
SECURITY.
PRESUMABLY YOU ARE NOT A
PHYSICAL FIGHT, YOU ARE NOT
ARMED.
MY QUESTION IS, THEY THOUGHT YOU
WERE A THREAT.
DO YOU THINK IF YOU HAVE BEEN, I
DON'T KNOW, A MEMBER OF MS-13
HERE ILLEGALLY, THAT CNN WOULD
HAVE HAD SECURITY PULL YOU OFF
THE SET?
I WOULD ASSUME IF I WERE A
MEMBER OF MS-13 HERE ILLEGALLY,
THEY WOULD BE CLAMORING
TO GET ME INTO THE VOTING BOOTH.KE
I THINK THAT LIKE MANY THINGS
CNN SAYS, THE STORY HAS THE MOST
IMPORTANT VIRTUE OF ALL CNN
STORIES OF BEING NOT TRUE.
Tucker: HERE'S WHAT WE KNOW
IS TRUE, WHAT IS STRIKING TO ME
ABOUT THE WHOLE THING. W
THERE WAS A VIDEO APPARENTLY
TAKEN WITHOUT YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF
YOU ON THE SET AFTER THE SEGMENT
ENDED DURING THE COMMERCIAL
BREAK, AND SOMEONE APPARENTLY
FROM CNN, I DON'T KNOW WHO ELSE
WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO IT, LEAKED
THAT TO OTHER NEWS
ORGANIZATIONS.
WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT?
IT'S JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF
CNN'S VERY LOW JOURNALISTIC
STANDARDS.
I WAS GLAD TO HAVE PEOPLE HERE
WHAT I SAID ON CAMERA AND OFF
CAMERA.
CNN HAS BEEN EXTRAORDINARILY
BIASED, EXTRAORDINARILY UNFAIR
TO THE PRESIDENT, AND IS NOT
GIVING THEIR VIEWERS HONEST
INFORMATION.
Tucker: SO YOU WANTED TO
TALK ABOUT IMMIGRATION..
THE DACA DEBATE IS OBVIOUSLY THE
FOCUS OF A LOT OF ENERGY IN THE
CONGRESS RIGHT NOW.
THE PRIORITIES FOR THE
ADMINISTRATION YOU HAVE SAID
ARE ENDING CHAIN MIGRATION,
FINANCING A BORDER WALL, AND
ENDING THE DIVERSITY LOTTERY.
OF THOSE THREE, WHAT WOULD YOU
SAY IS THE MOST IMPORTANT
PRIORITY FROM YOUR POINT OFTY
VIEW?
LOOK, WE NEED THEM ALL
BECAUSE THE REALITY IS THATT
ANYTHING YOU DO ON DACA WILL
HAVE PREDICTABLE CONSEQUENCES.
YOU WILL HAVE AN INCREASE IN
ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION SO YOU WILL
NEED TO HAVE A WALL.
YOU ARE ALSO GOING TO HAVE AN
INCREASE IN THE OVERALL
NUMBER OF PEOPLE COMING INTO THE
COUNTRY AND HAVE TO DEAL WITH
CHAIN MIGRATION.
AND DEAL WITH THE VISA LOTTERY.
THESE ARE CRUCIAL REFORMS TO
MAKE THE SYSTEM WORK FOR
AMERICA.
DONALD TRUMP HAS A VERY RADICAL
IDEA AND THAT IS WHEN WE MAKE
CHANGES TO THE IMMIGRATION LAWS,
THE GROUP WE SHOULD BE MOST
CONCERNED ABOUT IS EVERYDAY
HARDWORKING AMERICANS, THE
CITIZENS WHO MAKE THIS HARD ON
MY COUNTRY RUN.
WHO PAY THEIR TAXES, SHOW UP AND
VOTE.
THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LOYAL TO THIS
COUNTRY AND DONALD TRUMP IS
SAYING OUR COUNTRY SHOULD BE
LOYAL TO THEM IN RETURN.
Tucker: DEMOCRATS ARGUE
BACK THAT ENDING CHAIN MIGRATION
AND ENDING THE DIVERSITY LOTTERY
WOULD PREVENT A LOT OF PEOPLE -- T
DECENT PEOPLE -- FROM COMING
INTO THE COUNTRY.
WHAT IS THEIR ARGUMENT AGAINST
FINANCING THE BORDER WALL?
WHY DO YOU THINK THEY OPPOSE
THAT?
AS YOU KNOW, THEY ALL VOTED
FOR A BORDER BARRIER, A HARD
PHYSICAL BORDER BARRIER BACK IN
2006.
THE SECURE FENCE ACT.
JOE BIDEN VOTED FOR IT,
BARACK OBAMA VOTED FOR IT.
HILLARY CLINTON VOTED FOR,
ET CETERA.
A NEW POSITION THEY APPARENTLY
HAVE THAT THEY ARE OPPOSED TO
ANY FORM --
Tucker: WHAT ANIMATED IT?
WHY IS THAT AN ABSOLUTE STICKING
POINT FOR DEMOCRATS?
A BUNCH OF THEM HAVE SAID,
INCLUDING IN LEADERSHIP, WE ARE
NOT SUPPORTING ANYTHING THAT
INCLUDES FINANCING THE BORDER
WALL, WHY?
IF DEMOCRATS OPPOSE A BORDER
WALL, THEY ARE JUST SAYING THEY
WANT CONTINUED UNENDING ILLEGAL
IMMIGRATION.
LET ME DEAL WITH YOUR OTHER
QUESTION, TOO.
YOU TALK ABOUT CHAIN MIGRATION
KEEPING GOOD PEOPLE OUT.
THERE ARE SEVEN BILLION PEOPLE
IN THE WORLD.
MOST OF THEM ARE GOOD,
HARDWORKING, DECENT, HONEST,
PRINCIPLED PEOPLE.E.
THE REALITY IS THERE'S A LIMIT
TO NUMBER OF PEOPLE THEY CAN
BRING IN.
WE HAVE A RIGHT TO SAY WE WANT
TO BRING PEOPLE IN BASED ON
THEIR ABILITY TO CONTRIBUTE TO
THE ECONOMY, TO BE SAFE,
PRODUCTIVE CITIZENS, AND TO
UPLIFT THE
NATION AS A WHOLE.
YOU THINK ABOUT OUR CURRENT
SYSTEM OF CHAIN MIGRATION.
OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS WE'VE
ADMITTED ABOUT 10 MILLION PEOPLE
THROUGH OUR CHAIN MIGRATION
SYSTEM.
TO UNDERSTAND HOW MANY PEOPLE
THAT IS, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
EVERY HOUR THAT'S ABOUT THE SIZE
OF A HIGH SCHOOL AUDITORIUM.
EVERY DAY IT'S THE SIZE OF A
LARGE HIGH SCHOOL.
EVERY WEEK A SMALL CITY.
EVERY MONTH, A MEDIUM TO
AVERAGE SIZE CITY.
EVERY YEAR, A VERY LARGE CITY, A
CITY THE SIZE OF
WASHINGTON, D.C., OROR
SAN FRANCISCO.
EVERY SINGLE YEAR JUST THERE
CHAIN MIGRATION.
WHAT IS THE EFFECTIVE OUT ON
TAXPAYERS?
WHAT IS THE EFFECT ON WAGE
EARNERS?
Tucker: AND THAT'S LEGAL.
THAT'S JUST FOLKS COMING IN
ON GREEN CARDS THROUGH CHAIN
MIGRATION.
Tucker: I ALWAYS ASK THIS
QUESTION OF PROPONENTS OF
IMMIGRATION, INCLUDING OF
ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.
WHAT IS THE IDEAL NUMBER OF
IMMIGRANTS, PEOPLE FROM OTHER
COUNTRIES, MOVING HERE EVERY
YEAR?
OFTENTIMES THEY WON'T HAVE AN
ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.
Tucker: WHAT'S YOUR ANSWER?
I HAVE MY OWN VIEWS ON IT,
BUT I THINK THE IMPORTANT POINT
IS ENDING CHAIN MIGRATION THAT
THE PRESIDENT HAS CALLED FOR IS
NECESSARY, NOT JUST FOR ECONOMIC
SECURITY, BUT FOR NATIONAL
SECURITY.
YOU SAW THE RECENT ATTEMPTED
TERRORIST ATTACK IN NEW YORK.
THE INDIVIDUAL WHO CAME HERE WAS
BROUGHT TO THE CHAIN MIGRATION
SYSTEM.
THEY CAME THROUGH A NEPHEW
GREEN CARD.
THAT'S JUST NOT A SMART WAY
FOR A COUNTRY TO RUN ITS
IMMIGRATION SYSTEM.
Tucker: WHAT SHOULD BE THETS
CRITERIA FOR ENTRY?
DONALD TRUMP LOOKED AT
THINGS LIKE WHAT IS YOUR
PROFICIENCY IN THE LANGUAGE?
WHAT ECONOMIC SKILLS DO YOU
HAVE?
DO HAVE A BACKGROUND
IN
SCIENCES?
TO HAVE A BACKGROUND IN
ENGINEERING?
DO YOU HAVE A BACKGROUND IN LAW
OR WRITING?
LOOKED AT THINGS LIKE YOUR AGE.
OBVIOUSLY YOU BRING IN
IMMIGRANTS WHO ARE IN THEIR
80s OR 90s, THAT WILL HAVE A
SIGNIFICANT EXPENSE ON SOCIETY,
SO YOU WANT FOLKS PRIMARILY IN
THEIR WORKING YEARS.
Tucker: WE INTERVIEWED
SOMEONE LAST WEEK WHO SAID WHO
WILL PICK THE STRAWBERRIES?
HOW MANY IMMIGRANTS, LOW-WAGE,
LOW SKILLED IMMIGRANTS, DO WE
NEED A YEAR FOR THE AGRICULTURE
SECTOR?
AS YOU KNOW, ONLY ABOUT 1% OF
THE IMMIGRANT POPULATION OF THE
COUNTRY WORKS IN AGRICULTURE.
IT'S DISCUSSED A LOT BUT IT'S A
VERY SMALL PORTION OF THE
OVERALL LABOR FORCE.
THE TYPICAL JOBS AT A LOWER
SKILLED IMMIGRANT WORKER MIGHT
BE CONSTRUCTION WORK, IT MIGHT
BE HOSPITALITY WORK, RESTAURANT
WORK, IT MIGHT BE NOT WORKING AT W
ALL AND JUST GOING ONTO THE
WELFARE SYSTEM IF THERE ISN'T A
JOB FOR THAT INDIVIDUAL.
Tucker: IF THERE'S NO CLEAR
ECONOMIC RATIONALE FOR AN
IMMIGRATION SYSTEM AND IT
DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THERE IS ONE,
THERE'S NO ECONOMISTS SAYING WE
NEED TO BRING IN THIS NUMBER OF
LOW SKILLED IMMIGRANTS, THEN WHY
DOES THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY
SUPPORT OUR CURRENT SYSTEM AND
WANT TO LIBERALIZE THE CURRENT
SYSTEM SO VEHEMENTLY?
WHAT MOTIVATES THEM?
YOU ARE ASKING THE RIGHT
QUESTION BUT I THINK IN THE
CONTEXT OF THIS DEBATE, THE
QUESTION THAT THE PRESIDENT IS
PUTTING BEFORE THE AMERICANRE
PEOPLE IS WHEN WE HAVE AN
IMMIGRATION SYSTEM, WHOSE NEEDS
ARE WE FUNDAMENTALLY TRYING TO
SERVE?
THE NEEDS OF SPECIAL INTERESTS?
THE NEEDS OF POLITICIANS, THEY
NEEDS OF FOREIGN COUNTRIES AND
FOREIGN NATIONALS AND THE NEEDS
OF OUR OWN COUNTRY AND OUR OWN
WORKERS?
AT THE END OF THE DAY, OUR HOPE
FOR A BIPARTISAN DEAL IS YOU
HAVE ENOUGH DEMOCRATS SAY THAT
LISTENING TO THE VOTERS AND THE
VOICE OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
SAYING WE WANT TO SERVE THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE FIRST.
WHAT DONALD TRUMP HAS DONE
THAT IS SO EXCEPTIONAL IS, FOR
THE FIRST TIME THAT I CAN
REMEMBER, THE FIRST TIME YOU CAN
PROBABLY REMEMBER.
WE HAVE A PRESIDENT OF THIS
COUNTRY WHO WHEN HE TALKS BUT
IMMIGRATION, HE TALKS ABOUT WHAT
IS RIGHT FOR THE EVERYDAY
HARDWORKING PERSON.
Tucker: WE ARE ALMOST OUT
OF TIME SO I JUST WANT TO GET TO
ONE QUICK POLITICAL QUESTION,
WHICH IS DEMOCRATS HAVE SAID
THEY ARE NOT GOING TO COME TO
ANY DEAL WITH THESE THREE
COMPONENTS IN IT.
BORDER WALL, REDUCING CHAIN
MIGRATION, ENDING DIVERSITY
LOTTERY.
WHERE IS THE WIGGLE ROOM ON THE
WHITE HOUSEAT SIDE?
DEMOCRATSTH ULTIMATELY HAVE TO
MAKE A CHOICE.
THEY CARE A LOT ABOUT ILLEGAL
IMMIGRANTS.
WE ARE SAYING IF YOU WANT TO
MAKE A DEAL THEN YOU HAVE TO
DELIVER BENEFITS FOR THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE AND TAXPAYERS
TOO.
IF THEY ARE ABLE TO AGREE ON
THOSE TERMS THEN WE CAN HAVE A
DEAL.
AN IMMIGRATION SYSTEM THAT TEN,
20, 30 YEARS FROM NOW PRODUCES
MORE ASSIMILATION, HIGHER WAGES,
MORE ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY, ANDDU
BETTER PROSPECTS FOR IMMIGRANTS
AND U.S.-BORN ALIKE.
Tucker: STEPHEN MILLER,
THANK YOU.
Tucker: NEGOTIATIONS OVER
DACA ARE ONGOING.
AS HEE JUST HEARD, THE STAKES ARE
HIGH.
HOW HIGH ARE THEY POLITICALLY?
ONE PROGRESSIVE GROUP, MAYBE ONE
OF THE BIGGEST IS NOW ADMITTING
THAT AMNESTY FOR ILLEGAL
IMMIGRANTS IS CENTRAL TO THE
DEMOCRATIC PARTY'S POLITICAL
FUTURE.
THE CENTER FOR
AMERICAN PROGRESS ACTION FUND
RECENTLY SENT OUT A LETTER
DEMANDING THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY
STAND UP TO REPUBLICANS IN THE
WHITE HOUSE TO DEFEND DACA.
WE WILL GET TO THE DEBATE IN
JUST A MINUTE.
THIS IS THE PRESIDENT LIVE ON A
FOOTBALL FIELD IN ATLANTA.
WE WILL LISTEN INTO THE
NATIONAL ANTHEM.
[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]
[INAUDIBLE]
[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]
♪♪ O SAY, CAN YOU SEE, ♪
♪ BY THE DAWN'S EARLY LIGHT ♪
♪ WHAT SO PROUDLY WE HAILED AT
THE TWILIGHT'S LAST GLEAMING ♪
♪ WHOSE BROAD STRIPES AND BRIGHT
STARS ♪
♪ THROUGH THE PERILOUS FIGHT ♪
♪ O'ER THE RAMPARTS WE WATCHED
WERE SO GALLANTLY STREAMING ♪
♪ AND THE ROCKETS' RED GLARE,
THE BOMBS BURSTING IN AIR ♪
♪ GAVE PROOF THROUGH THE NIGHT
THAT OUR FLAG WAS STILL THERE ♪
♪ O SAY, DOES THAT STAR SPANGLED
BANNER YET WAVE ♪
♪ O'ER THE LAND OF THE FREE ♪
♪ AND THE HOME OF THE BRAVE ♪♪
[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]
Tucker: PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES ON THE FIELD WITH
THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP IN
ATLANTA, GEORGIA.
THAT WAS, NEEDLESS TO SAY, THE
NATIONAL ANTHEM.
STANDING FOR IT.
ALL RIGHT, WE WILL GET BACK TO
OUR INTERVIEW ON THE QUESTION OF
DACA.
HENRY FERNANDEZ IS A FELLOW AT
THE CENTER FOR
AMERICAN PROGRESS.
IT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST
PROGRESSIVE GROUPS IN
WASHINGTON.
THE ACTION FUND SISTER
ORGANIZATION.
HE JOINS US TONIGHT.
THANKS FOR COMING ON.
THANK SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME,
TUCKER.TE
Tucker: YOU ALL SENT OUT A
FUND-RAISING PITCH RECENTLY,
JUST THE OTHER DAY, TRYING TO
RALLY DEMOCRATS TO STIFFEN THE
BACKBONE OF DEMOCRATS IN THE
CONGRESS TO RESIST ANY KIND OF
CONCESSIONS ON DACA.
IN IT WAS THIS LINE, WHICH
JUMPED OUT, IT'S SOMETHING WE'VE
BEEN SAYING ON THE SHOW BUT I'VE
NEVER HEARD ANYBODY ADMIT IT OUT
LOUD.HI
"THE FIGHT TO PROTECT DREAMERS
IS NOT ONLY A MORAL IMPERATIVE,
IT IS ALSO A CRITICAL COMPONENT
OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY'S FUTURE
ELECTORAL SUCCESS."
WE SAID A COUPLE OF TIMES THAT
THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY HAS
BASICALLY GIVEN UP ON THE MIDDLE
CLASS IN FAVOR OF IMPORTING NEW
VOTERS AND WE ARE DENOUNCED AS
ALT-RIGHT FOR SAYING THAT.
YOU WERE HONEST ENOUGH TO ADMIT
IT IN A FUND-RAISING PITCH AND I
JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THAT
AND FOR CLARIFYING THE TERMS OF
THE DEBATE.
OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T LOOK AT IT
THE WAY YOU DO.
WHAT WE ARE MAKING CLEAR IS THAT
THERE IS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF
SUPPORT FOR FIXING THE DACA
PROBLEM THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP
CREATED FOR A CLEAN DREAM ACT.
BY A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OFX
SUPPORT, YOUR FOX NEWS POLLING
SAYS THAT OVER
80% OF AMERICANS SUPPORT MAKING
SURE THAT WE FIX THE PROBLEM
THAT WAS CREATED BY
PRESIDENT TRUMP WITH REGARDS TO
DACA AND MAKE SURE THAT THESE
YOUNG PEOPLE CAN STAY HERE IN
THE U.S.
WHEN 80% OF AMERICANS SUPPORT
SOMETHING, IT MAKES A LOT OF
SENSE FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS OFSO
ALL PARTIES TO STAND WITH THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE.
Tucker: RIGHT, BUT THAT'S
ACTUALLY NOT WHAT THE NUMBERS
SHOW.
IF YOU BREAK IT OUT INTO THEHE
TERMS THAT ARE ACTUALLY UNDER
DEBATE, CHAIN MIGRATION FOR
EXAMPLE, THAT HAS VERY LITTLE
SUPPORT FROM VOTERS.
MOST VOTERS DON'T THINK YOU
OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO COME HERE
ILLEGALLY, GET AMNESTY, AND THEN
BRING YOUR RELATIVES.
MOST VOTERS THINK WE LET INTO
MANY IMMIGRANTS OF ALL KINDS
UNDER ALL PROGRAMS.
THEY ARE NOT FOR THE DIVERSITY
LOTTERY, THESE ARE ALL THINGS
THE DEMOCRATS SUPPORT.R
SO ACTUALLY ON THE SPECIFICS,
THE DEMOCRATS ARE ON THE OTHER
SIDE OF PUBLIC OPINION, AS YOU
KNOW.
ACTUALLY THE POLLS, AT LEAST
THE FOX POLL, WHICH I'M GOING TO
ASSUME YOU THINK IS RELIABLE,
SAYS VERY CLEARLY THAT WHAT WE
ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE, WHAT IS
UP FOR DEBATE IN THE CONGRESS,
WHAT WAS ACTUALLY STOPPED BY
PRESIDENT TRUMP, WAS DACA AND SO
WE NEED A CLEAN DREAM ACT.
THAT'S INCREDIBLY POPULAR.
THE OTHER ISSUES THAT YOU ARE
RAISING ARE NOT ACTUALLY UP FOR
DEBATE OTHER THAN THAT
PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS PUT THEM ON
THE TABLE.Y
Tucker: YOU WILL CONCEDE
THAT MOST AMERICANS DON'T THINK
YOU OUGHT TO COME HERE ILLEGALLY
AND BRING YOUR RELATIVES WITH
YOU.
THEY DON'T.
THE POLLING ON THAT IS REALLY
CLEAR.
I WOULD CONCEDE THAT IF YOU
CONCOCT A POLL THAT USES
LANGUAGE LIKE YOU JUST USED, YOU
COULD PROBABLY GET AMERICANS TO
AGREE TO MANY THINGS, BUT IF YOU
LOOK AT POLLING FROM LEGITIMATE
POLLING ORGANIZATIONS
THAT CLARIFY FOR VOTERS
SPECIFICALLY, IN FACT, WHAT WE
ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE, WHICH IS
THAT FAMILY MEMBERS, U.S.
CITIZENS, SHOULD BE ABLE TO
PETITION FOR THEIR FAMILY
MEMBERS TO GET VISAS TO COME TO
THE UNITED STATES.
THAT'S PRETTY DARN POPULAR.
Tucker: SO YOU THINK THAT
MOST PEOPLE WOULD SUPPORT GIVING
AMNESTY, A PATH TO CITIZENSHIP
FOR PEOPLE HERE ILLEGALLY,
INCLUDING THE DREAMERS, AND THEN
SAY, YES, IT'S OKAY TO BRING
YOUR RELATIVES HERE.
I JUST DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY
EVIDENCE THAT THAT'S TRUE.
LET ME ASK YOU THE ECONOMIC
QUESTION.I
THE DREAMERS ARE FAR LESS
EDUCATED THAN A RANDOM SAMPLE OF
AMERICAN CITIZENS.
LESS LIKELY TO GRADUATE FROM
HIGH SCHOOL, LESS LIKELY TO
GRADUATE FROM COLLEGE.
FAR LESS LIKELY TO BE ABLE TO
READ AND T WRITE ENGLISH.
THAT'S NOT TRUE.
Tucker: ACTUALLY IT IS
TRUE.
TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR DACA, YOU
HAVE TO HAVE GRADUATED FROM
HIGH SCHOOL.
88% OF AMERICANS HAVE GRADUATED
FROM HIGH SCHOOL.
TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR DACA YOU HAVE
TO HAVE GRADUATED FROM
HIGH SCHOOL OR BE IN
HIGH SCHOOL, SO THAT'S 100%.
Tucker: OR THE EQUIVALENT.
WHEN WE COUNT AMERICANS WHO
HAVE GRADUATED FROM HIGH SCHOOL,
WE INCLUDE THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE
A GED.
WE ARE COMPARING APPLES TO
APPLES.
Tucker: IT'S NOT ACTUALLY
THE SAME.
IT'S A LEFT-LEANING GROUP.
DACA HOLDERS ARE SOMEWHAT LESS
EDUCATED OF THE U.S. POPULATION
OF SIMILAR AGES.
COLLEGE."
WHEN YOU LOOK AT COLLEGE
GRADUATION, YOU ARE RIGHT.
Tucker: I KNOW I'M RIGHT.
LET'S UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHY
THAT IS.
THAT'S BECAUSE THOSE COLLEGE
STUDENTS -- I DON'T MEAN TO
INTERRUPT, IT'S YOUR SHOW, BUT I
WANT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
Tucker: AND I WANT TO HEAR
YOUR ANSWER.
OKAY.
THE ANSWER IS THAT THOSE YOUNG
PEOPLE ARE OFTEN NOT ELIGIBLE TO
GET THINGS LIKE IN-STATE
TUITION, OR SCHOLARSHIPS TO
COLLEGE.
IF THEY ARE ABLE TO GET GREEN
CARDS AND THEN PROCESS TO C
CITIZENSHIP, LIKE OTHER
IMMIGRANTS, THEY WILL GET --
Tucker: IF THEY GET MORE
BENEFITS --
NOT BENEFITS.
Tucker: YES, THEY ARE
BENEFITS.
I'M SORRY, THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO
AREN'T U.S. CITIZENS, THEY ARE
NOT HERE LEGALLY AND YOU ARE
SAYING WITH A STRAIGHT FACE THAT
WE HAVE SOME MORAL AND ECONOMIC
OBLIGATION
TO PAY FOR MORE
BENEFITS FOR THESE PEOPLE.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT HAS POPULAR
SUPPORT, BUT
PERHAPS I'M WRONG.
I WOULD AGAIN POINT ONLY TOOU
THE POLL FROM YOUR OWN NETWORK
WHICH SAID 82% OF AMERICANS
SUPPORT IT.
Tucker: RIGHT!
[LAUGHS]
ACTUAL SCIENCE.
I HEAR THAT EVERY NIGHT.
MR. FERNANDEZ, THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, HAVE A GOOD NIGHT,
TUCKER.
Tucker: OPRAH WINFREY'S
GOLDEN GLOBE SPEECH HAS EVERYONE
SPECULATING ABOUT A POSSIBLE
PRESIDENTIAL RUN AND FOR SOME
REASON A LOT OF PEOPLE SEEM VERY
EXCITED ABOUT IT.
TRY TO FIGURE THAT OUT NEXT.
♪ ♪
Tucker: THE CURRENT
PRESIDENT IS THE FIRST PERSON TO
JUMP STRAIGHT FROM TELEVISION TO
THE PRESIDENCY.
HE MAY NOT BE THE LAST.
WE LEARNED THAT LAST NIGHT
DURING THE GOLDEN GLOBES.
THERE WAS A HEAVY FOCUS ON
SEXUAL ASSAULT AND HARASSMENT.
HUNDREDS OF ACTORS QUIETLY
ENABLED THAT BEHAVIOR FOR YEARS
OF COURSE, BUT LAST NIGHT THEY
COLLECTIVELY VOWED TO STOP IT.
THE BIGGEST STAR WAS
OPRAH WINFREY, HARVEY
WEINSTEIN'S OLD FRIEND, WHO WON
A STANDING OVATION WITH THIS.
I WANT ALL THE GIRLS WATCHING
HERE AND NOW TO KNOW THAT A NEW
DAY IS ON THE HORIZON!
[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]
AND WHEN THAT NEW DAY FINALLY
DAWNS, IT WILL BE BECAUSE OF A
LOT OF MAGNIFICENT WOMEN, MANY
OF WHOM ARE RIGHT HERE IN THIS
ROOM TONIGHT, AND SOME PRETTY
PHENOMENAL MEN FIGHTING HARD TO
MAKE SURE THAT THEY BECOME THE
LEADERS WHO TAKE US TO THE TIME
WHEN NOBODY EVER HAS TO SAY TO
"ME TOO" AGAIN.
Tucker: IF YOU DIDN'T WEEP
AS HARD AS TOM HANKS DID YOU ARE
JUST NOT HUMAN.
THE SPEECH DIDN'T JUST
WIN OPRAH APPLAUSE.
MANY PEOPLE PREDICTABLY OR TALK
ABOUT OPRAH RUNNING FOR
PRESIDENT THIS MORNING BECAUSE
THERE ARE 24 HOURS TO FILL IN
CABLE NEWS.
THAT SPECULATION WAS FUELED BY
REPORTS ON MONDAY THAT OPRAH IS
SERIOUSLY CONSIDERING A RUN.
JENNIFER RUBIN, WHO POSED AS A
CONSERVATIVE OVER
TWEETED "OPRAH-YATES 2020!"
BILL KRISTOL, TWEETED
#I'mWithHer.
JOY REED SUGGESTED OPRAH IS
ALREADY THE PRESIDENT AT LEAST
IN SPIRIT.
"SWITCH BACK TO THE
GOLDEN GLOBES TO WATCH OPRAH GET
HER AWARD.
NEVER LET IT BE SAID THAT I
DON'T RESPECT THE PRESIDENT OF
THE UNITED STATES.
SPIRITUALLY OF COURSE.
WENDY JOINS US TONIGHT.
GOOD TO SEE YOU.
THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
Tucker: A MOMENT OF
SERIOUSNESS NOW.
OPRAH IS VERY TALENTED.EE
ONE OF THE GREAT COMMUNICATORSRS
OBVIOUSLY.
IF SHE RAN IN THE DEMOCRATIC
PRIMARY SHE WOULD WIN.
IT'S ALL DAYTIME TV VIEWERS
VOTING IN THAT PRIMARY AND SHE
WOULD WIN.
HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF YOU ARE
SENATOR GILLIBRAND OR ONE OF THE
PEOPLE WHO SPENT YEARS KIND OF
PREPARING FOR THIS, PLANNING TO W
RUN IN THE PRIMARY, GETTING
BLOWN OUT BY OPRAH?
I GUESS THE WAY MARCO RUBIO
OR JEB BUSH FELT OR TED CRUZ
FELT WHEN TRUMP BLEW THEM OUT.
THIS IS NOT SOMETHING FOR US TO
LOOK AT AS A VACUUM, SO TO
SPEAK.K.
OPRAH WINFREY IS VERY TALENTED.
SHE BRINGS PEOPLE TOGETHER.
SHE IS NOT DIVISIVE.
SHE MAKES PEOPLE FEEL WARM
INSIDE AND RIGHT NOW OUR COUNTRY
IS VERY DIVIDED.
WHAT SHE DID LAST NIGHT WHEN SHE
HEALED US, SHE BROUGHT US ALL
TOGETHER AND THAT IS WHAT IS
NEEDED.
Tucker: HOLD ON, HOW DID
SHE HEAL US?
SHE HEALED US BECAUSE SHE
SPOKE TO ISSUES THAT A LOT OF
PEOPLE ARE FACING.
WHETHER YOU ARE A WOMAN, SHE WAS
INTERTWINING RACIAL DIVISION.
SHE TALKED ABOUT NOT JUST WOMEN
COMING TOGETHER, BUT WOMEN AND
MEN COMING TOGETHER.
THAT'S WHAT WE NEED IN A LEADER.
Tucker: WOMEN AND MEN COME
TOGETHER KIND OF NATURALLY AND
HAVE FOR BIOLOGICAL REASONS FOR
QUITE A WHILE NOW.
ABSOLUTELY.
BUT WE HAVE SEEN WITH THE
#MeToo MOVEMENT IS WOMENNS
STANDING UP AND SAYING WHAT IS
HAPPENING TO US, WHETHER WE ARE
POLITICS,
IS NOT GOOD.
BUT WE NEED TO HAVE MEN WHO AREE
ALSO SAYING THE SAME THINGS
AND OPRAH MADE A CALL TO ARMS
TO SAY EVERYONE NEEDS TO COME
TOGETHER.
Tucker: SO YOU WEREN'T
BOTHERED BY THE PICTURES OF HER
KISSING HARVEY WEINSTEIN OR
ANYTHING LIKE THAT?
THAT DIDN'T SEEM A LITTLE WEIRD?D?
THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO
WERE KISSING HARVEY WEINSTEIN.
EVEN OUR OWN PRESIDENT RIGHT NOW
HAS BEEN ACCUSED OF SEXUAL
HARASSMENT.
Tucker: IT'S ONE THING TO
GO FROM KISSING HARVEY WEINSTEIN
TO BEING THE FACE OF #MeToo.
SHOULD THERE BE AN INTERMEDIATE
STEP WHERE YOU SAY SORRY I
KISSED HARVEY WEINSTEIN?
LET'S TALK ABOUT THEOU
INTERMEDIATE STEP. I
THE INTERMEDIATE STEP IS IN 1990
OPRAH ACTUALLY PASSED A BILL
THAT MADE SURE THAT PEOPLE WHO
ABUSE CHILDREN WERE REGISTERED.
Tucker: SHE PASSED A BILL?
IT'S NAMED AFTER HER.
AT THE 1 NATIONAL CHILD PROTECTION
ACTS IN 1990.
SHE HAS A HISTORY OF DOING
THINGS --
Tucker: OF BEING IN THE
CONGRESS IN PASSING LEGISLATION
AND NOW SHE'S HEALING?RY
SHE HAS A HISTORY OF MOVING
THINGS FORWARD BY USING HER
PLATFORM AND THAT'S WHAT WE
NEED.
WE NEED A LEADER WHO USES THEIR
PLATFORM TO DO THINGS THAT ARE
POSITIVE.
THAT'S WHAT DONALD TRUMP DOES
NOT DO AND THAT'S WHAT OPRAH HAS
DONE FOR COUNTLESS YEARS.
AND IN 1990 DONALD TRUMP EVEN
SAID IF HE HAD A VP IT WOULD BE
OPRAH WINFREY.
Tucker: FOR SURE.
I WONDER IF IT'S BEING A
UNIVERSALLY BELOVED DAYTIME TALK
SHOW HOST AND TALKING ABOUT
WHATEVER SHE TALKS ABOUT, IT'S AHE
LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM BEING A
POLITICIAN, RIGHT?
WOULDN'T SHE BECOME SLIGHTLY
LESS BELOVED, MAYBE SLIGHTLY
MORE DIVISIVE IF SHE WERE TO
WEIGH IN ON SOME OF THE THORNY
ISSUES OF THE DAY?
MAYBE SHE COULD.
LOOK AT DONALD TRUMP.
HE HAS BECOME MORE DIVISIVE.
THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT WITH
OPRAH WINFREY, SHE STUCK TO THE
SCRIPT, SHE STUCK TO HEALING,
SHE STUCK TO MAKING SURE OUR
NATION IS COMING TOGETHER.
SHE DID NOT SAY ONE SIDE IS
BETTER THAN THE OTHER.
WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT HERE
WITH OPRAH WINFREY --
Tucker: I CAN'T TELL IF
YOU'RE BEING SO SERIOUS RIGHT
NOW.RE
I AM BEING SO HONEST. R
Tucker: THE HEALING THING,
YOU FELT THAT?
YOU DIDN'T HAVE A TEARJERKER
MOMENT?
Tucker: I WEPT LIKE A
CHILD.
IT DOES IT GIVE YOU ANY PAUSEOU
THAT BILL CRYSTAL TOOK TIME OUT
FROM ADVOCATING FOR AN IRAN
INVASION TO SUPPORT OPRAH?
YOU THINK THIS IS NOT THE OPRAH
I KNOW, THE ONE WHO GETS SUPPORT
FROM BILL KRISTOL?
IT'S NOT THAT.
FOR ME I FELT THAT 2018 IS OFF
TO A GOOD START WHEN WE SAW
SOMEONE WHO WAS RALLYING THE
COUNTRY IN A POSITIVE WAY.TA
WHETHER THAT'S OPRAH WINFREY AND
BILL KRISTOL DECIDES TO JUMP ON
THAT BANDWAGON, THAT'S GREAT.
IT'S GOOD THAT WE ARE COMING
TOGETHER.
Tucker: YOU ARE NOT REALLY
DESCRIBING A POLITICIAN, YOU ARE
DESCRIBING A RELIGIOUS FIGURE.
SHE HEALS PEOPLE, SHE PASSES
LEGISLATION WITHOUT EVEN BEING
IN CONGRESS.
SHE BRINGS MEN AND WOMEN
TOGETHER.
SHE USES HER PLATFORM FOR
GOOD, THAT IS WHAT A LEADER
DOES.
Tucker: I HAVE SNARKY
REMARKS, BUT I'M GOING TO KEEP
THEM TO MYSELF.
WE CAN CRITICIZE HER BUT WE
HAVE TO GIVE HER HER KUDOS AND
THAT IS THAT SHE USES HER
PLATFORM EFFECTIVELY.
Tucker: I WILL NEED TO GO
TO CONFESSION IF I EVEN THINK AN
UNKIND THOUGHT ABOUT
OPRAH WINFREY AT THIS POINT.TI
CAN WE USE HER LAST NAME?
YES.
Tucker: THANK YOU.
MARK STEYN HAS BEEN WATCHING
OPRAH TOO, THINKING ABOUT HER
RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.
HE JOINS US NEXT.
♪ ♪RK
Tucker: FOR MONTHS, ANN
OPRAH WINFREY PRESIDENTIAL RUN
WAS JUST IDLE SPECULATION.
NOW IT FEELS ALMOST INEVITABLE
THANKS TO DONALD TRUMP, THE AGELM
OF THE CELEBRITY POLITICIAN
MAY BE UPON US AND STAY HERE.
MARK STEYN IS AN AUTHOR AND
COLUMNIST AND HE JOINS US
TONIGHT.
I WANT TO BE CLEAR AT THE OUTSET
AND ON THE RECORD THAT I AM NOT
IN ANY WAY CRITICIZING OPRAH.
I THINK IT'S A FEDERAL CRIME,
AND I PLEDGE NEVER TO CRITICIZE
OPRAH IN ANY WAY.I
SO I'M NOT DOING THAT NOW.
BUT I'M WONDERING WHAT YOU MADE
OF THE REACTION TO OPRAH WINFREY
LAST NIGHT WERE YOU HAD PEOPLE,
EVEN REPUBLICANS, PURPORTEDLY
BILL KRISTOL JUMPING IN AND
SAYING "RUN, OPRAH."
WHAT IS THAT?
I THINK BILL KRISTOL, IF YOU
RECALL HIS TWEET FROM A COUPLE B
OF MONTHS AGO SAYING HOW MUCH HE
SUPPORTS THE DEEP STATE AGAINST
TRUMP, I THINK WE SHOULD DRAW
FROM BILL KRISTOL SUPPORT OF
OPRAH'S CANDIDACY THAT SHE HAS
BEEN AN AGENT OF THE DEEP STATE
FOR MANY YEARS.
THAT'S WHY BILL KRISTOL SUPPORTS
HER.
Tucker: IT WOULDN'T
SURPRISE ME GIVEN THE CONTROL
SHE SEEMS TO HAVE OVER PEOPLE'S
MINDS.
I THINK WE'RE BOTH ASSUMING THAT
IF SHE RAN THE DEMOCRATIC
PRIMARY SHE WOULD GET THE
NOMINATION, RIGHT?
ABSOLUTELY.HE
LOOK, YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT --
AND WENDY ACKNOWLEDGED THIS IN A
CERTAIN SENSE.
IF YOU ARE THE DEMOCRATS, YOU
WANT TO DRAG BILL de BLASIO OR
ELIZABETH WARREN OR BERNIE OVER
THE FINISH LINE, OR DO YOU JUST
WANT TO CUT TO THE CHASE AND GO
WITH OPRAH?
THEY ARE BETTING THAT IF IT'S
TRUMP VERSUS OPRAH, HE'S NOT
GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO TO HER
WHAT HE DID TO JEB AND HILLARY.
AND IN A SENSE, THAT'S VALID.
SHE WAS BY FAR THE LEAST IDIOTIC
PERSON AT THAT AWARD CEREMONY
LAST NIGHT.
SHE WAS CRAFTY AND CUNNING IN
THE WAY SHE TIED HER PERSONAL
STORY TO THIS #MeToo BUSINESS.
WHICH I THINK IS ACTUALLY ONE OF
THE INTERESTING THINGS ABOUT IT.
TO ME, THAT CEREMONY WAS
LUDICROUS.
I FELT FOR ROSE McGOWAN AND
ROSANNA ARQUETTE AND MIRA
SORVINO AS I FELT FOR THE GIRLS
IN ENGLAND THAT I SPOKE TO WHO
HAVE BEEN SEXUALLY ABUSED BY
THESE MUSLIM GROOMING GANGS AND
THEN WATCHED AS ALL THESE
OPPORTUNIST ACTIVISTS AND G
POLITICIANS TURNED THE SCANDAL
INTO A WAY TO ADVANCE THEMSELVES
UP THE GREASY POLE, AND THE
VICTIMS WERE IGNORED.
AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED
LAST NIGHT.
MIRA AND ROSANNA AND ROSE
McGOWAN DIDN'T GET ANY INVITES
TO THE GOLDEN GLOBES.
ALL THESE RIDICULOUS A-LISTERS
LIKE MERYL STREEP CAME ALONG AND
SAID I'M GOING TO SHOW HOW MUCH
I SUPPORT DEFENSELESS WOMEN BY
ONLY WEARING BLACK.
I'VE ORDERED MY COUTURIER TO
DRESS ME LIKE AUDREY HEPBURN
IN "BREAKFAST AT TIFFANY'S."
THAT WILL SHOW THEM.
AND IT WAS COMPLETELY
PREPOSTEROUS.
AND OPRAH ACTUALLY -- OPRAH, WHO
WAS MORE OPPORTUNIST THAN ANY OF
THEM, ACTUALLY SEES THAT ISSUE
AND APPROPRIATED IT TO HERSELF,
WHICH I WOULD BE ANNOYED ABOUT
IF I WERE MIRA SORVINO, BUT SHE
DID IT AT A SKILL LEVEL THAT IS
WAY BEYOND NICOLE KIDMAN OR
MERYL STREEP OR ANY OF THOSE
OTHER LADIES.
Tucker: SHE'S TALENTED, O
THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.
AND SHE CERTAINLY IS A BRILLIANT
COMMUNICATOR.
SOMEONE SAID TO ME THOUGH
RECENTLY, SOMEONE WHO SHALL
REMAIN NAMELESS BECAUSE HE
DOESN'T WANT TO BE CHARGED WITH
A CRIME EITHER, I RESPECT OPRAH,
BUT SOMETIMES THERE IS -- THIS
MAN SAID TO ME I FEEL LIKE SHE
DOESN'T LIKE ME.
SHE DOESN'T LIKE ME.
DO YOU THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE
FEEL THAT WAY?
WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THES
POPULATION FEELS LIKE OPRAH IS
ON THEIR SIDE? S
THE QUESTION IS WHETHER OPRAH
IS ON OUR SIDE.
SHE GAVE A RATHER CURIOUS
INTERVIEW, I THINK IT WAS TO THE
BBC A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, WHEREEE
SHE SAID THAT IT REALLY JUST OLD
WHITE PEOPLE NEED TO DIE.
AND THIS IS WHERE IT GETS TO
WENDY'S THING ABOUT HOW SHE
HEALS US ALL AND SHE BRINGS US
ALL TOGETHER.
I'M NOT ACTUALLY SURE AT THIS
STAGE THAT TALKING ABOUT SIDNEYAT
POITIER AND ROSA PARKS DOES DO
THAT.
I'M NOT SURE IT'S ANYTHING TO DO
WITH THE CHALLENGES WE FACE
TODAY, NOT JUST BECAUSE AMERICA
HAS ELECTED A BLACK PRESIDENT
AND THE GOLDEN GLOBES IS FULL OF
FAMOUS AND PROMINENT BLACK
CELEBRITIES, AND INDEED A
BIRACIAL AMERICAN WOMAN IS ABOUT
TO MARRY INTO THE ROYAL FAMILY
IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS.
IT'S NOT JUST THAT HER PARENTS
DIDN'T HAVE A THING ABOUT RACE,
BUT HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN, WHO
HAS TO APPROVE EVERY ROYAL
MARRIAGE DOESN'T EITHER.
THERE'S SOMETHING SLIGHTLY WEIRD
IN HER ATTEMPT, WHICH WAS
EFFECTIVE WITH THE CROWD, AND
TRYING TO CONNECT ALL THESE KIND
OF TRADITIONAL RACIAL TROPES TO
THE #MeToo THING.O
LET'S NOT FORGET, BY THE WAY,
THAT ALL THESE FEEL-GOOD MOVIES
SHE HAS MADE LIKE "THE BUTLER"
THAT WERE DISTRIBUTED BY HARVEY
WEINSTEIN, HARVEY WEINSTEIN
WANTED A PIECE OF ALL OF THOSE H
AFFIRMATIVE ACTION FEEL-GOOD
BOOSTER MOVIES BECAUSE IT WAS A
GREAT WAY TO GET CHICKS, LIBERAL
CHICKS TO GO UP TO YOUR HOTEL
ROOM.
THERE WERE ALL KINDS OF
CONTRADICTIONS AT PLAY IN THE
PATH SHE'S TRYING TO NEGOTIATE
THERE.
Tucker: EVERYTHING IS MORE
COMPLICATED THAN IT LOOKS.
MARK STEYN, THANK YOU FOR BEING
A SHERPA IN THAT TWISTED PATH.
WE ALL NEED MORE HEALING,
IT'S MORE COMPLICATED THAN IT
LOOKS, TUCKER.
Tucker: I'M FOR HEALING.
THANK YOU, MARK.
SOME OF APPLE'S INVESTORS ARE
TERRIFIED BY HOW ADDICTIVE THAT
COMPANY'S PRODUCTS ARE,
ESPECIALLY TO CHILDREN, AND THEY
ARE NOT ALONE.TN,
UP NEXT, A BIG AND VERY
WELL-KNOWN TECH INVESTOR SAYS HE
NOW REGRETS HELPING CREATE
GOOGLE AND FACEBOOK.IG
STAY TUNED FOR THAT.
♪ ♪
GOOGLE AND FACEBOOK.
STAY TUNED FOR THAT.
♪ ♪
Tucker: SOME OF
SILICON VALLEY'S BIGGEST
INVESTORS ARE BEING ASKED TOUGH
QUESTIONS ABOUT THE WORLD THEYVE
HELPED CREATE.
OVER THE WEEKEND, TWO MAJOR
CALIFORNIA STATE TEACHERSIC
TO APPLE URGING THE COMPANY TO
DO MORE TO FIGHT SMARTPHONE
ADDICTION AMONG YOUNG PEOPLE.
AN EARLY INVESTOR IN BOTH
FACEBOOK AND GOOGLE, WHICH IS A
GREAT THING FINANCIALLY, BUT NOWH
HE SAYS HE REGRETS SOME OF WHAT
THOSE COMPANIES HAVE BECOME.HE
ROGER JOINS US TONIGHT, THANKS
FOR COMING ON.
MY PLEASURE, TUCKER.
Tucker: IT'S KIND OF
AMAZING TO EVEN BEGIN THIS
CONVERSATION WITH YOU
CONSIDERING YOU SO FAMOUSLY MADE
GREAT BETS ON BOTH THOSE
COMPANIES.
NOW YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT
THEY ARE DOING.
EXPLAIN YOUR CONCERN.
IT'S REALLY SIMPLE.
THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE HERE IS
THAT MANY OF US, AND I COUNT
MYSELF AMONG THE NUMBER, AND
VIEW TECHNOLOGY IS ONE OF THOSE
THINGS THAT WAS ONLY GOODNESS.
THERE REALLY WAS NO DOWNSIDE TO
IT.DE
FOR THE LONGEST TIME, THAT WAS
TRUE.
NOW BECAUSE SMARTPHONES ARE
AVAILABLE 18 HOURS A DAY AND
BECAUSE COMPANIES LIKE FACEBOOK
AND GOOGLE HAVE PERSONALIZED
2 BILLION INDIVIDUAL CHANNELS SO
EACH OF US HAS THEIR OWN
PROGRAMMING ALL THE TIME,
ADDICTION IS ACTUALLY AN
INEVITABLE RESULT OF THEIR
ADVERTISING BUSINESS MODELS.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE SAW.
I PERSONALLY LOOK BACK ON THISVE
AND I'M KICKING MYSELF FOR NOT
HAVING SEEN IT.
AT THE SAME TIME, I COMMITTED
MYSELF FULL-TIME WITH MY
PARTNERS TO TRY TO START A
NATIONAL CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT
IS THE APPROPRIATE ROLE OF
TECHNOLOGY?AL
WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO PROTECT
OUR CHILDREN?
AND I'M DELIGHTED TO SEE THAT
THERE ARE LARGE INSTITUTIONAL
INVESTORS WHO ARE BRINGING THEIR
MARKET POWER TO TRY TO CALL
ATTENTION BOTH TO THE ISSUE AND
TO PROVOKE COMPANIES TO DO THE
RIGHT THING.
Tucker: I ASSUME YOU STILL
LIVE OUT IN THE PENINSULA
OR IN THE BAY AREA, HOW
UNPOPULAR ARE YOU?
THIS IS THE MOST COUNTERCULTURAL
THING YOU COULD DO I WOULD
THINK.NT
IT'S A REALLY INTERESTING
THING BECAUSE I THINK YOU ARE
RIGHT.
FOR THE LONGEST TIME,
SILICON VALLEY DIDN'T WANT TO
BELIEVE THERE WAS A PROBLEM.
EVERYBODY LIKES DISRUPTION
BECAUSE IT'S EASY.
WHAT THEY DON'T WANT IS TO BEAR
THE CONSEQUENCES OF HAVING DONE
THAT DISRUPTION.
NOW THAT THEY ARE BEING CALLED
TO TASK, WHAT'S REALLY COOL, I
WROTE LAST WEEKEND THAT
BROUGHT CEOs TO ME TO START
CONVERSATIONS FOR THE FIRST
TIME.
I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT
POPULARITY.
THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.
I'M REALLY WORRIED ABOUT OUR
CHILDREN, I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE
COUNTRY, I'M WORRIED ABOUT
DEMOCRACY.
I'M WORRIED ABOUT WHAT GOES ON
IN THE WORLD.
I JUST THINK THAT WE DON'T WANT
TO BE MADE MORE LONELY.
WE DON'T WANT TO BE MADE MORE
SAD, WE DON'T WANT TO BE MADE
MORE UNSUCCESSFUL.
AND WE FOR SURE DON'T WANT
THAT TO HAPPEN TO OUR KIDS.T
Tucker: WHAT DO YOU THINK THE
RIGHT WAY -- YOU ARE SAYING THISN
AS A VERY INFORMED, UNUSUALLY
INFORMED PERSON ON THIS
QUESTION -- HOW IS IT THE BEST
WAY TO MANAGE YOUR CHILDREN'S
USE OF THESE DEVICES?
I THINK THE REALLY IMPORTANT
THING FOR EVERY PARENT TO
UNDERSTAND IS THAT THERE ARE A
LOT OF BAD THINGS THAT CAN
HAPPEN.
WE THINK ABOUT PRODUCTS LIKE
YOUTUBE KIDS.
WE THINK ABOUT PRODUCTS LIKE
SNAPCHAT.
THESE ARE PRODUCTS WHOSE
BUSINESS MODEL IS DESIGNED ABOUT
THE NOTION OF ADDICTION IN KIDS.
THEY ARE NOT EQUIPPED TO DEAL
WITH IT.
PARENTS NEED TO RESTRICTIG USAGE
OF THIS PRODUCTS.
ONE OF THE SAD THINGS, ONE OF
THE THINGS THAT MAKES ME ANGRY,
IS THAT EXECUTIVES OUT IN THE
VALLEY GENERALLY RESTRICT THEIR
KIDS' USAGE OF THE PRODUCT THAT
THEY ARE ENCOURAGING EVERYONE
ELSE TO USE.
I THINK THE FIRST THING TO DO IS
YOU HAVE TO EXPLAIN TO THE KIDS,
THERE'S A LOT OF BAD STUFF GOING
ON HERE AND IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT.
I WISH WE HAD CAUGHT THIS BEFORE
IT HAD BECOME AN EPIDEMIC
PROBLEM.
Tucker: EVERYTHING YOU HAVE
SAID MAKES SENSE, IT SEEMS
OBVIOUS.
FOR OUR VIEWERS WHO DON'T KNOW
WHAT YOU ARE, I WOULD ENCOURAGE
THEM TO GOOGLE YOU BECAUSE THEY
WILL SEE THAT COMING FROM YOU
THIS IS PROFOUND.
YOU REALLY ARE RIGHT IN THE
MIDDLE.
THIS WAS A HUGE CHANGE FOR
ME.
I'M PROUD OF -- THIS IS MY
NATIONAL SERVICE RIGHT NOW.
Tucker: IT'S AMAZING YOU
ARE DOING IT AND I'M GRATEFUL
THAT YOU ARE.
LET'S KEEP THE CONVERSATION
GOING, YOU'VE GOT FOUR GIRLS,
LET'S TAKE CARE OF THEM.
Tucker: ANY TIME.
MAYORS IN FRANCE ARE BEGGING THE
NATIONAL GOVERNMENT IN THAT
COUNTRY FOR HELP AS THEY ARE
BESIEGED BY MIGRANTS.
THE INCOMPARABLE KATIE HOPKINS
HERE WITH A REPORT.
♪ ♪
Tucker: FRENCH CITIES
REMAIN INUNDATED WITH THOUSANDS
OF MIGRANTS WHO ARE LIVING ON
THE STREETS.
A NOVEMBER SPEECH IN
BURKINA FASO, THE CAPITAL, THE
FRENCH PRESIDENT EXPLAINED WHY
MANY OF THEM MUST GO.
"I CAN'T TELL MY MIDDLE CLASSES
WHO WORK, PAY TAXES, THAT IT'S
GREAT WE ARE GOING TO WELCOME
EVERYBODY INTO THE COUNTRY.
THAT'S RIDICULOUS, WHO'S GOING
TO PAY FOR THAT?
YOU WILL JUST FUEL RACISM AND
XENOPHOBIA.
THAT JUST DOESN'T WORK."
KATIE HOPKINS IS WITH REBEL
MEDIA AND SHE JOINS US TONIGHT.
KATIE, THAT WAS THE PRESIDENT OF
FRANCE, THE HISTORIC RIVAL TO
YOUR ISLAND KINGDOM.
CAN YOU IMAGINE AN ENGLISH
LEADER -- A POLITICAL FIGURE IN
THE U.K. SAYING SOMETHING LIKE
THAT OUT LOUD?
NO, NOT AT ALL.
I THINK MACRON HOPEFULLY IS
GOING TO COME BACK REALLY STRONG
ON MIGRATION.
I HOPE HE IS GOING TO UP THE
NUMBER OF ASYLUM-SEEKERS,
REJECTED ASYLUM-SEEKERS.
I THINK THEY HAVE WRITTEN THESE
LETTERS SAYING THEY'RE
OVERWHELMED BY MIGRANTS, THEY
ARE LOOKING FOR FAST ACTION.
AND THEY ARE ALSO LOOKING FOR
THE REST OF FRANCE TO SHARE THE
PROBLEM.
AT THE MOMENT IT'S VERY MUCH
AROUND THE PERIPHERY OF FRANCE,
AROUND THE EDGE OF FRANCE.
I THINK WHAT THEY ARE SAYING ISER
WE NEED EVERYONE ELSE TO TAKE
SOME OF THE SHARE AND BEAR THE
LOAD.
BUT HE IS TALKING TOUGH ON
MIGRATION, AND YOU CAN SEE WHY,
BECAUSE MERKEL HASN'T BEEN TOUGH
ENOUGH AND SHE'S, JUST HAD HER
WORST POLLING IN 17 YEARS.
IT PLEASES ME TO NO END BECAUSE
I BELIEVE THE WOMAN IS DEAD
BEHIND THE EYES.
Tucker: I AGREE COMPLETELY.
IT SEEMS SO ODD TO HAVE THE
PRESIDENT OF FRANCE SPEAKING
LIKE THIS, FAR TOUGHER ON
MIGRATION THAN THE
PRIME MINISTER OF THE U.K.
ABSOLUTELY.
I THINK THERESA MAY HAS BEEN
NOTHING BUT A DISAPPOINTMENT TO
SO MANY OF US BECAUSE SHE SEEMS
TO BE A MASSIVE APPEASER. H
THE MORE THAT WE GET ATTACKED,
THE MORE THAT WE ARE THREATENED
BY THE PEOPLE SHE WELCOMED TO
OUR COUNTRY, THE MORE WE SEEM TO
PANDER TO THEM, AND THAT'S
CRAZY.
TO HEAR MACRON COMING BACK
REALLY STRONG IS A VERY POSITIVE
THING.
THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE COMING
OUT STRONG AS WELL WITH THE
ITALIAN ELECTIONS COMING UP ON
MARCH 4TH.
IT LOOKS LIKE THEY WILL GO
CENTER RIGHT, RIGHT WING AND OF
COURSE THE EASTERN EUROPEANS ARE
RISING UP AS WELL AND THEY ARE
SAYING NO MORE MIGRANTS.
WE'VE GOT POLAND, HUNGARY,
OTHERS ALL SAYING NO, WE WON'T
TAKE YOUR QUOTAS.
WE AREN'T TAKING ANYMORE PEOPLE
AND WE ARE REJECTING THE'T
MIGRANTS FROM OUR COUNTRY.
AND I THINK THAT GIVES US SOME
INDICATION THAT THE PEOPLE ARE
NOW SAYING WE DON'T WANT THESE
PEOPLE ANYMORE.
WE'VE JUST SEEN A REPORT OUT IN
GERMANY THAT SAYS THAT 90% OF
VIOLENT CRIME, AN UPTICK IN
VIOLENT CRIME, 90% IS COMMITTED
BY MIGRANTS.
AND THERE ARE SO MANY OF US THAT
ARE SAYING WE KNEW THIS ALL
ALONG.
WE DID TRY TO TELL YOU WHEN WE
SAID BACK IN 2015, STOP THE
BOAT.
WE SAID THAT FOR GOOD REASON.
I NEVER UNDERSTAND THAT JUST
BECAUSE WE ARE DOING BETTER THAN
ANOTHER COUNTRY, YOU JUST INVITE
YOURSELF OVER.
AS IF MY MOTHER IN LAW, FOR
EXAMPLE, LIKES TO COME OVER FOR
SUNDAY ROAST.
I DON'T INVITE HER ALL THE TIME
BECAUSE I DON'T WANT HER IN MY
HOUSE.
IN THE SAME WAY, JUST BECAUSE
PEOPLE WANT TO JOIN OUR COUNTRY,
WE DON'T HAVE TO ACCEPT THEM
JUST BECAUSE THEY WANT TO COME
BECAUSE WE ARE DOING RATHER
BETTER THAN THEY ARE.
I THINK IT'S OKAY TO REFUSE
PEOPLE AND IT'S OKAY TO SAY NO.
AND IF YOU ARE REALLY A MIGRANT
FLEEING FROM A COUNTRY, HOW IS
IT THAT YOU DECIDED TO LEAVE
YOUR WOMEN AND YOUR CHILDREN
BEHIND, IS IT REALLY
THAT SCARY THAT YOU LEFT THE
GIRLS AND YOU RANND AWAY?
THESE ARE ECONOMIC MIGRANTS.
WE ARE WITHIN OUR RIGHTS TO SAY
NO.
Tucker: I WANT TO WISH YOU
GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR
MOTHER-IN-LAW AND I HOPE SHE
DOESN'T WATCH FOX.
GREAT TO SEE YOU.
[LAUGHS]
THANK YOU.
Tucker: WE WILL BE RIGHT
BACK.
♪ ♪
Tucker: ONE NOTE BEFORE WE
GO TONIGHT.
MY COMMENTS DURING THE AIRCREW.
ON MY EARLIER STATEMENT LED SOME
VIEWERS TO BELIEVE THAT I DON'T
LOVE OPRAH WINFREY WITH MY WHOLE
HEART.
I APOLOGIZE.
IT'S NOT WHAT I INTENDED AT ALL.
I LOVE HER PROFOUNDLY.
THAT IS ABOUT IS FOR US TONIGHT.
TUNE IN EVERY NIGHT OR 8:00 TO